Scary virus outbreak in China

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  • BlueFoxBlueFox Posts: 13,424
    F1nut wrote: »
    The sky is falling....the sky is falling...

    Great. If it isn’t one thing then it’s something else.

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  • daddyjtdaddyjt Posts: 1,494
    F1nut wrote: »
    The sky is falling....the sky is falling...

    Good. Maybe it will knock the stupid out of people.
  • treitz3treitz3 Posts: 14,617
    Doubt it. Doom and gloom seems to be an additive drug 'round here.

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  • tonybtonyb Posts: 32,454
    Isn't that how it always goes ? Ya cry wolf one too many times then when a real one shows up....your toast.

    Don't get me wrong, there are legitimate steps that need to be taken, and we are doing them as best we can, but it's no global world ender. Zombies aren't going to rule the world. :)
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  • GardenstaterGardenstater Posts: 1,011
    We've totally dropped the ball on distributing test kits, and we have a lot of catching up to do to the rest of the world. Yay CDC !! Even South Korea kicked our butts.

    https://www.aol.com/article/news/2020/03/06/the-us-has-the-worlds-highest-coronavirus-death-rate-at-more-than-5-a-number-that-reflects-the-countrys-lack-of-testing/23941708/

    'Other countries are testing much more broadly than we are'
    Because flawed tests and limited funding initially meant testing capacity in the U.S. was restricted, the CDC had tested only about 470 people in the US as of Sunday, according to the agency's official count. The CDC has since removed those testing numbers from its website, however. Alex Azar, the US secretary of health and human services, told ABC on Sunday that 3,600 Americans had been tested.

    South Korea, by contrast, has implemented free coronavirus-testing drive-thrus and tested more than 136,000 people. The country's death rate is currently just 0.5% — 35 deaths out of a total of 6,088 reported infections. (It is constantly evolving, however, as patients' illnesses progress and as more people are diagnosed.)

    "Other countries are testing much more broadly than we are," William Schaffner, an infectious-disease specialist at the Vanderbilt University School of Medicine, previously told Business Insider. "We are trotting along while they're racing along."
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  • GardenstaterGardenstater Posts: 1,011
    We have totally dropped the ball on distributing test kits and the CDC is largely to blame. We have a lot of catching up to do, to the rest of the world.

    https://www.aol.com/article/news/2020/03/06/the-us-has-the-worlds-highest-coronavirus-death-rate-at-more-than-5-a-number-that-reflects-the-countrys-lack-of-testing/23941708/

    'Other countries are testing much more broadly than we are'
    Because flawed tests and limited funding initially meant testing capacity in the U.S. was restricted, the CDC had tested only about 470 people in the US as of Sunday, according to the agency's official count. The CDC has since removed those testing numbers from its website, however. Alex Azar, the US secretary of health and human services, told ABC on Sunday that 3,600 Americans had been tested.

    South Korea, by contrast, has implemented free coronavirus-testing drive-thrus and tested more than 136,000 people. The country's death rate is currently just 0.5% — 35 deaths out of a total of 6,088 reported infections. (It is constantly evolving, however, as patients' illnesses progress and as more people are diagnosed.)

    "Other countries are testing much more broadly than we are," William Schaffner, an infectious-disease specialist at the Vanderbilt University School of Medicine, previously told Business Insider. "We are trotting along while they're racing along."
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  • GardenstaterGardenstater Posts: 1,011
    Don't try to edit a post that you have JUST made. Vanilla will actually make the whole post go POOF. I've had this happen to me several times now.
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  • tonybtonyb Posts: 32,454
    edited March 6
    Someone straighten me out on these test kits. What exactly are they ? As far as I can tell, the test is similar to the flu.....you take a swab of the throat or mucus and send it to a lab. What "kit" is needed for that ?

    I don't think they have the lab personnel to do all these tests to be honest, along with all the other tests labs have to perform.
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  • GardenstaterGardenstater Posts: 1,011
    It's a PCR test. Polymerase Chain Reaction. It identifies strands of DNA unique to the particular virus.
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  • CoolJazzCoolJazz Posts: 554
    I got a really bad check cold and cough last week and the week before. Couldn't hardly sleep at night for all the coughing. Bad. Went on for a lot of days and just now mostly over it. Still a little bit in my lungs that works me over a bit in the mornings.

    I was nervous about it due to the timing and afraid even though I hadn't been anywhere but work that it might somehow be Corona 19. Turned out to just be Bud Light 12. So I think I'm going to be ok...

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  • la2vegasla2vegas Posts: 4,249
    edited March 6
    I went through something similar a couple of weeks ago. I went to the hospital for an appointment regarding my gout, however they put one of those cough masks on me and started to ask me a few questions with regards to traveling abroad. All this because I had a cold.

    I told them that I had not visited China however I had some Chinese food a few days earlier. :D
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  • audioluvraudioluvr Posts: 2,279
    What's wrong with drinking water from the tap? It didn't come from China. If it tastes funny, get a Brita water filter or something. Bottled water is a terrible idea. For all we know the Corona virus was created by the bottled water industry... ;)
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  • la2vegasla2vegas Posts: 4,249
    audioluvr wrote: »
    What's wrong with drinking water from the tap? It didn't come from China. If it tastes funny, get a Brita water filter or something. Bottled water is a terrible idea. For all we know the Corona virus was created by the bottled water industry... ;)

    In California NOBODY drinks water from the tap. Period.
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  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 8,122
    la2vegas wrote: »
    In California NOBODY drinks water from the tap. Period.

    I have been drinking California tap water for the past 15 years, I just use a simple PUR brand charcoal filter.
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 32,454
    edited March 6
    It's a PCR test. Polymerase Chain Reaction. It identifies strands of DNA unique to the particular virus.

    This is done in a lab, not the screening process. I still don't see what special test kit is needed because the lab has the equipment to go through the process described. So you can screen , take samples from 10k people, send it to the lab. Who's running all these tests, which takes some time ? I think that is where the bottleneck is. I'm not seeing any special piece of equipment needed or special kit because a lab has all this stuff to begin with. Plus, I'm not so sure other countries are identifying it correctly if they can cruise through thousands in a more timely fashion than we can.

    https://www.medicinenet.com/pcr_polymerase_chain_reaction/article.htm#what_is_pcr_polymerase_chain_reaction
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  • BlueFoxBlueFox Posts: 13,424
    In California NOBODY drinks water from the tap. Period.

    I do. All day, every day.
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  • pitdogg2pitdogg2 Posts: 16,565
    edited March 6
    Single serving bottled water containers should be illegal

    The funny thing is most all bottled water is nothing more than municipal water ran through a post treatment carbon filter IF that.

    The amount of throw away plastics unnecessarily used in the last 30 yrs is astounding. Between just the water bottles and those K-cup or whatever they are called is ridiculous.

    my .02
  • GardenstaterGardenstater Posts: 1,011
    edited March 6
    tonyb wrote: »
    It's a PCR test. Polymerase Chain Reaction. It identifies strands of DNA unique to the particular virus.

    This is done in a lab, not the screening process. I still don't see what special test kit is needed because the lab has the equipment to go through the process described. So you can screen , take samples from 10k people, send it to the lab. Who's running all these tests, which takes some time ? I think that is where the bottleneck is. I'm not seeing any special piece of equipment needed or special kit because a lab has all this stuff to begin with. Plus, I'm not so sure other countries are identifying it correctly if they can cruise through thousands in a more timely fashion than we can.

    https://www.medicinenet.com/pcr_polymerase_chain_reaction/article.htm#what_is_pcr_polymerase_chain_reaction

    If you zoom in on the image below you can see that it says RT-PCR Panel (RUO). Labs may be able to do it, but until recently they did not have the legal authorization from the FDA to do so. That was just fast tracked through to cut through that red tape. As of today, Quest Diagnostics is allowed to do the testing, and probably others as well. I don't know what is this screening process you are referring to. This is the only way to test for coronavirus.

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  • GardenstaterGardenstater Posts: 1,011
    The CDC bungled the distribution of the tests for a month and many of the kits they sent out had one of the reagents that was faulty. They didn't allow commercial labs to develop their own tests and made everyone wait for limited distribution of ones that turned out to be faulty. They didn't accept any tests from WHO also.
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  • BlueFoxBlueFox Posts: 13,424
    Do the tests require blood to be drawn?
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  • GardenstaterGardenstater Posts: 1,011
    edited March 6
    No I don't think so. I think it's a mouth swab that is done, but then it requires a special instrument (Applied Biosystems 7500 Fast DX Real-Time PCR Instrument with SDS 1.4 software) to run the test. I should've said that they are working on a serology (blood) test but that will only show the antibodies, not the actual virus like a PCR test does.
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  • WillowWillow Posts: 10,112
    BlueFox wrote: »
    In California NOBODY drinks water from the tap. Period.

    I do. All day, every day.

    and you are worried about this virus?
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  • tonybtonyb Posts: 32,454
    I saw the pic of that test kit, what does it look like to you. To me, it looks like 3 well sealed vials to put specimens in. That's a kit ? The process to test happens in the lab, not in these vials.

    I do admit though, the CDC screwed up demanding their own test kit instead of accepting the WHO one. Which I don't get if they are just vials like it appears to be.
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  • treitz3treitz3 Posts: 14,617
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  • GardenstaterGardenstater Posts: 1,011
    tonyb wrote: »
    I saw the pic of that test kit, what does it look like to you. To me, it looks like 3 well sealed vials to put specimens in. That's a kit ? The process to test happens in the lab, not in these vials.

    I do admit though, the CDC screwed up demanding their own test kit instead of accepting the WHO one. Which I don't get if they are just vials like it appears to be.

    Well are you knowledgeable about laboratory viral testing? Cause I sure as heck am not. What looks like an empty vial isn't necessarily empty, but I believe the 4 (not 3) vials are assay controls that contain certain reagents necessary to do the test in the way the CDC has approved. You also need the special equipment and software to do the test. Here's the instructions if you want to wade through it:

    https://www.fda.gov/media/134922/download
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