Starting over with Polk RTiA9 Tower Speakers

TLovesTunesTLovesTunes Posts: 18
edited February 13 in Troubleshooting
Hey all. So my ex was a huge audiofile to put it mildly. He had Paradigms, then Avantgards which were heaven, but that's way out of my budget. So I just bought two Polk RTiA9s and I'm
a bit embarrassed to admit I have no idea what else I need for these. I'm all about sound quality and clarity, but not loud volume necessarily. Thanks in advance.
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  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 41,567
    edited February 13
    You will need a powerful integrated amp or separate pre amp and power amp to properly drive them. Your choice should have a sound signature on the warm side of neutral as the top end of those speakers is on the bright side. What is your source, your cables, etc.?
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  • Thanks for your reply. I haven't bought cables yet. Wanted to make sure I was making the correct choices before getting anything, so open to suggestions on it all hehe thanks
  • So as a starting point, I've been reading a lot of discussions and want to better know my options. What would you guys recommend as best fit for RTiA9's if money were not part of the criteria. Best setup. From what I've been reading, it sounds like Pioneer SC-63 or MARANTZ SR5011 with Parasound 1200 or 1500 and Blue jeans or Douglass 10 gauge cables. Am I even close?
  • K_MK_M Posts: 1,309
    edited February 15

    Welcome to the forum!

    What is your intended usage?
    Music, only, or Movies and TV sound also?

    How big is your room?
    Is it acoustically dead, live or neutral.
    Do you intend on adding a sub to the mixture?
    Have you used subs in the past?

    The RtiA9's while having decent bass, are somewhat lacking in deep bass.
    That may or may not be important to you.

    As said above they are somewhat bright and the Monitor line is more neutral for sure.
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  • K_MK_M Posts: 1,309
    Lsi15, Lsi9, LsiC,Rta11t,M5jr+,M4,SDA 3.1TL, SDA SRS 2.3TL, Rti6....Still listing stuff, a work in progress.
    B+W-Sold
    Epos-Now gone
    Infinity-Sold
    Advent-Now gone
    Yamaha A-S801
    Yamaha RX-V377
    Yamaha RX-A860
    Yamaha RX-A3060
    Harman Kardon Hk-350i
    Harman Kardon Hk-........
    Harman Kardon PM-665
    Harman Kardon HK-775
    Pioneer.......Stereo Receiver

  • fastz28fastz28 Posts: 624
    If moneys a object get a carver m500t or a m1.5t amp and a c-1 pre amp
    and a cheap dac run music thru foobar. just set this up for friend with your speakers and sounds very good ,since you have speakers it shoud run $600.
    polk 10bs--- prodigy hd2 modded Burson Audio opamps
    dcm time windows ---- parasound pre amp
    TDQ-1600 Broadcast Reference Tuner -- yamaha cd s700
    yamaha px-3 zu 103 cat2 --- audioquest ic sidewinders
    carver 1.5t--- audioquest cv-8 speaker cables
    ps audio 200cx--- ps audio phono pre amp
    sunfire sig 625 audio research sp-14
    audio research dac 7 klipsch rf -7111
    music hall Ikura carver m500t mk2 modded
  • Tramsparent_Tramsparent_ Posts: 14
    edited February 15
    Yes, the RTi-A9 is a speaker that definitely leans toward the bright side. Mine were used with a newer mid-range Receiver, in a bright-room with speaker cables that (unfortunately) promoted highs.
    This combo proved to be a little to "sparkly" (go figure).
    I couldn't tame my particular combination with either acoustic tile nor toe-in/out adjustments.
    They are decent in the all-important mid-range.
    As far as bass production, the distance from the rear wall is important with them and you may be walking a tight-rope between satisfactory bass production and muddy bass.
    As mentioned, they DO require a fairly powerful amp and I found their sensitivity rating to be a little optimistic in the real world..
    If they are used in an acoustically dead room with an older/warmer receiver or amp and your main listening source is albums with a TT, cartridge and phono section that produce a warmer sound, they may be a perfect fit.
  • fastz28fastz28 Posts: 624
    to get these to realy open up you need watts 200 min per channel
    300 to 400 even better
    polk 10bs--- prodigy hd2 modded Burson Audio opamps
    dcm time windows ---- parasound pre amp
    TDQ-1600 Broadcast Reference Tuner -- yamaha cd s700
    yamaha px-3 zu 103 cat2 --- audioquest ic sidewinders
    carver 1.5t--- audioquest cv-8 speaker cables
    ps audio 200cx--- ps audio phono pre amp
    sunfire sig 625 audio research sp-14
    audio research dac 7 klipsch rf -7111
    music hall Ikura carver m500t mk2 modded
  • K_M Thanks for the reply!

    Intended usage is 50/50 music & TV sound

    I have an old converted hard loft with 18tft ceilings. Prolly 30X80ft for ground floor. Pretty cavernous space, so they'll be killer in there space wise.

    Acoustically live, aside from minimal furniture. Thinking if I've gone the distance to get the speakers I may as well get the SUB and do it right. I had a subs in the past, but I wasn't the one in charge of operating them, so now it's a bit of a learning curve for me. Wish I'd paid more attention in the past ;) Recommendations on SUBS?

    Regarding the RtiA9's lacking decent bass. I love the clarity and depth of range from good speakers. I'm not a huge fan of base. Plus I don't want to the neighbours losing it with me

    Not really sure I understand what neutral is yet? What are your recos for vs the Monitor line?

    Thanks in advance
  • fastz28 thanks for the reco. You did this whole setup, carver amp and all for $600?!!
  • HermitismHermitism Posts: 2,388
    edited February 15
    Not really sure I understand what neutral is yet?
    Sound ranges from warm<neutral>bright. Warm side of neutral (amp, cables) would compliment a bright speaker.

    Subs can get expensive, but SVS, HSU Research and Velodyne are recommended a lot here and are very good.

    Welcome to the forum!
    2.0/3.0 - Marantz: PM8005 w/HT Bypass, NA8005 | Polk: LSiM703, LSiM706c | PS Audio: Duet, Power Port Classic, PerfectWave AC5 x3 PC | Wireworld Equinox 7 IC | AudioPrism Quietline MkIII x7 | Sanus UF30 | OC703 Panels

    6.1 - Pioneer Elite SC-05 | Pio BDP-51FD | Polk: RTi8, CSi5, F/Xi3, CSi3 | HSU Research VTF-2 MK4 | PS Audio: Quintet, Power Port Classic | DCF124BW x3 SC | Pangea: AC-9SE x2, 14SE, 14 PC | AQ Chocolate x2 HDMI | M850SW | OC703 Panels
  • HermitismHermitism Posts: 2,388
    edited February 15
    So as a starting point, I've been reading a lot of discussions and want to better know my options. What would you guys recommend as best fit for RTiA9's if money were not part of the criteria. Best setup. From what I've been reading, it sounds like Pioneer SC-63 or MARANTZ SR5011 with Parasound 1200 or 1500 and Blue jeans or Douglass 10 gauge cables. Am I even close?
    Are you looking to buy new or used components? That Pioneer SC-63 that you mentioned is a 2012 model. I don't know much about the current lineup of Pioneer SC models, but the older models are highly regarded. I just want to mention one thing, since you mentioned the SC-63. The 2011-12 models (SC-55 to 68) have an issue with "UE22 Errors".

    Re: UE22 Error

    http://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-receivers-amps-processors/2066818-ue22-error-master-thread-pioneer-you-listening.html

    "After researching, analyzing, and hypothesizing the cause of the UE22 Error and through a diligent community effort here on AVSForum the cause of UE22 Error has been found. The root cause has been isolated to defective Texas Instruments DSP chips that globally affects all Pioneer and Pioneer Elite receivers manufactured in 2011/2012."
    2.0/3.0 - Marantz: PM8005 w/HT Bypass, NA8005 | Polk: LSiM703, LSiM706c | PS Audio: Duet, Power Port Classic, PerfectWave AC5 x3 PC | Wireworld Equinox 7 IC | AudioPrism Quietline MkIII x7 | Sanus UF30 | OC703 Panels

    6.1 - Pioneer Elite SC-05 | Pio BDP-51FD | Polk: RTi8, CSi5, F/Xi3, CSi3 | HSU Research VTF-2 MK4 | PS Audio: Quintet, Power Port Classic | DCF124BW x3 SC | Pangea: AC-9SE x2, 14SE, 14 PC | AQ Chocolate x2 HDMI | M850SW | OC703 Panels
  • Inspector 24Inspector 24 Posts: 1,109
    I think by lacking low bass they may mean in the sub 30hz region. With adequate power, 200wpc or more they have no problem making plenty of useable tight bass down to ~30hz as I’ve measured them in my room. No surprise as their stated lower -3db limit is 30hz, though in my experience they do fall of very quickly after that.

    If neighbors are a concern sub 30hz bass may not be that big of a deal anyway.

    Parasound amps are a great match to the RTi series. Lots of current for all those drivers and will tame the natural brightness/forwardness of the speakers.
    Down
    RTiA9 - CSiA6 - FXiA6 - Dual HSU VTF-15H Mk2
    Parasound HCA-3500 - HCA-2003A - Marantz SR7005
    Sim2 D60 - Dragonfly 106" Panny 500

    Up
    LSi15 LSiC - RX-V3000
  • Thanks all. I really appreciate your help! I'm not necessarily looking at used components, but I'm a firm believer that quality is quality and if I can get the best fit for the space and speakers for less, I'm all ears. Recos on receivers?
  • fastz28fastz28 Posts: 624
    edited February 15
    fastz28 thanks for the reco. You did this whole setup, carver amp and all for $600?!!

    $400 carver m1.5t $100 c-1 carver pre amp schiit modi $77

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/Schiit-Modi-USB-DAC-1st-Gen-in-excellent-condition/254051715227?hash=item3b26a9889b:g:-goAAOSwPYNcLi4F:rk:18:pf:0&LH_BIN=1
    polk 10bs--- prodigy hd2 modded Burson Audio opamps
    dcm time windows ---- parasound pre amp
    TDQ-1600 Broadcast Reference Tuner -- yamaha cd s700
    yamaha px-3 zu 103 cat2 --- audioquest ic sidewinders
    carver 1.5t--- audioquest cv-8 speaker cables
    ps audio 200cx--- ps audio phono pre amp
    sunfire sig 625 audio research sp-14
    audio research dac 7 klipsch rf -7111
    music hall Ikura carver m500t mk2 modded
  • fastz28fastz28 Posts: 624
    Thanks all. I really appreciate your help! I'm not necessarily looking at used components, but I'm a firm believer that quality is quality and if I can get the best fit for the space and speakers for less, I'm all ears. Recos on receivers?

    if you dont have min 200watts per channel on those speakers they will not sound that good needs watts and if you run one of those carver amps 350 watts per channel you wont need a sub. you can find those amps rebuilt for a little more coin
    polk 10bs--- prodigy hd2 modded Burson Audio opamps
    dcm time windows ---- parasound pre amp
    TDQ-1600 Broadcast Reference Tuner -- yamaha cd s700
    yamaha px-3 zu 103 cat2 --- audioquest ic sidewinders
    carver 1.5t--- audioquest cv-8 speaker cables
    ps audio 200cx--- ps audio phono pre amp
    sunfire sig 625 audio research sp-14
    audio research dac 7 klipsch rf -7111
    music hall Ikura carver m500t mk2 modded
  • fastz28fastz28 Posts: 624
    edited February 15
    carver and polk sound good together
    second on parasound good to.
    polk 10bs--- prodigy hd2 modded Burson Audio opamps
    dcm time windows ---- parasound pre amp
    TDQ-1600 Broadcast Reference Tuner -- yamaha cd s700
    yamaha px-3 zu 103 cat2 --- audioquest ic sidewinders
    carver 1.5t--- audioquest cv-8 speaker cables
    ps audio 200cx--- ps audio phono pre amp
    sunfire sig 625 audio research sp-14
    audio research dac 7 klipsch rf -7111
    music hall Ikura carver m500t mk2 modded
  • Thanks, I'll take a look for carvers and see what I can find.
  • Inspector 24Inspector 24 Posts: 1,109
    Marantz seem to be known for being a bit smoother, more musical which helps to further tame brightness.

    Haven't shopped for amps in a while...I got curious.

    More than enough power on the inexpensive side: https://www.audiogon.com/listings/lis9c5ec-parasound-hca-1200-ii-solid-state

    Newer:
    https://www.audiogon.com/listings/lis9c2a5-parasound-a-21-black-250w-into-8-solid-state

    More than enough for a full set of speakers:
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/PARASOUND-HCA-2205A-POWER-AMPLIFIER/163545796451?epid=117561038&hash=item261416cf63:g:R7kAAOSw6~pcP6CV:rk:1:pf:0
    Down
    RTiA9 - CSiA6 - FXiA6 - Dual HSU VTF-15H Mk2
    Parasound HCA-3500 - HCA-2003A - Marantz SR7005
    Sim2 D60 - Dragonfly 106" Panny 500

    Up
    LSi15 LSiC - RX-V3000
  • Inspector 24 haha thanks for the quick hunt this is very helpful.
  • rooftop59rooftop59 Posts: 5,365
    B&K also makes nice warm amps. A reference 200.2 would pair really nicely with those speakers.
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  • Hey guys, the Onkyo TX-RZ820 7.2 is on sale today. Would it be sufficient to power my RTiA9s? Thanks in advance.
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 6,472
    Jesse would say that no AVR is capable of properly driving them.
    • "Electronic music is human sound adapting to indulge technology, and for some, it feels like the signature sound of energy. New and abstract sounds over hypnotic rhythms can conjure vast soundscapes for escape, pleasure, and transcendence."
  • TLovesTunesTLovesTunes Posts: 18
    edited February 25
    Sorry it didn't refresh to show your reply. Although I'm not sure I understand what you mean.
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 6,472
    You will need a powerful integrated amp or separate pre amp and power amp to properly drive them.
    • "Electronic music is human sound adapting to indulge technology, and for some, it feels like the signature sound of energy. New and abstract sounds over hypnotic rhythms can conjure vast soundscapes for escape, pleasure, and transcendence."
  • I see. I think to previous suggestion, I may just take these back. I'm in over my head and the learning curve is too steep. Thanks for your reply.
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 6,472
    I disagree with you being in over your head. You're actually almost there, just a few more key steps and decisions to make.

    You mentioned 50/50 TV & music. Stereo, right?

    Going with a 7.2 surround sound receiver like that Onkyo would be a waste in that case.
    • "Electronic music is human sound adapting to indulge technology, and for some, it feels like the signature sound of energy. New and abstract sounds over hypnotic rhythms can conjure vast soundscapes for escape, pleasure, and transcendence."
  • I really want to keep them, I just feel like I'm going to have to buy everything brand new to get the right components. Older models for example could be an alternative if I knew which ones to shop for.

    Yes, 50/50 HD TV and music. Stereo yes.
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 6,472
    What is your music source? ex. CD, vinyl, etc.
    • "Electronic music is human sound adapting to indulge technology, and for some, it feels like the signature sound of energy. New and abstract sounds over hypnotic rhythms can conjure vast soundscapes for escape, pleasure, and transcendence."
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 6,472
    Also, what is your budget?
    • "Electronic music is human sound adapting to indulge technology, and for some, it feels like the signature sound of energy. New and abstract sounds over hypnotic rhythms can conjure vast soundscapes for escape, pleasure, and transcendence."
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