Speaker up grade? Rti-a9's

chiptouzchiptouz Posts: 152
edited July 11 in Speakers
Playing around with a speaker upgrade. Are changing the a7's to a9's a big enough deal? Would my denon 4520ci be enough to drive them? If not then a $900 upgrade has become a $2100 upgrade (would add the monolith 3x300 or 5x200). Maybe I should just go with the new paradigm premier series (800F and 600C) and get new in-ceiling speakers to timber match. Sell all the polk speakers to makeup some of the cost. Thoughts?
Sharp LC-80uq17u
Denon 4520ci Receiver
OPPO BDP-203 Blu-Ray Disc Player
Monster HTS 3600
Polk RTi-a7 (fronts)
Polk CSi-a6 (Center)
Polk TC-60i (Rear & Surround Rear)
HSU Research VTF3-MK4 (Sub)
Logitech Harmony elite (Remote)

Comments

  • rpf65rpf65 Posts: 1,827
    Keep the A7’s, add an amp, and decide if you like what you hear.

    I wouldn’t recommend upgrading just to spend money.
  • cfrizzcfrizz Posts: 13,061
    Welcome to Club Polk Chip!

    Get that 5 channel amp first and put it on all your speakers. I bet once you hear all your speakers operating to their full potential, you won't feel the need to get new speakers.
    Sunfire TGP III PrePro, Sunfire Cinema Grand Signature 405wpc 5 ch. Amp, Oppo 103 BluRay, Rotel RCD-1072 CDP, Sony Bravia KDL-40R510C TV, Polk S60 Main Speakers, Boston VR-920 Center Channel, SVS NSD-12 SB12 Subwoofer, Polk DSW 400 Subwoofer, Polk FXi-3 Surround Speakers
  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 15,131
    I'm all for the amp as well. I'd recommend the Parasound Halo A52+ as a better option though, especially with the RTiA series.
    audiothesis.com/

    Speakers: Harbeth: 30.2, SHL5+; Usher: Be-10, T-515; Rosso Fiorentino: Elba, Pienza, Certaldo, Fiesole, Volterra; Polk: T50, Signature S15, RTA 15tl, RTi12; Sonner Audio Allegro Unum, Legato Unum, Legato Semis, Legato Duo; Emerald Physics CS-2.8; Klipsch KLF-20
    Preamps: Shuguang S200MK, Dayens Ampino, Parasound P5
    Amps: Shuguang S845MK, Dayens Ampino Monoblocks, Parasound A23
    Integrateds: Triode Corporation TRV-88SER, MastersounD: BoX, Dueventi, Compact 845, Evolution 845; North Star Design Blue Diamond
    Sources: AURALiC Aries, Denon HEOS Link, North Star Design: Magnifico, Supremo, Incanto, Intenso, Venti
    Cabling: Wireworld
    TV: Sony XBR-75X940C
  • jumpindickjumpindick Posts: 216
    I also agree on Parasound Halo amp. I had A21 driving RTiA9s. I saw quite an improvement with A21 than having Pio Elite SC-65 driving RTiA9s. In my opinion, you wouldn't go wrong with Parasound amps.
  • mdaudioguymdaudioguy Posts: 4,789
    Bigger isn't always better, and the A7s sound great with good amplification.
    7.1 - polk RTi10 x 3 (LCR) : FXi3 x 2 : RTi4 x 4 : Sunfire SDS-12 : Yamaha Aventage RX-A2040 : Adcom GFA-7500 : Squeezebox Touch : DIRECTV : Roku SE : Panasonic PT-AX200U PJ @ 120"
    5.1 - Definitive Technology ProMonitor 800 x 4 : ProCenter 1000 : Klipsch Sub-10 : Pioneer Elite SC-91: DIRECTV : LG OLED55B6P : Roku Premiere+
    Garage Duty - polk Monitor 10s : Pioneer A-717 Integrated Amp : Squeezebox Classic
  • mrlorenmrloren Posts: 1,585
    I agree in adding an amp first. I added a small Emotiva BasX-A300 (150wX2) to my Signatures. It was a wow hello moment. It doesn't make it that much louder but adds more detail and openness to the sound.

    If you don't have the budget for the Parasound A31 or A51 go for the Monolith, I've read good things about them. An Emotiva might be too bright for RTi.
    When I was a kid my parents told me to turn it down. Now I'm an adult and my kids tell me to turn it down.

    Family Room:
    Samsung UN60H,
    Denon AVR-X4400H, Emotiva XPA3 GEN3
    Oppo BDP-93,Sony UBP-X800BM, Sony DVP-NS3100ES, WD Live HUB.
    Main: Polk Signature S60
    Center: Polk CSi-A6
    Front High/Rear High In-Ceiling Polk 80F/X RT
    Surrounds: Polk T15
    Sub: HSU VTF3-MK5

    Bed Room;
    Sony KDF-E42A10,
    Marantz SR5010, BDP-S270
    Main: Polk Signature S20
    Center: Polk Signature S35
    Rear: Polk R15
    Sub: HSU STF-2

    Working Warehouse;
    Sony 2100ES
    Polk RTi4 about 15' up the wall
    Old sony 12" Sub
    Mini tower PC with 400GB of music
  • Inspector 24Inspector 24 Posts: 1,064
    How big is your room? Distance from speakers to listening position?

    With what’s in my sig I’m about 13” from the left/right speakers and I feel they would sound better with a little more distance given the power they have and what they can produce but I’m limited to that in my room.
    Down
    RTiA9 - CSiA6 - FXiA6 - Dual HSU VTF-15H Mk2
    Parasound HCA-3500 - HCA-2003A - Marantz SR7005
    Sim2 D60 - Dragonfly 106" Panny 500

    Up
    LSi15 LSiC - RX-V3000
  • msgmsg Posts: 4,277
    Some good recommendations above.

    What's the system use? Primarily HT, music, or combo? How are you finding the sound of the A7s currently?
    I disabled signatures.
  • chiptouzchiptouz Posts: 152
    edited July 12
    Thank you all. Been really wondering if I need an amp or not and sounds like you all that have them say it makes a difference. I would say 90% HT and 10% music (if that much). I would love a parasound amp but a little out of my budget atm. I am getting a 85” Sony x900f. Here shortly. Since ATI makes monolith maybe I can just try them out. Sounds like none of you all are using them atm.
    Sharp LC-80uq17u
    Denon 4520ci Receiver
    OPPO BDP-203 Blu-Ray Disc Player
    Monster HTS 3600
    Polk RTi-a7 (fronts)
    Polk CSi-a6 (Center)
    Polk TC-60i (Rear & Surround Rear)
    HSU Research VTF3-MK4 (Sub)
    Logitech Harmony elite (Remote)
  • rpf65rpf65 Posts: 1,827
    http://www.audioadvisor.com/mobile/prodinfo.asp?number=PAC2250V2

    This will well with the A7’s. Your AVR should be able to handle the rest.

    The monolith, as well as a few others, are made by ATI.
  • mrlorenmrloren Posts: 1,585
    I will be using a Monolith 3 as soon as I have the funds. I would like to have my front 3 with equal power great for movies.

    Almost anything from Monoprice and Emotiva get beat up on this forum. Let's just say some people here have a taste and pocket for the better equipment.
    When I was a kid my parents told me to turn it down. Now I'm an adult and my kids tell me to turn it down.

    Family Room:
    Samsung UN60H,
    Denon AVR-X4400H, Emotiva XPA3 GEN3
    Oppo BDP-93,Sony UBP-X800BM, Sony DVP-NS3100ES, WD Live HUB.
    Main: Polk Signature S60
    Center: Polk CSi-A6
    Front High/Rear High In-Ceiling Polk 80F/X RT
    Surrounds: Polk T15
    Sub: HSU VTF3-MK5

    Bed Room;
    Sony KDF-E42A10,
    Marantz SR5010, BDP-S270
    Main: Polk Signature S20
    Center: Polk Signature S35
    Rear: Polk R15
    Sub: HSU STF-2

    Working Warehouse;
    Sony 2100ES
    Polk RTi4 about 15' up the wall
    Old sony 12" Sub
    Mini tower PC with 400GB of music
  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 15,131
    When I mentioned the A52+ for some reason I had it in my head that it was lower in price than it is. I did a search to try and find some used A51/31/52 but didn't run into any. However, I did find a 5250 that might be of interest:

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/302779408894?rmvSB=true
    audiothesis.com/

    Speakers: Harbeth: 30.2, SHL5+; Usher: Be-10, T-515; Rosso Fiorentino: Elba, Pienza, Certaldo, Fiesole, Volterra; Polk: T50, Signature S15, RTA 15tl, RTi12; Sonner Audio Allegro Unum, Legato Unum, Legato Semis, Legato Duo; Emerald Physics CS-2.8; Klipsch KLF-20
    Preamps: Shuguang S200MK, Dayens Ampino, Parasound P5
    Amps: Shuguang S845MK, Dayens Ampino Monoblocks, Parasound A23
    Integrateds: Triode Corporation TRV-88SER, MastersounD: BoX, Dueventi, Compact 845, Evolution 845; North Star Design Blue Diamond
    Sources: AURALiC Aries, Denon HEOS Link, North Star Design: Magnifico, Supremo, Incanto, Intenso, Venti
    Cabling: Wireworld
    TV: Sony XBR-75X940C
  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 15,131
    mrloren wrote: »
    Almost anything from Monoprice and Emotiva get beat up on this forum. Let's just say some people here have a taste and pocket for the better equipment.

    Not good for the RTi line. For the Signature line, I'm sure its fine. I haven't heard newer Emotiva amps but have been told they are warmer than they used to be.
    audiothesis.com/

    Speakers: Harbeth: 30.2, SHL5+; Usher: Be-10, T-515; Rosso Fiorentino: Elba, Pienza, Certaldo, Fiesole, Volterra; Polk: T50, Signature S15, RTA 15tl, RTi12; Sonner Audio Allegro Unum, Legato Unum, Legato Semis, Legato Duo; Emerald Physics CS-2.8; Klipsch KLF-20
    Preamps: Shuguang S200MK, Dayens Ampino, Parasound P5
    Amps: Shuguang S845MK, Dayens Ampino Monoblocks, Parasound A23
    Integrateds: Triode Corporation TRV-88SER, MastersounD: BoX, Dueventi, Compact 845, Evolution 845; North Star Design Blue Diamond
    Sources: AURALiC Aries, Denon HEOS Link, North Star Design: Magnifico, Supremo, Incanto, Intenso, Venti
    Cabling: Wireworld
    TV: Sony XBR-75X940C
  • rpf65rpf65 Posts: 1,827
    It isn’t that the people here “beat up” on Emo or ATI gear. ATI makes Monolith, Outlaw, and a few other brands.

    It’s just people here usually think music first.

    The RTI and RTI A lines are designed primarily for HT usage, so the are inherently bright. Emo and ATI amps are usually on the bright side. Some people like that sound for music, but far more don’t. For strictly HT, there isn’t anything wrong with an overly bright sound signature; music, most will say, not so good.

    The people here are just trying to pass on experience, and some can be highly opinionated. When all is said and done, they’re usually correct.

    The advise here is free, you can ignore it. Not everybody hears the same thing the same way.

    Some people ignore the advise given on this site, and are perfectly happy with their choice. Others say they should have listened. What it comes down to is people giving their opinions on various manufacturers gear based on their personal experience. No paychecks, no free samples, no editors, and no marketing types are involved in the recommendations.


  • pitdogg2pitdogg2 Posts: 11,467
    rpf65 wrote: »
    It isn’t that the people here “beat up” on Emo or ATI gear. ATI makes Monolith, Outlaw, and a few other brands.

    ATI has also made many very high dollar name brand amps.

  • msgmsg Posts: 4,277
    Yeah, I’m curious about the Monolith myself, with ATI’s involvement.
    I disabled signatures.
  • mrlorenmrloren Posts: 1,585
    Ok sorry, maybe saying "beat up" was a little harsh, my bad.
    DSkip wrote: »
    mrloren wrote: »
    Almost anything from Monoprice and Emotiva get beat up on this forum. Let's just say some people here have a taste and pocket for the better equipment.

    Not good for the RTi line. For the Signature line, I'm sure its fine. I haven't heard newer Emotiva amps but have been told they are warmer than they used to be.

    Oh man, now I'm back to the coin toss on the two. I have been happy with my little BasX-A300.
    When I was a kid my parents told me to turn it down. Now I'm an adult and my kids tell me to turn it down.

    Family Room:
    Samsung UN60H,
    Denon AVR-X4400H, Emotiva XPA3 GEN3
    Oppo BDP-93,Sony UBP-X800BM, Sony DVP-NS3100ES, WD Live HUB.
    Main: Polk Signature S60
    Center: Polk CSi-A6
    Front High/Rear High In-Ceiling Polk 80F/X RT
    Surrounds: Polk T15
    Sub: HSU VTF3-MK5

    Bed Room;
    Sony KDF-E42A10,
    Marantz SR5010, BDP-S270
    Main: Polk Signature S20
    Center: Polk Signature S35
    Rear: Polk R15
    Sub: HSU STF-2

    Working Warehouse;
    Sony 2100ES
    Polk RTi4 about 15' up the wall
    Old sony 12" Sub
    Mini tower PC with 400GB of music
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 30,165
    rpf65 wrote: »
    It isn’t that the people here “beat up” on Emo or ATI gear. ATI makes Monolith, Outlaw, and a few other brands.

    It’s just people here usually think music first.

    The RTI and RTI A lines are designed primarily for HT usage, so the are inherently bright. Emo and ATI amps are usually on the bright side. Some people like that sound for music, but far more don’t. For strictly HT, there isn’t anything wrong with an overly bright sound signature; music, most will say, not so good.

    The people here are just trying to pass on experience, and some can be highly opinionated. When all is said and done, they’re usually correct.

    The advise here is free, you can ignore it. Not everybody hears the same thing the same way.

    Some people ignore the advise given on this site, and are perfectly happy with their choice. Others say they should have listened. What it comes down to is people giving their opinions on various manufacturers gear based on their personal experience. No paychecks, no free samples, no editors, and no marketing types are involved in the recommendations.


    Well said...
    HT SYSTEM-2 channel
    Sony 850c 4k
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Dynaudio Audience 72
    Polk FX500 surrounds
    Cary xciter dac
    Cullen modded Sonos
    Joule la-100 pre
    B&k Ref 4420 amp

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Analysis plus crystal oval ic's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

    Kitchen

    Sonos zp90
    B&k 1430
    Tad 803 speakers
  • mlistens03mlistens03 Posts: 2,330
    rpf65 wrote: »
    Others say they should have listened.

    I know I shoulda listened about not buying a pro amp when I first joined...
    I would suggest listening to them, they know what they are talking about.
    Micah

    Main system: Technics SL3200, Shure M97xE, Lafayette LR1100 for tuner, Hagerman Audio Labs Bugle 2 phono stage, NAD C352 integrated, Boston Acoustics VR 2, Boston PV500, generic ICs, and BJC Belden speaker cables.

    Desktop: Dell Precision 690 running iTunes, Yamaha RX-v665, Monitor Audio R90s, Velodyne VA-907, generic ICs and speaker cables.
    I've always thought the goal of high-end audio was not to have your neighbors bang on the wall and say, 'Turn that darn music down' but to have your neighbors bang on the wall and say, 'Tell your friends to go home and you can practice later this week'.
  • mrlorenmrloren Posts: 1,585
    rpf65 wrote: »
    It isn’t that the people here “beat up” on Emo or ATI gear. ATI makes Monolith, Outlaw, and a few other brands.

    It’s just people here usually think music first.

    The RTI and RTI A lines are designed primarily for HT usage, so the are inherently bright. Emo and ATI amps are usually on the bright side. Some people like that sound for music, but far more don’t. For strictly HT, there isn’t anything wrong with an overly bright sound signature; music, most will say, not so good.

    The people here are just trying to pass on experience, and some can be highly opinionated. When all is said and done, they’re usually correct.

    The advise here is free, you can ignore it. Not everybody hears the same thing the same way.

    Some people ignore the advise given on this site, and are perfectly happy with their choice. Others say they should have listened. What it comes down to is people giving their opinions on various manufacturers gear based on their personal experience. No paychecks, no free samples, no editors, and no marketing types are involved in the recommendations.


    I definitely worded my statement wrong.

    Advise on here is great, it's the advise matching my wallet. In the 12 or so years I've been on this forum I've learned a ton.
    When I was a kid my parents told me to turn it down. Now I'm an adult and my kids tell me to turn it down.

    Family Room:
    Samsung UN60H,
    Denon AVR-X4400H, Emotiva XPA3 GEN3
    Oppo BDP-93,Sony UBP-X800BM, Sony DVP-NS3100ES, WD Live HUB.
    Main: Polk Signature S60
    Center: Polk CSi-A6
    Front High/Rear High In-Ceiling Polk 80F/X RT
    Surrounds: Polk T15
    Sub: HSU VTF3-MK5

    Bed Room;
    Sony KDF-E42A10,
    Marantz SR5010, BDP-S270
    Main: Polk Signature S20
    Center: Polk Signature S35
    Rear: Polk R15
    Sub: HSU STF-2

    Working Warehouse;
    Sony 2100ES
    Polk RTi4 about 15' up the wall
    Old sony 12" Sub
    Mini tower PC with 400GB of music
  • pitdogg2pitdogg2 Posts: 11,467
    pitdogg2 wrote: »
    rpf65 wrote: »
    It isn’t that the people here “beat up” on Emo or ATI gear. ATI makes Monolith, Outlaw, and a few other brands.

    ATI has also made many very high dollar name brand amps.

    FYI

    Amplifier Technologies owns the ATI, Audioaccess, BGW and Theta Digital brands and designs and manufactures state-of-the-art audio components for its own and other brands in its facility in Montebello, CA. Guided by legendary amplifier designer Morris Kessler, ATI offers both performance and value in audio components.
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