True story: How I brought up the idea of the subwoofer purchase to my wife

WLDock · January 4

Joey_V wrote: »

I agree WLD
I think I have wanted one for so long.
I think... no I know the performance can be beat with F18 stack.

All of these subs are awesome and get low!
Seaton Submersive F2 > -3dB at 12Hz
Paradigm SUB 2 > -3dB at 12Hz
Rythmik F18 > -2dB at 14 Hz
Rythmik G25HP > -2dB at 14 Hz
Velodyne DD18 Plus > -3dB at 14.4Hz
SVS SB16-Ultra > -3dB at 16Hz
JL Audio Fathom > -3dB at 18Hz
Rel No. 25 > -6dB at 14 Hz

Internet Direct
4 x HSU ULS-15 MK2 - $3310 shipped
2 x Rythmik Audio F18-SE - $3360 shipped
2 x Power Sound Audio S3010 - $3399 + shipping
2 x SVS SB16-Ultra - $3799 Shipped
2 x Rythmik Audio G25HP-SE - $4505 shipped
2 x Seaton Submersive F2 + F2 Slave - $4580 shipped
2 x Funk Audio 18.0 - $5857 + shipping

Major Brand
2 x Velodyne DD18 Plus - $7647 Shipped
2 x JL Audio Fathom f113v2 - $9000
2 x REL Acoustics No. 25 - $15,000
2 x Paradigm SUB 2 - $21,000
2 x JL Audio Gotham g213 - $24,000

Add in Room Correction of choice for subs that don't have it

As far as speaker level inputs, many subs don't have it and manufactures reccomend an adapter. https://www.russound.com/products/audio-systems/multi-room-controllers/expansion-devices/adp-1-2-speaker-to-line-level-adapter
Once could have one custom made using higher quality components.

Rythmik Audio is located in Cedar Park, TX by the way

txcoastal1 · January 4

Tony M wrote: »

Those are end game speakers and sub for music to me.

You mean end life...per the wife

ZLTFUL · January 4

WLDock wrote: »

Joey_V wrote: »

I agree WLD
I think I have wanted one for so long.
I think... no I know the performance can be beat with F18 stack.

All of these subs are awesome and get low!
Seaton Submersive F2 > -3dB at 12Hz
Paradigm SUB 2 > -3dB at 12Hz
Rythmik F18 > -2dB at 14 Hz
Rythmik G25HP > -2dB at 14 Hz
Velodyne DD18 Plus > -3dB at 14.4Hz
SVS SB16-Ultra > -3dB at 16Hz
JL Audio Fathom > -3dB at 18Hz
Rel No. 25 > -6dB at 14 Hz

Internet Direct
4 x HSU ULS-15 MK2 - $3310 shipped
2 x Rythmik Audio F18-SE - $3360 shipped
2 x Power Sound Audio S3010 - $3399 + shipping
2 x SVS SB16-Ultra - $3799 Shipped
2 x Rythmik Audio G25HP-SE - $4505 shipped
2 x Seaton Submersive F2 + F2 Slave - $4580 shipped
2 x Funk Audio 18.0 - $5857 + shipping

Major Brand
2 x Velodyne DD18 Plus - $7647 Shipped
2 x JL Audio Fathom f113v2 - $9000
2 x REL Acoustics No. 25 - $15,000
2 x Paradigm SUB 2 - $21,000
2 x JL Audio Gotham g213 - $24,000

Add in Room Correction of choice for subs that don't have it

As far as speaker level inputs, many subs don't have it and manufactures reccomend an adapter. https://www.russound.com/products/audio-systems/multi-room-controllers/expansion-devices/adp-1-2-speaker-to-line-level-adapter
Once could have one custom made using higher quality components.

Rythmik Audio is located in Cedar Park, TX by the way

Don't forget JTR...
Captivator S2
Captivator 4000ULF

And as I mentioned above, Jeff from JTR works directly with Jim Salk to customize them if wanted at a very reasonable rate.

WLDock · January 4

ZLTFUL wrote: »

Don't forget JTR...
Captivator S2
Captivator 4000ULF

And as I mentioned above, Jeff from JTR works directly with Jim Salk to customize them if wanted at a very reasonable rate.

Absolute low bass beast! Internet direct is killing it! So many opportunities for end game bass.

A couple of custom Salk edition JTR, Rythmik, or Stereo Integrity subs mated with room correction of choice would kill in performance, quality, and beauty of construction. Still, I think Joey wants that REL.

Internet Direct
4 x HSU ULS-15 MK2 - $3310 shipped
2 x Rythmik Audio F18-SE - $3360 shipped
2 x Power Sound Audio S3010 - $3399 + shipping
2 x SVS SB16-Ultra - $3799 Shipped
2 x Rythmik Audio G25HP-SE - $4505 shipped
2 x JTR Captivator S1 - $4798 + Shipping
2 x Seaton Submersive F2 + F2 Slave - $4580 shipped
2 x Funk Audio 18.0 - $5857 + shipping
2 x JTR Captivator S2 - $6596 + Shipping

Major Brand
2 x Velodyne DD18 Plus - $7647 Shipped
2 x JL Audio Fathom f113v2 - $9000
2 x REL Acoustics No. 25 - $15,000
2 x Paradigm SUB 2 - $21,000
2 x JL Audio Gotham g213 - $24,000

Joey_V · January 4

Dual dd18 looks interesante

Will it be just as fast as the rel 25...

nooshinjohn · January 4

Go with the REL Joey. They combine elegance and performance better than anyone else in the game. IMHO

joecoulson · January 4

Super choices there, if I had the coin, I would do the JL’s all day.

Joey_V · January 4

I am tempted Gotham.

But no hi level is what stops me.

joecoulson · January 4

They are stunning though. Just heard them again at the dealer I purchased the Elacs from. Amazing subs.

Joey_V · January 4

For sure.

SIHAB · January 4

I was looking at these as I can pick them up and afford them
http://www.audiokinesis.com/the-swarm-subwoofer-system-1.html
Gotta have at least two sub IMHO.

Tony M · January 4

SIHAB wrote: »

I was looking at these as I can pick them up and afford them
http://www.audiokinesis.com/the-swarm-subwoofer-system-1.html
Gotta have at least two sub IMHO.

Artwork stands.

Sticky tape probably would be needed though.

98Badger · January 5

Sounds like you want the REL Joey. If high level inputs are a must have, My bet is that is where you will land. WLDock pretty well covered the major players. Based on personal experience, forget the SVS sealed. JTR, Seaton and Rhythmik are all solid. If you are considering JL, they are nice, but aren’t in the same league as Funk Audio. I can’t speak to the other brands. I have owned a pair of Funk subs for years. They replaced JL’s. They are the only components in my system I haven’t had any desire to upgrade. I don’t play at your level of gear, but you should at least check them out.

WLDock · January 5

Joey_V wrote: »

I am tempted Gotham.
But no hi level is what stops me.

You're a bad man Joey!

Two Gothams might be end game subs even at your level. Don't let the lack of built in speaker level inputs stop you if this is what you really want. High level to line level is something that was more prevalent when integrated amps did not have preamp outputs. Many have preouts and balanced outputs now. For sure its the reason that the mighty Gotham does not have them. Speaker level to low level is nothing magical. Audio amplifiers that have this built-in simply have an attenuation circuit on the input to reduce the signal. There are off the shelf products to do this. In the pro audio world for example, there are boxes to adapt just about any source level down to a usable preamp level, Balanced inputs, etc. https://www.parts-express.com/jensen-iso-max-sp-2sx-2-channel-speakon-speaker-level-to-xlr--line-level-converter-adapter--246-0131

http://www.jensen-transformers.com/home-theater/audiophile/

Please talk direct to the technical department at JL and discuss the speaker level vs. line level conversation. Let them know what you are trying to do. Maybe they can recommend something or put together something for you. Do you still have the mega watt Boulder amp?

Joey_V · January 5

98 - thx for the info, I will look into it. I’m not into diy so I hope it’s not that.

WLD - yes I still have the Boulder and while I plan on getting a tube amp at some point for variety, I won’t be replacing the Boulder unless I can afford a bigger Boulder.

Interesting you bring up the balanced inputs of the Gotham.

Can you look at this preamp and see if it works with the Gotham.

I don’t have that ARC anniv pre but it’s on my radar for the next 18 months.

http://kahlaudio.com/products/audio-research-40th-anniversary-edition-reference-preamp-26000-msrp/

WLDock · January 5

The Gotham wants true Balanced inputs not unbalanced to balanced adapters. That AR pre looks good to go with two sets of balanced outputs.

So you are not familiar with Funk Audio? I listed one of their subs in the internet direct list I put together. They are a Canadian custom sub maker. Their subs have furniture quality finishes and they are expensive even with the USD to CAN exchange rate.
https://www.funkaudio.ca/
https://www.facebook.com/funkaudio.ca/

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joecoulson · January 5

That’s a beautiful looking sub

Joey_V · January 5

It is a good looking sub.

I browsed Funk's website.

SIHAB · January 5

Either the guy is a figit or...

WLDock · January 6

I remember you were talking REL or SVS dual 2-3 stack awhile back...

Maybe you're probably not interested but here are four Seaton F18 passive slave units that you could pick up for $3600 plus shipping. They are normally $1295 each. The 4000 watts amp to drive them is $1350 shipped.http://seatonsound.net/product/f18-subwoofer/

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/209-audio-gear/3032128-seaton-f18-passive-slave-units-4-available-price-below-each-unit.html

Should provide low distortion impact and low end body to any mains out there. Here is a dual three stack example:

joecoulson · January 6

Wow. That’s a setup

miner · January 18

REL makes the best musical subs but I will admit I am happy with my B&W DB1D that I use with my 805D3 in my family room setup - took a bit of dialing in. I also use a REL B1 with my Cremeona Auditor Ms in the listening room.

Joey_V · January 18

Update

I believe I will be going with JL and the CR1 crossover

maxward · January 18

Congratulations, Joey. That took some self control. Now I direct your gaze to the two-page ad by YG Acoustics for their “Invincible” subwoofer in the latest issue of The Absolute Sound (pages 6-7).

nooshinjohn · January 18

You will always wonder about those REL’s... what I like about them is they can be as smooth as silk or tremendously aggressive, depending on what you ask them to do,

joecoulson · January 18

Yes!! Awesome choice.

Joey_V · January 18

I heard dual rel 212 and it did not push me to rel. I know the 25 would be better, but I believe that the main issue will not be hi level or low level inputs, it would be whether I have control of the subwoofer ecosystem relative to my speakers.

With the JL Audio, I can add the JL Audio CR1 crossover, fully analog unit.

I can control high pass (where I cut the speakers low extension off at) and I can control low pass filters (where I introduce the subwoofers). In addition, I can control slopes at 12db or 24db per octave at those frequency points.

I can also run the JL Audio subs' DARO room correct to truly improve and control the room response.

I believe I will not be going with the Gotham 213 as I would like to have dual subs. Dual Gotham might just be enough to break the bank for me at this time... sad.

Plus, I don't know how I'm going to lug 700lbs of subwoofers into my room.

I believe the final set up with be the JL Audio CR1 combined with dual JL Audio Fathoms 113v2.

Wish me luck

WLDock · January 21

Joey_V wrote: »

I believe the final set up with be the JL Audio CR1 combined with dual JL Audio Fathoms 113v2.

Seriously! That's still $12,400 retail worth of clean impacting reference class bass. You're doing alright Joey!

I'm sure you've see Steve Williams system.
https://www.whatsbestforum.com/threads/doctors-orders-part-two-the-new-listening-room-of-steve-williams.10535/page-2

IMO, I would expect to see dual Gotham subs in the homes of a multi-millionaire record executive or music artists. Just saying...

The subs are only 19.25x19.25x16.5 and 133lbs each. If you don't have this, get yourself a good hand cart and some large sliders and you can move all of your heavy gear around no problem.
https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/AMG500--krane-amg-500-utility-cart
https://www.musiciansfriend.com/accessories/harper-trucks-steel-tough-700-nylon-convertible-hand-truck#productDetail

Good Luck!

joecoulson · January 21

I hefted my SB16 into my house by myself!!

I have not been able to stand up straight since

Thorton · January 21

I placed 2 - F25's in my basement. Furniture sliders are a must.

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