Squeezebox Touch Wifi Just... Disappeared

Hermitism wrote: »

@msg owns 43 Squeezeboxes. I would consider him a Squeezebox expert.

I demand a picture of all 43

It seems to me there are some connectivity diagnostics in the SBT menu but my memory needs refreshing. I use the ethernet cable in the hopes of getting better quality. I'll check mine out this weekend if I get a chance.

@stretchl have you tried rolling back the firmware? I run enhanced audio output (EAC) on all mine, which enables audio out through USB and usb and coax are up to 24/192. But it requires a slightly older firmware than the last one logitech released. Google it and it’s easily accessible.

Always helps to give as much info. as possible. What firmware are you running and what version of Logitech Media Server?

Did the internet company make any changes to your service?

Sorry guys, been a bit tied up this week. My first thought was firmware as well.

I think LMS automatically pushes out new firmware when LMS is updated. I don't recall whether LMS installs updates by default or only notifies. Mine is set to notify when LMS updates are available, and if I opt to install, or separately download and install, as mentioned, I believe the 43 SBTs get new firmware updates.

I was meaning to poke around some about this on the slimdevices forum, but haven't had a chance.

I was just loosely wondering if there might be a duplicate IP on your network causing the SBT to think wifi isn't available, but I've not seen anything to support this causing this sort of behavior. I agree, it does sound like the SBT isn't seeing the wifi hardware.

I agree with above recs on gathering the LMS and SBT versions.

Strange issue to start up out of the blue.

Mine is on:

LMS Ver. # 8.0.0 - 1605892076

Firmware # 7.8.0-r16754

I haven't updated either because, you know....if it ain't broke don't fix it

Firmware is updateable through the main menu on the SBT with my setup anyways. I would definitely do this through an ethernet cable which you should try anyways, if you haven't hooked the SBT up directly to your router yet.

To update LMS go to the LMS Control Panel on your computer and go to Advanced/Software Updates/Install Update

I am, as well. I'm really glad they do, and especially still with all of the streaming services. I use them daily, and I think this is mainly possible due to the developers leading the support community.

Haha, no I don't really have 43. I think I have 9 or 10. Only 5 are currently set up for use, and typically only 2 or 3 running. The others were for backups, testing convenience or planned systems for others. In one system, I replaced the SBT with a piCorePlayer - a Raspberry Pi based Squeezeplayer.

I use Orange Squeeze as the controller for Android, and iPeng for iOS. If I'm working on the computer, I have a dedicated, always-open browser window to LMS, with multiple tabs loaded for Home page, Spotty playlists, LMS playlusts, Local music folder store (flac, old mp3s), and the plug-in What Was That Tune for when I'm using streaming services, like the DI.FM stations/channels, or soma fm. The playback history is logged, and with WWTT, I can easily make notes of tracks I like, like new stuff I haven't heard before.

When I first got started in audio at this level, I found myself putting systems together for more spaces. At first it was just a couple of IOGEAR Bluetooth receivers, which worked pretty well, but then I got my first SBT, which, I think, was $300 new at the time? The SBT changed everything for me.

The main reason I bought other SBTs after the second one was the discovery that I could sync them for whole house music in all these different little systems I was obsessively cobbling together.

I find the internal DAC to work nicely, and the SBT also works well with external ones. I don't have any ultra high resolution media, and have found that one of my favorite combinations is the SBT with Schiit DACs. Even the delta-sigma DACs are pretty good, with their multibit ones a bit nicer. I've tried a few other DACs, nothing high end, and just settled on Schiit.

One of my favorite setups was a SBT with Schiit Modi and Audioengine HD3 speakers and sub for a desktop system. It was the first time I experienced disappearing speakers, and never again since.

Do you feel like there is something missing, or a sound characteristic you are looking for that has you thinking about going external?

Haha, it might!
Happens to me, as well.

Like most other owners here, these have been set it and forget it type devices for us all. Most of my use methods were established years ago during the obsessory. Or just some knowledge collected after troubleshooting an upgrade or a host OS issue.

I do thoroughly enjoy LMS and the SBT. I built most of the collection from previous owners moving to newer platforms. There's a running joke going that I would buy every used SBT listed, and wouldn't stop until I own every SBT on the planet. I missed a few

I'm curious to hear how your Wiim Pro Plus compares. I think someone else recently posted about this streamer. I took a quick look a while back. Looks like a nice option.

Yeah, unless there's some feature you want from newer versions. I typically try not to update firmware unless I need to. Every once in a while, I'll let it rip with LMS. I have had some issues a few times.

I wouldn't do it, though, without knowing the "last known good" specifics, and having access to the installers, and/or a system/folder and prefs backup.

@stretchl, if you don't have a backup set up for your Mac, Carbon Copy Cloner is really good. I think it's only $25. Time Machine works as well, I guess, but I've never used it. IIRC, there were some benefits to CCC that TM doesn't offer.

With a backup, you could easily revert.

stretchl wrote: »

I’m a little nervous about updating the LMS. The version I have is stable on my old (2011) Mac Pro. Don’t know if an update would be also.

But I might try.

Technically, you could make a Time Machine backup of your Mac — to an external disk for example. This should be pretty fast if you can use FireWire 800 (much more reliable and consistent maximum speeds than USB 2.0).

You can then disconnect the disk or disable Time Machine, and try the updates you’re thinking about. If it doesn’t work to your satisfaction, reconnect the external drive or reenable Time Machine, then reinstall MacOS using the backup.

It shouldn’t really be necessary to reinstall the OS, but it’s a good fail safe, if choosing a restore point from Time Machine doesn’t put things back the way you had them previously.

I’d give more detail if I could, but I’ve never actually had a reason to reinstall anything to a previous point in time, or restore the entire system.

Oh wow, that's interesting. Having had power supplies fail on other equipment before, I ordered a couple of spares for the SBTs from Digikey, or one of those sites, back during the obsessory phase.

I do have a couple of different upgraded power supplies, but I couldn't say whether they made any difference in my setups. I also do not have any of the SBT internal upgrades. Those were supposed to make a significant difference.

Anyway, each of the setups that have the better power supplies have all evolved since initially putting them in place, so it might be revealing to swap back to OE for a serious listen.

Re: consideration for your SBT's power supply - I hadn't considered the possibility of power having an effect on the ability to run Wi-Fi. I wonder if there's anything in the units's logs to indicate failure to power the Wi-Fi adapter, or any other system hints.

Interesting situation from a worky/troubleshooting perspective. At Nybratw, glad you're back in the music. I know it's silly, but I get a measure of anxiety when something's off with my systems.

In fact, lol, right now, my Spotty isn't working! It's saying something to do with the API key or something, so I probably just need to reenter stuff. Rarely have any issues. Might just update, like it's beenprompting me to do for weeks...