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Black Stellar Gain Cell DAC + 2 M700s $2500
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Not to go all Cliff Clavin on youmhardy6647 wrote: »Interesting set of Bertagni speakers. 3 hundie!

https://detroit.craigslist.org/okl/ele/d/highland-very-rare-1975-geostatic/6970254239.html
They are interesting but they don't sound great IME/IMO (and FWIW, whilst I am slinging hip, happenin' web abbreviations...).
YMMV, of course.
I read that they had some sort of foam material for the drivers?
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but...
I believe that the drivers are foam -- unless I am confused (which is always possible) they're essentially an early implementation of the 'tactile transducers' or 'exicters'*; in this case, exciting a foam board.
I believe (!?!) the Bertagni transducers are a lot like the "polyplanar" drivers sold by LRE (e.g.,) in the early 1970s.
source: https://www.americanradiohistory.com/Archive-Catalogs/Consumer/Lafayette-1972.pdf
It was a thing in the early 1970s. It didn't quite catch on -- well, except that in recent years, it has sort of come back (with those aforementioned 'exciters').
There is nothing new under the sun.
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* see, e.g., https://www.parts-express.com/cat/exciters-tactile-transducers/18
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There were also, in the mid/late 1960s, a flurry
of normal cone-type speaker drivers manufactured with styrofoam cones. EV was, fairly briefly, infatuated with foam cones.
I haven't had enough ears-on experience with them to have a strong opinion, but it's safe to say that these didn't catch on either 
This was one approach to strong, stiff, light materials to make 'truly' pistonic driver (mostly woofer) cones -- in the days before easy availability of today's fashionable paper alternatives for speaker cones (Kevlar, carbon fiber, various flavors of plastics, etc.).
I don't know if the foam cones have as horrific out-of-band frequency response anomalies (breakup modes) as today's wonder materials

1960s Electrovoice 12" foam cone woofer as used in their Regal 400 loudspeaker system. Note that hard plastic dustcap, too! Borrowed image.
... and here's a 12" coax, made by EV for Allied Radio Corp in the early 1960s, featuring a foam bass driver cone

source: http://www.alliedcatalogs.com/html/1962-210/hr020.html
Y'all needed to know this!
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Polk LSiM 704c still sealed in box for $450.

[Obviously a stock pic]
https://nashville.craigslist.org/ele/d/polk-audio-lsim-704c-center-channel/6949285486.html"This may not matter to you, but it does to me for various reasons, many of them illogical or irrational, but the vinyl hobby is not really logical or rational..." - member on Vinyl Engine
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Those were recently on closeout for $200 and the larger 706c for $350.Polk LSiM 704c still sealed in box for $450.
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mhardy6647 wrote: »There were also, in the mid/late 1960s, a flurry
of normal cone-type speaker drivers manufactured with styrofoam cones. EV was, fairly briefly, infatuated with foam cones.
I haven't had enough ears-on experience with them to have a strong opinion, but it's safe to say that these didn't catch on either 
This was one approach to strong, stiff, light materials to make 'truly' pistonic driver (mostly woofer) cones -- in the days before easy availability of today's fashionable paper alternatives for speaker cones (Kevlar, carbon fiber, various flavors of plastics, etc.).
I don't know if the foam cones have as horrific out-of-band frequency response anomalies (breakup modes) as today's wonder materials

1960s Electrovoice 12" foam cone woofer as used in their Regal 400 loudspeaker system. Note that hard plastic dustcap, too! Borrowed image.
... and here's a 12" coax, made by EV for Allied Radio Corp in the early 1960s, featuring a foam bass driver cone

source: http://www.alliedcatalogs.com/html/1962-210/hr020.html
Y'all needed to know this!
Interesting history on foam Doc! Is there anything you don't know about speakers?
Hmmm, IMO foam seems to be, at least in my biz, not the right material if you're trying to control bending stiffness. Yeah you can re-formulate it, add fibers, etc, to stiffen it up, but seems to me there were better materials to start with.Basement: Polk SDA SRS 1.2tl's, Cary SLP-05 Pre with ultimate upgrade,McIntosh MCD301 CD/SACD player, Northstar Designs Excelsio DAC, Cambridge 851N streamer, McIntosh MC300 Amp, Silnote Morpheus Ref2, Series2 Digital Cables, Silnote Morpheus Ref2 Series2 XLR's, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Pangea Power Cables, MIT Shotgun S3 IC's, MIT Shotgun S1 Bi-Wire speaker cables
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I... I don't know....
Interesting history on foam Doc! Is there anything you don't know about speakers?
Hmmm, IMO foam seems to be, at least in my biz, not the right material if you're trying to control bending stiffness. Yeah you can re-formulate it, add fibers, etc, to stiffen it up, but seems to me there were better materials to start with.
I reckon that's true, and I further reckon why we don't see many foam coned drivers any more... and I even still further reckon why the Bertagni/Fisher speakers I've heard were... well... not so great.
EDIT: Oh, did anyone mention that Fisher sold some speakers using the Bertagni panels for a while? :P
http://www.antiqueradio.com/vintage audio/fisher sound panel article 102017.pdf
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Phase Tech used styrofoam like drivers in the 80's
Whatcha talking about?
OH WAIT.... you meant like this????

"....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963) -
hey -- someone else used PRs kinda sorta like that for a while in the late '70s/early 80s.

DSC_1150 by Mark Hardy, on Flickr
I think that's more like foamed polyurethane than Styrofoam (foamed polystyrene) though.
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EndersShadow wrote: »
Is that active or passive? My friend had an active woofer pull the voice coil leads through the foam...
Active."....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963) -
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EndersShadow wrote: »
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"....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963)
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Well I've never seen one of these. Retro, pretty cool, IMO, and Pioneer!


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Living Room: Peachtree Nova Integrated, Cambridge CXN v2 Streamer, Rotel RCD-1072 CD player, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Polk RT265 In Wall Speakers, Polk DSW Pro 660wi sub
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Garage #2: Cambridge Audio EVO150 Integrated Amplifier, Polk L200's, Analysis Plus Silver Oval 2 Speaker Cables, IC's TBD. -
Well I've never seen one of these. Retro, pretty cool, IMO, and Pioneer!


https://detroit.craigslist.org/okl/ele/d/farmington-pioneer-jt-215a-digital/6983570603.html
that's adorbs -- the one I have is "Fluroscan" digital

(borrowed stock photo from hifiengine -- the one here's pretty similar... I don't think I've ever actually plugged it in, come to think of it)
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Of course you have one! I should've known!
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Getting some play Doc. 10 watchers!

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Pioneer-Model-DT-400-Digital-Timer-Made-in-Japan/223622179540?epid=1501378899&hash=item3410ebaad4:g:4XoAAOSw~oldUpiCBasement: Polk SDA SRS 1.2tl's, Cary SLP-05 Pre with ultimate upgrade,McIntosh MCD301 CD/SACD player, Northstar Designs Excelsio DAC, Cambridge 851N streamer, McIntosh MC300 Amp, Silnote Morpheus Ref2, Series2 Digital Cables, Silnote Morpheus Ref2 Series2 XLR's, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Pangea Power Cables, MIT Shotgun S3 IC's, MIT Shotgun S1 Bi-Wire speaker cables
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From my dad's garage:

IIRC, these only accept NON-polar two-prong plugs
Back-in-the-day, I suppose these were helpful when audiophiles passed-out fell asleep on the couch during critical listening sessions.
Btw: I am accepting offers on these beauties
Karma, anyone??? "This may not matter to you, but it does to me for various reasons, many of them illogical or irrational, but the vinyl hobby is not really logical or rational..." - member on Vinyl Engine
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New Definitive Technology BP9080 - $300 single speaker ($1749 retail)
https://toledo.craigslist.org/ele/d/toledo-definitive-technology-bp9080/6983709152.html
No affiliation but the guy said that he purchased a set from Best Buy and had a problem with one of them and though it was DOA. He complained to Definitive and a new one was sent...now he has three of them. As it turns out, he had something connected wrong and the speaker is fine. So he is selling the new in-box one for $300!
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Nice VPI HW-19 mk3 TT. No affiliation. 5 hundie.

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Wow...that is sexy in a very simplistic way.Nice VPI HW-19 mk3 TT. No affiliation. 5 hundie.
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Yeah, that's a pretty pricey unit, that would have been the right thing to do.nooshinjohn wrote: »Love his integrity.... he should at least return it to Best Buy.
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5.2 A/V Setup | OLED TV - Sony Bravia XR A80J 77" | Source - Fire TV 4K Max, Wiim Pro | AVR - Anthem MRX 520 | Integrated - Musical Fidelity A5 | Speakers: Main - Boston Acoustics VS 336 | Center - Boston Acoustics VS 325c | Rear - Boston Acoustics VR-MX | Sub 1 - Boston Acoustics VPS 210 | Sub 2 - HSU VTF-2 mk3 -
I guess he did call Def Tech and they told him to just keep it.
Yeah, that's a pretty pricey unit, that would have been the right thing to do.nooshinjohn wrote: »Love his integrity.... he should at least return it to Best Buy.
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I guess he did call Def Tech and they told him to just keep it.
Yeah, that's a pretty pricey unit, that would have been the right thing to do.nooshinjohn wrote: »Love his integrity.... he should at least return it to Best Buy.
I’ve had similar happen. Received the wrong item, seller just told me to keep it!
Our faith in mankind has been restored!
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Spare Room: Dayens Ampino Integrated Amp, Tjoeb 99 tube CD player (modified Marantz CD-38), Analysis Plus Oval 9's, Zu Jumpers, AudioEngine B1 Streamer, Klipsch RB-61 v2, SVS PB1000 sub, Blue Jeans RCA IC's, Shunyata Hydra 8 Power Conditioner
Living Room: Peachtree Nova Integrated, Cambridge CXN v2 Streamer, Rotel RCD-1072 CD player, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Polk RT265 In Wall Speakers, Polk DSW Pro 660wi sub
Garage #1: Cambridge Audio 640A Integrated Amp, Project Box-E BT Streamer, Polk Tsi200 Bookies, Douglas Speaker Cables, Shunyata Power Conditioner
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That VPI is a NICE table. I had a MKIV.......if you are into tweaking, the sky is the limit with those. They tend to have a warmer, more rounded sound than the Scouts but, that's a nice piece of kit......
500 bucks ain't cheap but for that level of table....while I don't know what the market is on them....you get a lot of great sound.
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