Polymeric Sand
saturn1
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Sorry to repost this, but I just realized that I had posted my question within a thread from 2017.
I bought the TransDeco speaker stands for the 703s. For now, I am using the little rubber isolation pads for the placement of the speaker on the top plate, but later I might add some blue tack to secure it a little better. I would like to add further weight to the base, but preserve the wire management capabilities of the stand. Has anyone ever tried using polymeric sand to fill the posts. It should harden and dry out after a while. I was thinking of inserting a small diameter conduit (e.g. PVC pipe) that exits the top and bottom holes and pouring polymeric sand around it.
Is that a bad idea?
I bought the TransDeco speaker stands for the 703s. For now, I am using the little rubber isolation pads for the placement of the speaker on the top plate, but later I might add some blue tack to secure it a little better. I would like to add further weight to the base, but preserve the wire management capabilities of the stand. Has anyone ever tried using polymeric sand to fill the posts. It should harden and dry out after a while. I was thinking of inserting a small diameter conduit (e.g. PVC pipe) that exits the top and bottom holes and pouring polymeric sand around it.
Is that a bad idea?
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Sorry to repost this, but I just realized that I had posted my question within a thread from 2017.
I bought the TransDeco speaker stands for the 703s. For now, I am using the little rubber isolation pads for the placement of the speaker on the top plate, but later I might add some blue tack to secure it a little better. I would like to add further weight to the base, but preserve the wire management capabilities of the stand. Has anyone ever tried using polymeric sand to fill the posts. It should harden and dry out after a while. I was thinking of inserting a small diameter conduit (e.g. PVC pipe) that exits the top and bottom holes and pouring polymeric sand around it.
Is that a bad idea?
Only if you want to pour the sand out later. Many here use lead shot for adding weight.The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, TriangleArt Reference SE with Pass Labs Xono Phono Preamp, Walker Precision Motor Drive, ClearAudio Goldfinger Statement V2 cartridge and Origin Conqueror Mk3c tonearm, Polk Audio "Signature" Reference Series 1.2TL with complete mods, Pass Labs X0.2 three chassis preamp, PS Audio PerfectWave DAC MkII, Pioneer Elite SC-LX701, Oppo UDP-205 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds.
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Weren't you using some military surplus depleted uranium?nooshinjohn wrote: »
Only if you want to pour the sand out later. Many here use lead shot for adding weight.
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Buy a decent sized speaker that doesn’t require a stand, and the question becomes moot. I never understood the idea of little speakers on stands since they use as much room as a full size speaker.Lumin X1 file player
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They tend to image better.Political Correctness'.........defined
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I never understood the idea of little speakers on stands since they use as much room as a full size speaker.
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Okay. What does that have to do with listening to your stereo?
Lumin X1 file player
Sony XA-5400ES SACD
Pass XP-22 pre, X600.5 amps
Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers, SPOD spikes
Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on source, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables
Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
Three 20 amp circuits. -
And of course roon size comes to mind. I could never go back to smaller pole riders but both rooms where my rigs are aren't exactly small. If they were my towers would be totally overkill so pole riders it would be and stands as heavy as possible."if it's not fun, it's not worth it & remember folks, "It's All About The Music"!!
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They are doing OK on the stands without any added weight. The bookshelf speakers are a lot easier to position than the 707s. Those weigh close to 100 lbs. I do see your point Blue Fox, I am trying to figure out a way of positioning the 703s without using the stands. I'll probably have to build some kind of shelf, but I don't have the time right now. My house is a mess of speaker wire and boxes.
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Easy-peasy. It's hard to bring a big pair of floorstanding speakers home from the dealer in a small sports car. Unless you have a trailer for it.
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If your car size determines your home stereo then you have bigger problems than what can fit in your car.Lumin X1 file player
Sony XA-5400ES SACD
Pass XP-22 pre, X600.5 amps
Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers, SPOD spikes
Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on source, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables
Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
Three 20 amp circuits. -
Buy a decent sized speaker that doesn’t require a stand, and the question becomes moot. I never understood the idea of little speakers on stands since they use as much room as a full size speaker.
For me, they do take just as much space (In fact, the base of my stands are bigger than my LSis were), but because the stands are thinner than a floor-standing speaker and the speaker on top is smaller, my room feels much more open. They aren't quite as dominating the room. All my floor-standing speakers demanded the attention of the room, whereas standmounts don't seem to stand out (No pun intended ) nearly as much. IMO and FWIW 
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If your car size determines your home stereo then you have bigger problems than what can fit in your car.
I went on foot to buy mine
Kidding btwTV room- B&W 703, SVS PB10 NSD, Marantz NR1607, Parasound 1500a, Pro-Ject Debut Carbon (Yellow) with Acrylic platter, Pro-Ject phono pre, MIT AVT 2 speaker cables, MIT AVT 1 and AVT 2 ICs, XLO Jumpers, Signal Dig Coax, Signal Cable Magic Power Cables x3, Samsung QN75Q7DR Qled 75" tv, Harmony 1100, Sony BDP-S6200, Marantz DV-4200 (as Transport), Cambridge Audio DAC Magic100, Monster 3600MKII, Nintendo Switch and Xbox 360 Family room Samsung 55JS7000 Android Mi Box3 and Apple TV, Polk Magnifi Max. - Pool /Gazebo Yamaha RX-A1010, Polk Patio 25x4, Rotel RDV 1045 (as CDP) MIT AVT3 ICs - Work - Spotify Premium, Neutron App or Amazon Music to my FiiO Kunlun into my Grado SR125e -
Brought my first set of SRS 1.2TL's home on a bicycle. The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, TriangleArt Reference SE with Pass Labs Xono Phono Preamp, Walker Precision Motor Drive, ClearAudio Goldfinger Statement V2 cartridge and Origin Conqueror Mk3c tonearm, Polk Audio "Signature" Reference Series 1.2TL with complete mods, Pass Labs X0.2 three chassis preamp, PS Audio PerfectWave DAC MkII, Pioneer Elite SC-LX701, Oppo UDP-205 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds.
“Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book has been rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered…History has stopped. Nothing exists except the endless present in which the party is always right” — George Orwell
“If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.” -
Mainly has to do with what I like. I own both, but, prefer the monitors for imaging. -
nooshinjohn wrote: »Brought my first set of SRS 1.2TL's home on a bicycle.
Uphill. In the snow. Both ways.
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nooshinjohn wrote: »Brought my first set of SRS 1.2TL's home on a bicycle.
Uphill. In the snow. Both ways.
How did you know.
The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, TriangleArt Reference SE with Pass Labs Xono Phono Preamp, Walker Precision Motor Drive, ClearAudio Goldfinger Statement V2 cartridge and Origin Conqueror Mk3c tonearm, Polk Audio "Signature" Reference Series 1.2TL with complete mods, Pass Labs X0.2 three chassis preamp, PS Audio PerfectWave DAC MkII, Pioneer Elite SC-LX701, Oppo UDP-205 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds.
“Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book has been rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered…History has stopped. Nothing exists except the endless present in which the party is always right” — George Orwell
“If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.” -
I guess I am the lucky one, I just slid my 2.3's side by side into the back of my excursion, out on to a refrigerator dolly and into the house. Had the set up (in 10 minutes) for the day and then the wife saw them. There were tears but the speakers are still here, the wife too.
That being said, I do like the idea of some modded LSi9's (they can sound amazing)________________
2 Channel-Denon AVR-4520/SDA 2.3TL's
5.1-Denon AVR-4500h/RT3000P's/CS1000P/RT2000P's/ -
Sand does work well. I have my Eclipse TD712z Mk1 stands filled with sand. Adds weight and deadens any resonance.
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I believe a combination of lead shot and sand would be very good. The lead shot adds more mass and the smaller particle size of the sand is better for occupying the voids. There are also theories regarding the dissipation of sound energy transmission to and from the floor by the friction of sand particles rubbing against each other.
There's no question that small speakers up near listening level on minimal (skinny) stands do image better, especially when they are brought forward into the room from the rear wall.George / NJ
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Buy a decent sized speaker which doesn't require a stand.
