Who uses tone controls

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  • afterburntafterburnt Posts: 7,739
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    Thanks all this makes me feel good about ordering a piece that doesn’t have them.
    afterburnt wrote: »
    Have what?

    The first rule about tone controls is that you don't talk about tone controls.

    Using "tone controls" is like going to a fine restaurant and telling the chef to leave off one or more of the main ingredients in a signature dish.

    Actually, more like slathering ketchup over the dish. :#

    What if that dish is scrambled eggs?
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  • Tony MTony M Posts: 9,614
    I use them once in a while.

    If I do, it's not much.

    Listening to CDs, I also switch to "PURE" or "DIRECT" settings just to hear the short path some amps or receivers have. I think I hear a little difference from the reg. settings.

    Right now, I have a Yamaha C2 pre-amp with a Carver TFM35thx amp for one system. I might play with the bass options a little, rarely the treble.

    I like sound control. Always have. :p

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  • BlueBirdMusicBlueBirdMusic Registered User Posts: 1,370
    I was reading this article about Wilson Audio Pedestals and the first paragraph has an unexpected answer regarding tone controls.

    “Over the years, we’ve tried endless numbers of tweaks to get the most out of our components. Some work, others don’t, and some behave as un-wanted tone controls.”

    https://parttimeaudiophile.com/2020/09/26/wilson-audio-pedestal-review/amp/
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  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 26,932
    edited September 2020
    Does using a sub to assist the low end count? If so then I'm guilty.

    I don't think so -- and me, too. :|

    Actually, after more than six decades shufflin' around, I really don't begrudge anyone use of tone controls, or calibrated mics, REW and carefully crafted EQ curves, for that matter.
    I haven't personally felt the need for any for a long time -- but, that said, I do hear the siren song of DSP more than occasionally. :)

  • jdjohnjdjohn Posts: 1,780
    Sometimes with vintage stereo receivers, or integrated amps, using the tone controls is almost a necessity. I'm also not opposed to using the 'Loudness' button, especially at lower volumes. But with modern gear, not so much.
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  • afterburntafterburnt Posts: 7,739
    Needless to say: do what sounds good to you.
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  • afterburntafterburnt Posts: 7,739
    edited September 2020
    Now that I looked at my P5 I probably should dik around with the sub level controller I forgot it was there.

    No time or patience to do anything until the house AC/Heat is done, so much carp to get out of the way for therapist to work.
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  • erniejadeerniejade Posts: 5,472
    My den rig is KEF ls50w. It has adjustments for wall distance, bookshelf or stand . While it's not technically bass and treble tone controls, I consider it tone controls in the digital realm.

    In the livingroom rig, one reason why I kept the T+A was the loudness button and tone controls. 90% of the time i have the defeat on but , some older recordings are mastered poor. A quick hit of the loudness button or a slight adjustment and they are more listenable.
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  • afterburntafterburnt Posts: 7,739
    @erniejade never crossed my mind but I do have a few bad recordings of great music, maybe tone control will make them more...pleant?
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  • stevepstevep Posts: 177
    Guilty of using the 21 century equivalent, Audyssey XT32 :)
  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 26,932
    afterburnt wrote: »
    @erniejade never crossed my mind but I do have a few bad recordings of great music, maybe tone control will make them more...pleant?

    Whereas audiophiles treasure great recordings of bad music.
    (and tone controls cannot help)

    B)

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  • soundfreak1soundfreak1 Posts: 2,895
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  • GardenstaterGardenstater Posts: 1,640
    I've found that even cabling upgrades can be considered tone controls as far as the effect it has had on my system goes.
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  • audioluvraudioluvr Posts: 2,976
    I've found that even cabling upgrades can be considered tone controls as far as the effect it has had on my system goes.

    That's pretty much what I did. My B&K mono's are a little lacking in the treble but I really liked everything else about them so that's why I upgraded all my cables to the WW silver eclipses.
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  • Moose68BashMoose68Bash Posts: 3,742
    I attenuate the treble a bit on my preamp because my wife is far more sensitive than I to high frequency sounds. while I prefer to hear the full sound in the treble range, by making the high frequency sound more palatable to my wife, I can listen at higher volume levels than she would otherwise tolerate.
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  • afterburntafterburnt Posts: 7,739
    @Moose68Bash have you been around? Good to see you here!
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    I’m thinking you’ve reached the point where people are afraid to open your posts.

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  • afterburntafterburnt Posts: 7,739
    edited October 2020
    I do have some silver clad BJC's IC's to play around with on my Marantz/TT system before I resort to tone controls. I have the pure silvers from one of our dearly departed Polkies that I liked in the last set up plus a Schiit phonostage if need be. Forgive me for not remembering who it was that made them and who I got them from.
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  • tratlifftratliff Posts: 1,128
    I have them on my preamp. Don’t use them much but sometimes recordings are not great. It is actually one of the reasons I purchased my preamp. I felt that I could use them when needed and bypass them when not.
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  • vmaxervmaxer Posts: 4,851
    afterburnt wrote: »
    I do have some silver clad BJC's IC's to play around with on my Marantz/TT system before I resort to tone controls. I have the pure silvers from one of our dearly departed Polkies that I liked in the last set up plus a Schiit phonostage if need be. Forgive me for not remembering who it was that made them and who I got them from.

    Probably Ben Williams.
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  • afterburntafterburnt Posts: 7,739
    vmaxer wrote: »
    afterburnt wrote: »
    I do have some silver clad BJC's IC's to play around with on my Marantz/TT system before I resort to tone controls. I have the pure silvers from one of our dearly departed Polkies that I liked in the last set up plus a Schiit phonostage if need be. Forgive me for not remembering who it was that made them and who I got them from.

    Probably Ben Williams.

    I think so, thanks
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  • erniejadeerniejade Posts: 5,472
    afterburnt wrote: »
    @erniejade never crossed my mind but I do have a few bad recordings of great music, maybe tone control will make them more...pleasant?

    For me it does. Again most of the time they are defeated but on some stuff that I like to kick up the volume on that are not recorded that good, a push of the loudness or a quick turn of a knob helps make them more listenable to me. Granted the type of music is more crank it up and rip the knob off style of music not so much sit and listen to all the details stuff.

    The T+A integrated I am using actually has decent implementation of a loudness and tone controls. I have heard some preamps and integrated amps in the past that as soon as I turn the defeat button off or on, even if the controls are flat, I hear a difference as soon as its engaged. If it was a true flat, you should not hear a difference when the defeat button is pushed or not pushed when the bass and treble are set to flat. The Parasound P5 comes to mind and I did mention this in my review of it a few years ago.
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  • erniejadeerniejade Posts: 5,472
    afterburnt wrote: »
    I do have some silver clad BJC's IC's to play around with on my Marantz/TT system before I resort to tone controls. I have the pure silvers from one of our dearly departed Polkies that I liked in the last set up plus a Schiit phonostage if need be. Forgive me for not remembering who it was that made them and who I got them from.

    I believe I still have a few sets of Ben's silver IC's if you need more.
    Den: Lumin D1,Wireworld Silver Eclipse RCA, KEF LS50 Wireless, Velodyne SPL1200, Technics 1200, Denon DL160, Jolida D9,

    Living Room:,T+A PA 1530R,Wireworld Silver Eclipse SC, Tyler Highland H2, High Fidelity Reveal RCA, Innuos Zen MK3 , W4S recovery, LKS MH-da004,

    Have but haven't used in a while: LH Labs VI Dac, Cayin SCD50T, Grant Fidelity Tube Dac11,Aries Mini
  • joecoulsonjoecoulson Posts: 4,978
    edited October 2020
    erniejade wrote: »
    ...as soon as I turn the defeat button off or on, even if the controls are flat, I hear a difference as soon as its engaged. If it was a true flat, you should not hear a difference when the defeat button is pushed or not pushed when the bass and treble are set to flat....

    Brian, love you pal but would like to present an alternate thought.
    The nature of the tone control circuit should actually have an effect when engaged even if all controls are flat. That’s why there is a kill button on most preamps/integrateds that do have the tone controls, otherwise there would be no need for the defeat button?
  • erniejadeerniejade Posts: 5,472
    Joe, I agree and disagree at the same time. If the center was a true flat at 0 and the circuit was designed right, in my opinion you should not be able to tell if the defeat button is on or off at the center flat position. My old McIntosh Integrated amp all 3 McIntosh Preamp's and my old Adcom, GFP565 I have owned in the past if everything was center, I could not tell if the tone defeat was on or off. A good tone control should not add or change anything at center.

    It was my understanding the reason for the defeat button was to put it into a direct mode like pure direct in a HT receiver. To take that circuit out of the picture. If that circuit adds something to the sound in the flat position, to me there is a design flaw in that circuit. So I do agree with you, there should not be a need for the defeat if it truly disengaged at 0 or flat.

    BTW it was not a knock on the P5. I enjoyed my time with it and I really like the bass management on it for 2 channel and I thought it had a very nice sound to it. I chose it over the Emo I was putting it up against in the same price range.


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  • machonemachone Posts: 1,291
    Don't have any tone controls.
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  • joecoulsonjoecoulson Posts: 4,978
    Brian, I totally know it wasn’t a knock at all, and I do see your point.
  • afterburntafterburnt Posts: 7,739
    erniejade wrote: »
    afterburnt wrote: »
    I do have some silver clad BJC's IC's to play around with on my Marantz/TT system before I resort to tone controls. I have the pure silvers from one of our dearly departed Polkies that I liked in the last set up plus a Schiit phonostage if need be. Forgive me for not remembering who it was that made them and who I got them from.

    I believe I still have a few sets of Ben's silver IC's if you need more.

    @erniejade Thanks! I will let you know.
    rpf65 wrote: »
    I’m thinking you’ve reached the point where people are afraid to open your posts.

    I disabled, I am the South Carolina woman who gouged her eyes out on meth.
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