Finally Rippin' some CD's to Flac Files

Trying to join the 21st Century one of these days... :D

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SDA SRS 2.3TL's/SDA SRS 3.1TL's/SDA CRS+4.1TL's and some other stuff
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  • audioluvraudioluvr Posts: 730
    I hope you live near me so you can show me how that's done. I have no clue...
    Home System: see
    SDA 1C's - Full mod with the help by Dave...
    WireWorld Mini-Eclipse 7 speaker cables
    800 Va Dreadnought
    B&K Reference 50 Pre
    B&K M200 Sonata Monoblocks
    BLE-Design 16mm Power Cables
    Cambridge Audio DVD 99
    Sangean HD FM Tuner

    Barn system:
    SDA SRS 2.3's Full mod done by myself
    Carver C-1 pre
    Carver M1.5t
  • joecoulsonjoecoulson Posts: 1,796
    I have read conflicting things about the outcome of doing that. I have some folks who swear by high end rippers and others who say it can be done with just a normal computer and the right software. What are your thoughts?
    2ch: PS Audio Stellar Gain pre, 4 x Linn LK240 monoblocks ( bi-amping) Elac Adante AF-61's, SVS SB16 Ultra Subwoofer, Cambridge Audio CXN v2, Rega Planar 2 with Canaro 2 subplatter, dual belt pulley and upgraded bearing, Rega Ania MC cart, Vincent PHO 701 Phono pre with Mullard NOS 12au7, Audioquest Niagara 1000, AQ Thunder, AQ red river XLR's and Victoria IC's, Wireworld Stratus and Aurora power cables, Atlas EOS power cable, Denon 2910 (as transport) Sony CPD355 Jukebox cd

    5.1: Marantz sr5003 (feeding mains through HT bypass) Sonus Faber solo center, AQ Carbon HDMI's, Sony XBRx900E, Xbox One S as 4k player, Definitive Technology SM350's surrounds, Tivo Bolt, Harmony Elite remote

    Other gear: Totem Rainmakers (not hooked up) Sonos play 5 and play 1's x 2, Audio Technica TT and Edifier active speakers in kids room, JVC XM448 minidisc rack mount, Sony minidisc walkman, Project Debut III (currently not working), Samsung 46, and 2 x32" tvs, Samsung Soundbar, Okki Nokki LP cleaner, Second Harmony remote setup for bedroom, etc etc
  • Mike ReeterMike Reeter Posts: 3,384
    edited January 10
    audioluvr wrote: »
    I hope you live near me so you can show me how that's done. I have no clue...

    LOL, I had to enlist my wife to aid in the process. Once you get it down, it's just very repetitious. I only ripped a couple hundred, I'd hate to rip a thousand or so!


    SDA SRS 2.3TL's/SDA SRS 3.1TL's/SDA CRS+4.1TL's and some other stuff
  • Mike ReeterMike Reeter Posts: 3,384
    joecoulson wrote: »
    I have read conflicting things about the outcome of doing that. I have some folks who swear by high end rippers and others who say it can be done with just a normal computer and the right software. What are your thoughts?

    Joe, I'm not schooled enough to know the difference. I just did a trial of dbpoweramp and ripped to Flac. Playing through my OPPO UDP-203 and PS Audio DAC.

    The files sound just about as good as the CD's, it's more about convenience I guess, I listen to CD's when I'm puttering around the house, doing whatever.

    If I want to do some Real Listening, I put on an LP.

    SDA SRS 2.3TL's/SDA SRS 3.1TL's/SDA CRS+4.1TL's and some other stuff
  • joecoulsonjoecoulson Posts: 1,796
    Interesting.
    When I compare the FLAC files streamed directly from TIDAL in 44.1 format, they don’t really hold a candle to the CDs played from my Denon/PS audio combo. That’s why I was curious about how the files sounded when Ripped. They must be
    Somehow better quality than the streamed version.
    2ch: PS Audio Stellar Gain pre, 4 x Linn LK240 monoblocks ( bi-amping) Elac Adante AF-61's, SVS SB16 Ultra Subwoofer, Cambridge Audio CXN v2, Rega Planar 2 with Canaro 2 subplatter, dual belt pulley and upgraded bearing, Rega Ania MC cart, Vincent PHO 701 Phono pre with Mullard NOS 12au7, Audioquest Niagara 1000, AQ Thunder, AQ red river XLR's and Victoria IC's, Wireworld Stratus and Aurora power cables, Atlas EOS power cable, Denon 2910 (as transport) Sony CPD355 Jukebox cd

    5.1: Marantz sr5003 (feeding mains through HT bypass) Sonus Faber solo center, AQ Carbon HDMI's, Sony XBRx900E, Xbox One S as 4k player, Definitive Technology SM350's surrounds, Tivo Bolt, Harmony Elite remote

    Other gear: Totem Rainmakers (not hooked up) Sonos play 5 and play 1's x 2, Audio Technica TT and Edifier active speakers in kids room, JVC XM448 minidisc rack mount, Sony minidisc walkman, Project Debut III (currently not working), Samsung 46, and 2 x32" tvs, Samsung Soundbar, Okki Nokki LP cleaner, Second Harmony remote setup for bedroom, etc etc
  • Mike ReeterMike Reeter Posts: 3,384
    joecoulson wrote: »
    Interesting.
    When I compare the FLAC files streamed directly from TIDAL in 44.1 format, they don’t really hold a candle to the CDs played from my Denon/PS audio combo. That’s why I was curious about how the files sounded when Ripped. They must be
    Somehow better quality than the streamed version.

    A Streamer of some sort is on the "The List". I'd like to experience what Streaming has to offer.

    I'm looking at a Bluesound Node II, then I can do a comparison as well.

    SDA SRS 2.3TL's/SDA SRS 3.1TL's/SDA CRS+4.1TL's and some other stuff
  • BlueFoxBlueFox Posts: 10,475
    Ripping is easy, but tedious. I have been using iTunes to RIP them to lossless ALAC (Apple's version of FLAC). As far as how they sound that is completely dependent on the player. A PC playing the files is the absolute worst way to play them. With my Lumin they sound superb.

    While the CD player does sound good, it is not the equal of the Lumin. Plus, with ripped files you can make playlists of your favorite songs. I have multiple playlists now with a total of over a 1000 different songs. This also contains files I downloaded from HDTracks.
    Bud - Silicon Valley

    Lumin S1 - X1 power supply
    Sony XA-5400ES SACD
    Pass XP-22 pre, X600.5 amps
    Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers, SPOD spikes

    Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on source, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
    Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
    Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables

    Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
    Three 20 amp circuits.
  • joecoulsonjoecoulson Posts: 1,796
    Do you run the CD through the Lumin for playback ?
    2ch: PS Audio Stellar Gain pre, 4 x Linn LK240 monoblocks ( bi-amping) Elac Adante AF-61's, SVS SB16 Ultra Subwoofer, Cambridge Audio CXN v2, Rega Planar 2 with Canaro 2 subplatter, dual belt pulley and upgraded bearing, Rega Ania MC cart, Vincent PHO 701 Phono pre with Mullard NOS 12au7, Audioquest Niagara 1000, AQ Thunder, AQ red river XLR's and Victoria IC's, Wireworld Stratus and Aurora power cables, Atlas EOS power cable, Denon 2910 (as transport) Sony CPD355 Jukebox cd

    5.1: Marantz sr5003 (feeding mains through HT bypass) Sonus Faber solo center, AQ Carbon HDMI's, Sony XBRx900E, Xbox One S as 4k player, Definitive Technology SM350's surrounds, Tivo Bolt, Harmony Elite remote

    Other gear: Totem Rainmakers (not hooked up) Sonos play 5 and play 1's x 2, Audio Technica TT and Edifier active speakers in kids room, JVC XM448 minidisc rack mount, Sony minidisc walkman, Project Debut III (currently not working), Samsung 46, and 2 x32" tvs, Samsung Soundbar, Okki Nokki LP cleaner, Second Harmony remote setup for bedroom, etc etc
  • BlueFoxBlueFox Posts: 10,475
    No. The Lumin plays the ripped file. The CD sits on the shelf gathering dust. :)
    Bud - Silicon Valley

    Lumin S1 - X1 power supply
    Sony XA-5400ES SACD
    Pass XP-22 pre, X600.5 amps
    Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers, SPOD spikes

    Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on source, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
    Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
    Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables

    Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
    Three 20 amp circuits.
  • Mike ReeterMike Reeter Posts: 3,384

    joecoulson wrote: »
    I have read conflicting things about the outcome of doing that. I have some folks who swear by high end rippers and others who say it can be done with just a normal computer and the right software. What are your thoughts?

    Joe, I'm not schooled enough to know the difference. I just did a trial of dbpoweramp and ripped to Flac. Playing through my OPPO UDP-203 and PS Audio DAC.

    The files sound just about as good as the CD's, it's more about convenience I guess, I listen to CD's when I'm puttering around the house, doing whatever.

    If I want to do some Real Listening, I put on an LP.

    Joe, I should have said "I'm using the OPPO as a Server into the PS Audio DAC"

    SDA SRS 2.3TL's/SDA SRS 3.1TL's/SDA CRS+4.1TL's and some other stuff
  • audioluvraudioluvr Posts: 730
    BlueFox wrote: »
    Ripping is easy, but tedious. I have been using iTunes to RIP them to lossless ALAC (Apple's version of FLAC). As far as how they sound that is completely dependent on the player. A PC playing the files is the absolute worst way to play them. With my Lumin they sound superb.

    While the CD player does sound good, it is not the equal of the Lumin. Plus, with ripped files you can make playlists of your favorite songs. I have multiple playlists now with a total of over a 1000 different songs. This also contains files I downloaded from HDTracks.

    Ok. So where do you live...
    Home System: see
    SDA 1C's - Full mod with the help by Dave...
    WireWorld Mini-Eclipse 7 speaker cables
    800 Va Dreadnought
    B&K Reference 50 Pre
    B&K M200 Sonata Monoblocks
    BLE-Design 16mm Power Cables
    Cambridge Audio DVD 99
    Sangean HD FM Tuner

    Barn system:
    SDA SRS 2.3's Full mod done by myself
    Carver C-1 pre
    Carver M1.5t
  • BlueFoxBlueFox Posts: 10,475
    La la land. :)
    Bud - Silicon Valley

    Lumin S1 - X1 power supply
    Sony XA-5400ES SACD
    Pass XP-22 pre, X600.5 amps
    Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers, SPOD spikes

    Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on source, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
    Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
    Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables

    Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
    Three 20 amp circuits.
  • marvda1marvda1 Posts: 3,302
    BlueFox wrote: »
    No. The Lumin plays the ripped file. The CD sits on the shelf gathering dust. :)

    you need a top shelf transport.
    Amplifiers: MasterSound Compact 845, Ayre v6xe, Consonance Cyber 800, Usher R1.5
    Preamp: deHavilland Ultraverve 3
    Transport/Dac: Cayin Venus cd-100i, Musical Paradise mp-d2 mkI
    Speakers: Rosso Fiorentino Volterra
    Speaker Cables: Analysis Plus Black Mesh Oval 9, Cerious Technologies Graphene Extreme
    Interconnects: Analysis Plus Copper Oval-In Micro, MG Audio Design Planus Cu2,
    Cerious Technologies Graphene Extreme
    Power Cables by: Cullen Cables, 6sons Audio, Swiss Cables
  • dragon1952dragon1952 Posts: 4,450
    edited January 11
    I originally used EAC (Exact Audio Copy) which is a free software but now I just use JRiver. And after a while, and since I have under 400 CD's, plus, since storage is so cheap now days, I started just ripping everything in uncompressed WAV. And I just use my PC's drive. You really don't need anything fancy.
    ____________________________
    2 channel - PS Audio Stellar S300 amp, PS Audio DirectStream DAC, audio optimized NUC7i5 running Windows 10 Pro/JRiver MC24, iFi iGalvanic 3.0 USB isolation device, Blackbird SSD dock with 500 GB Samsung 860 EVO, Tom Tutay modded EE Minimax preamp, Furman Elite 15 Pfi power conditioner, Martin Logan Electromotion ESL speakers, Kimber 4TC speaker wire, Gabriel Gold Reflection V2 IC's, VH Audio power cords, Wireworld USB cables
    Computer - Windows 7/JRiver, Topping D10 DAC, Fostex PMO.4n monitors
  • msgmsg Posts: 4,524
    Nice, Mike, kinda fun, isn't it?

    What's not fun, though, is when you're just starting, and testing out different stuff in your process, and ending up having to re-rip.

    I ended up Dynamatting my optical drive and bits of the chassis mostly just because it would vibrate the whole chassis during high speed rips.

    Next up for you - maybe digital video library? :)
    I disabled signatures.
  • Mike ReeterMike Reeter Posts: 3,384
    msg wrote: »
    Nice, Mike, kinda fun, isn't it?

    What's not fun, though, is when you're just starting, and testing out different stuff in your process, and ending up having to re-rip.

    I ended up Dynamatting my optical drive and bits of the chassis mostly just because it would vibrate the whole chassis during high speed rips.

    Next up for you - maybe digital video library? :)

    LOL, I don't have enough Video content to make that a worthy project.

    I've had thoughts of Digitizing my Vinyl collection one day, but then I think "why put all the Analog Sweetness on a Digital File" ;)


    SDA SRS 2.3TL's/SDA SRS 3.1TL's/SDA CRS+4.1TL's and some other stuff
  • recoveryonerecoveryone Posts: 669
    The conversion/transforming of CD or Vinyl to actual digital format is pretty simple. CD are already in digital format (101010), so you are just making a copy of a digital file. The format you choose and playback unit is where you will hear differences from the source. The software out there today is on par with one another, If it gives you the option to rip to Flac to Mp3 you are covered. The argument of bit perfect copy is more about fuzzy math since all computer data is transferred bit to bit.

    Playback is a different deal, if you are using a computer/NAS or some other storage drive it is not the issues anymore as with most software the part you are using (program/files) are stored in a cache memory. Using a computer comes with other parts that can generate hums and vibrations (fans). I would recommend a storage device that you can connect directly to you playback device or to your network. Storage space is so cheap now days its a no brainer. You can pick up 2-4 TB for under a $100 bucks. I have several devices ranging from 350GB to 4TB some acting as backups to others and others as extra storage space so I don't fill up the main drive with photos/videos or music. Ripping is one of the first mind numbing task that comes with digital storage, but like the old days of Dbase I-IV, someone has to enter in the data. The second step is tagging, the music industry likes to get the last laugh and making you tag your collection of CD's or Vinyl that you have collected over half if not more of your life time is a task for the dedicated audio fan. I just posted a video on this subject, so go check it out if you are a beginner or a long time digital fan that never took the time to tag each and every song you have. Downloaded tracks are nice as most are already tagged properly, but some CD's are not or don't have any info at all on the disk, all you get is track 1,2,3,4..... Classical music is notorious for such things, also Greatest hits CD's play this game. Its a labor of love, but once you done it you will truly enjoy your music on a level that you never dreamed of.

    Playback, as with any part of your system what you hear is dependent on the ability of your equipment. Most important fact is this, a good recording will sound good on most systems, a bad recording will sound bad or worst on better gear.
    Family Room HT 7.2/i]:
    Vizio P55-E1UHD Pioneer Elite SC-LX502 Pioneer Elite BDP 85FD Pioneer Elite N-50 Panamax M5300-EX
    Living room 2ch:
    Integra ADM 2.1 Teac EQ MKII Squeezebox Touch Fluance SX Speakers Panamax M5100-EX
    Upstairs media room:
    Vizio D1 32" Pioneer Elite VSX 32 Sony PS4 Squeezebox Touch Polkaudio Rti 6's fronts Polk CSR Center Polkaudio PSW 10 sub Panamax M5300-EX
    Master bedroom:
    Vizio VF550M Pioneer Elite VSX 33 Pioneer Elite BDP 80FD Squeezebox Touch Polk audio Monitor 40 II fronts, Rears Optimus LX5s Jensen CCS center Polkaudio PSW 10 sub Panamax 5100
  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 20,614
    Trying to join the 21st Century one of these days... :D

    pfa12jhw4n0w.jpg

    highly overrated.

    :*
  • Mike ReeterMike Reeter Posts: 3,384
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    Trying to join the 21st Century one of these days... :D

    pfa12jhw4n0w.jpg

    highly overrated.

    :*

    From a Sonic stand point, quite possibly. From the convenience side, a worthy endeavor.

    SDA SRS 2.3TL's/SDA SRS 3.1TL's/SDA CRS+4.1TL's and some other stuff
  • mantismantis Posts: 15,192
    Sonically it's usually better and for convenience worth all the effort.
    Dan
    My personal quest is to save to world of bad audio, one thread at a time.
  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 20,614
    Oh, I meant joining the 21st Century.

    :#
  • Mr_HzMr_Hz Posts: 154
    As recoveryone stated: "Storage space is so cheap now days its a no brainer."

    I have a NAS with several bays to add additional HD's... so when I rip my CDs, I keep them in WAV format, uncompressed - the 'full meal deal.' They say that FLAC/AFLAC, (and even WMA to some extent) are great compression formats, but with storage cost per TB so inexpensive, I don't bother, thinking that the 'full snapshot' is the best format, no matter how clever the compression algorithms are.

    Now, if/when I need to keep a library of files for mobile devices - phone or ipod type devices, then I'll look more into having a special library of condensed files for those.
    2.3TL's - Living Room
    CRS+'s (4.1 TL's) - Office
    SDA1C's - Famdamly Rm
    SDA1C's - Master Bedroom
  • tophatjohnnytophatjohnny Posts: 2,090
    audioluvr wrote: »
    I hope you live near me so you can show me how that's done. I have no clue...

    LOL, I had to enlist my wife to aid in the process. Once you get it down, it's just very repetitious. I only ripped a couple hundred, I'd hate to rip a thousand or so!


    There are some great programs out there and tried a good handful of them to come to understand ez CD convertor was hands down above all that I experimented with. There is a nice formula that does improve sound of standard 16bit 44.1k cds without taking up much more Hard drive space but one would have to do their own homework trial n error to figure that formula out. Some 25k plus albums later I am proud to say all of my ever growing collection is ripped at ear candy levels and when I want to do some serious listening I just play one of those files!😃

    Fun Hobby 4 sho.
    "if it's not fun, it's not worth it & remember folks, "It's All About The Music"!!
    *****************************
  • BlueFoxBlueFox Posts: 10,475
    Some 25k plus albums later I am proud to say all of my ever growing collection is ripped

    Where in the world did you find the time to rip 25,000 CDs?
    Bud - Silicon Valley

    Lumin S1 - X1 power supply
    Sony XA-5400ES SACD
    Pass XP-22 pre, X600.5 amps
    Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers, SPOD spikes

    Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on source, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
    Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
    Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables

    Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
    Three 20 amp circuits.
  • Mike ReeterMike Reeter Posts: 3,384
    BlueFox wrote: »
    Some 25k plus albums later I am proud to say all of my ever growing collection is ripped

    Where in the world did you find the time to rip 25,000 CDs?

    I would be Bat $hit Crazy after the first 1000 or so :#

    SDA SRS 2.3TL's/SDA SRS 3.1TL's/SDA CRS+4.1TL's and some other stuff
  • HermitismHermitism Posts: 2,188
    I bet he forgot a decimal point.
    2.0/3.0 - Marantz: PM8005 w/HT Bypass, NA8005 | Polk: LSiM703, LSiM706c | PS Audio: Duet, Power Port Classic, PerfectWave AC5 x3 PC | Wireworld Equinox 7 IC | AudioPrism Quietline Mk3 x7 | Sanus UF30 | OC703 Panels

    6.1 - Pioneer Elite SC-05 | Pio BDP-51FD | Polk: RTi8, CSi5, F/Xi3, CSi3 | HSU Research VTF-2 MK4 | PS Audio: Quintet, Power Port Classic | DCF124BW x3 SC | Pangea: AC-9SE x2, 14SE, 14 PC | AQ Chocolate x2 HDMI | M850SW | OC703 Panels
  • Mike ReeterMike Reeter Posts: 3,384
    Hermitism wrote: »
    I bet he forgot a decimal point.

    Maybe 25,000 Songs ;)

    SDA SRS 2.3TL's/SDA SRS 3.1TL's/SDA CRS+4.1TL's and some other stuff
  • HermitismHermitism Posts: 2,188
    2.5k albums, I bet. That's a respectable number! More than me, I ripped about 550gb of music to flac. I'm not sure how many albums that is.
    2.0/3.0 - Marantz: PM8005 w/HT Bypass, NA8005 | Polk: LSiM703, LSiM706c | PS Audio: Duet, Power Port Classic, PerfectWave AC5 x3 PC | Wireworld Equinox 7 IC | AudioPrism Quietline Mk3 x7 | Sanus UF30 | OC703 Panels

    6.1 - Pioneer Elite SC-05 | Pio BDP-51FD | Polk: RTi8, CSi5, F/Xi3, CSi3 | HSU Research VTF-2 MK4 | PS Audio: Quintet, Power Port Classic | DCF124BW x3 SC | Pangea: AC-9SE x2, 14SE, 14 PC | AQ Chocolate x2 HDMI | M850SW | OC703 Panels
  • HermitismHermitism Posts: 2,188
    The sad part is that was the second time I did it. Many years ago I had ripped everything to MP3. D'oh!
    2.0/3.0 - Marantz: PM8005 w/HT Bypass, NA8005 | Polk: LSiM703, LSiM706c | PS Audio: Duet, Power Port Classic, PerfectWave AC5 x3 PC | Wireworld Equinox 7 IC | AudioPrism Quietline Mk3 x7 | Sanus UF30 | OC703 Panels

    6.1 - Pioneer Elite SC-05 | Pio BDP-51FD | Polk: RTi8, CSi5, F/Xi3, CSi3 | HSU Research VTF-2 MK4 | PS Audio: Quintet, Power Port Classic | DCF124BW x3 SC | Pangea: AC-9SE x2, 14SE, 14 PC | AQ Chocolate x2 HDMI | M850SW | OC703 Panels
  • Mike ReeterMike Reeter Posts: 3,384
    Hermitism wrote: »
    2.5k albums, I bet. That's a respectable number! More than me, I ripped about 550gb of music to flac. I'm not sure how many albums that is.

    That's a lot of work in anybodies book!
    SDA SRS 2.3TL's/SDA SRS 3.1TL's/SDA CRS+4.1TL's and some other stuff
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