Club Polk Perception
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Tom,
Being serious here. Nothing I enjoy more than sharing music. If you wanna test I am more than happy to send to you. I still have a list I asked DK to share with me. He broke down all the tracks and what he listened for and to.. at specific intervals.
I could repeat that kindness.
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^^^ Chuck Norris approves, Kerry
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^^^ Chuck Norris approves, Kerry
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I have mine on 2" spiked platforns.
Seems to help, & I can move em around if need be.
I always thought "Subs" per se, were Omni Directional?
Not in my experience. I hate being able to locate where a sub is and I don't know who said that but me thinks they are full of it.
Sounds good Halen. I have some tracks as well that I use for the same exact reason. "Olympic Fanfare" by Kunzel and the Cincinnati Pops when they hit the Tympani or Alllison Krauss......ah, I need to get to bed. 4:45am will be here before I know it.
Yeah, I have plenty of "those" type tracks for system evaluation.
Tom~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~ -
I have mine on 2" spiked platforns.
Seems to help, & I can move em around if need be.
I always thought "Subs" per se, were Omni Directional?
Not in my experience. I hate being able to locate where a sub is and I don't know who said that but me thinks they are full of it.
Sounds good Halen. I have some tracks as well that I use for the same exact reason. "Olympic Fanfare" by Kunzel and the Cincinnati Pops when they hit the Tympani or Alllison Krauss......ah, I need to get to bed. 4:45am will be here before I know it.
Yeah, I have plenty of "those" type tracks for system evaluation.
Tom
Alright. Lets music share. Name the track and break down. Let's start a thread on it. But before testing, should list complete setup. Once that is established. Then room size and shape.
One step at a time. Then go into more granular things. Let start with one song and go from there. -
"granular things"
And for that reason..........."Im Out".
Hey hey. I saved you a seat next to me. You better get back in. -
"....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963)
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Well @DSkip in all the dealings and conversations we've had I never took you for a snob. But, I kind of like that. I've always, secretly, kind of wanted to have nice enough equipment that I could be considered an audio snob. I still don't, but, being friends with one is good enough.
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I agree that Adele's recordings are terrible. There have been more than a few over the years. John Mellencamp's Scarecrow was terrible, pick a Journey album. Sting's All This Time was a far cry from the incredible sound captured on the live DVD. Was speaking to another forum member earlier and I commented that it seems like most recordings are engineered with ear buds or car stereos in mind. I realize that's a blanket generalization, but, so many get revealed for flawed recordings that I find myself gravitating to the really good recordings so I can enjoy my "system" and I feel that somehow I've lost my way...maybe time to reassess a few things and get back to just the music. Don't know if that's even possible at this point.
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You would think that amp would take the "Audio World by STORM!!!"
Ive never heard of it till this thread?
You must have been living in a cave all these years. The original Silver Seven tube amps are legendary. I haven't heard the newest version, but I can tell you the originals are in the top 10 best amps I've heard and I've heard a lot of amps.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
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They were called amp of the century when they came out and were named in the top ten most significant amplifiers of all time. Bob had three designs in that top ten as I recall.The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD
“When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson -
You would think that amp would take the "Audio World by STORM!!!"
Ive never heard of it till this thread?
You must have been living in a cave all these years. The original Silver Seven tube amps are legendary. I haven't heard the newest version, but I can tell you the originals are in the top 10 best amps I've heard and I've heard a lot of amps.
From reading this thread, you would think it would turn the audio world upside down.
You know I luv ya Jesse.
They did in 1990... google Carver Silver Seven tube amp and read the old reviews.The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD
“When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson -
You, and anyone else for that matter, are welcome to drop by and give my rig a listen.The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD
“When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson -
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I was only a twinkle....
Old farts
"....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963) -
(emphasis added)I agree that Adele's recordings are terrible. There have been more than a few over the years. John Mellencamp's Scarecrow was terrible, pick a Journey album. Sting's All This Time was a far cry from the incredible sound captured on the live DVD. Was speaking to another forum member earlier and I commented that it seems like most recordings are engineered with ear buds or car stereos in mind. I realize that's a blanket generalization, but, so many get revealed for flawed recordings that I find myself gravitating to the really good recordings so I can enjoy my "system" and I feel that somehow I've lost my way...maybe time to reassess a few things and get back to just the music. Don't know if that's even possible at this point.
'twas ever thus. well, 'twas thus for a long time.
Thus did all recording studios and mastering suites have a pair of Auratone cubes ("Horrortones") and a pair of Yamaha NS-10 monitors in them. If a mix sounded OK on either (or both), it would sound OK in any setting -- including the AM radio in a car.
Might I also mention that I was an adult in 1979 (albeit barely). 'nuff said.
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nooshinjohn wrote: »You, and anyone else for that matter, are welcome to drop by and give my rig a listen.
Will complimentary snacks and beverages be provided ?
Sal Palooza -
Good save Team Polk.
Thread took a hard left turn on that one.....
Post edited by mrbiron onWhere’s the KABOOM?!?! There’s supposed to be an Earth shattering KABOOM!!! -
I was 14 as well. God those were good timesEndersShadow wrote: »
Yes dan you were still a stain your parents were still practicing to stir up soup.
We were out breaking windows and stealing cars -
mrbigbluelight wrote: »nooshinjohn wrote: »You, and anyone else for that matter, are welcome to drop by and give my rig a listen.
Will complimentary snacks and beverages be provided ?
Bring your own you cheapskate.
One would hope you know proper etiquette........ like a sack full of beer or drinks geeesh
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FYI, the way we do snacks up here in the north country: hunt your own.
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Going on 28 years ago?
I grew up in Ocean Beach San Diego.
Left there in '79.
Been back multiple times & loved it, but had difficultly finding my way around in the modern day San Diego... [/quote]
I was living in La Jolla in 1978, just a skip and jump from you, and didn't even know it. I was 22 at the time you pup! -
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Going on 28 years ago?
I grew up in Ocean Beach San Diego.
Left there in '79.
Been back multiple times & loved it, but had difficultly finding my way around in the modern day San Diego...
I was living in La Jolla in 1978, just a skip and jump from you, and didn't even know it. I was 22 at the time you pup![/quote]
Talk about pups!
I was 33 at the time (1979) and enjoying my AR3a speakers, AR turntable and a Sony integrated amp.
It was my first "dive" into the "rabbit hole" of stereo.
Ah, I remember it well!
Well, honestly, not so well. I can't even remember the model of the Sony integrated. Family Room, Innuos Statement streamer (Roon Core) with Morrow Audio USB cable to McIntosh MC 2700 pre with DC2 Digital Audio Module; AQ Sky XLRs to CAT 600.2 dualmono amp, Morrow Elite Speaker Cables to NOLA Baby Grand Reference Gold 3 speakers. Power source for all components: Silver Circle Audio Pure Power One with dedicated 20 amp circuit to main panel.
Exercise Room, Innuos Streamer via Cat 6 cable connection to PS Audio PerfectWave MkII DAC w/Bridge II, AQ King Cobra RCAs to Perreaux PMF3150 amp (fully restored and upgraded by Jeffrey Jackson, Precision Audio Labs), Supra Rondo 4x2.5 Speaker Cables to SDA 1Cs (Vr3 Mods Xovers and other mods.), Dreadnaught with Supra Rondo 4x2.5 interconnect cables by Vr3 Mods. Power for each component from dedicated 20 amp circuit to main panel, except Innuos Statement powered from Silver Circle Audio Pure Power One. -
In 1979, I had been out of the Navy for a year. I had signed up for the "Luxury Tour Package" but you know what ? The recruiter lied ! A little light on the "Luxury", heavy on the "Tour".
Well, you kinda got a point there.Bring your own you cheapskate.
Oh, I see now. There's already going to be restrictions !. What are we in, Canada ?One would hope you know proper etiquette
That sounds reasonable......... like a sack full of beer or drinks geeesh
.... wait a second. Does this 'etiquette' thing require sharing ?
I dunno, this sounds like it might turn out like the " F1 $20 Tour Extravaganza":
10 minutes, no complimentary snacks or beverages, don't touch the equipment, and for gawd's sake don't even think about sitting on the couch (much less put your feet up on the coffee table) !
Sal Palooza -
pitdogg2 wrote:Golly gee
Your obscene language offends me.afterburnt wrote: »They didn't speak a word of English, they were from South Carolina.
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pitdogg2 wrote:Golly gee
Your obscene language offends me.
Don't blow an o-ring because your gif got booted 2-channel: Modwright KWI-200 Integrated, Dynaudio C1-II Signatures
Desktop rig: LSi7, Polk 110sub, Dayens Ampino amp, W4S DAC/pre, Sonos, JRiver
Gear on standby: Melody 101 tube pre, Unison Research Simply Italy Integrated
Gone to new homes: (Matt Polk's)Threshold Stasis SA12e monoblocks, Pass XA30.5 amp, Usher MD2 speakers, Dynaudio C4 platinum speakers, Modwright LS100 (voltz), Simaudio 780D DAC
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pitdogg2 wrote:Golly gee
Your obscene language offends me.
Nucking biss off you farging icehole....
Better
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[Deleted User] wrote: »I currently do not sell Class D amps. I have looked at a few options like Devialet and Mola Mola. I won't carry them until I hear them though.
I am not a fan of Class D full range, at least what I have heard. The two I mentioned get great reviews but are well above where most in this community would consider 'reasonably priced'. Ears I trust tell me there are a few exceptions to the rule so I am seeking out those potential exceptions.
Every class D I've heard thus far has had a very artificial sound to it. I told you I don't expect them to sound good with those amps and I stand by that. I know many are getting good results and perhaps the DSP is helping tremendously in that. I would be in the camp of getting the LS50 over the LS50 wireless for the built-in amps alone. I'm still not sold on the LS50 wireless being perfectly optimized with class D technology in it, but there are a multitude of other reasons why that approach was taken.
Truth be told, with solid state I've been very partial to A/B designs, even over the class A designs I've heard. The class A amps I have heard have all had pinpoint imaging with no true body. The class D I've heard have artificial midbass and felt unnaturally controlled if that makes sense. There was no smoothness to the transitions and that weirds me out. Every amp is different, but these are the rules more than the exceptions that I've come across so far in my journey.
So, you've heard them ? Class D with the KEFs is for the bass only. Mid and tweeter is class A/B. Everyone that I have talked to or reviews that I've read say the wireless is superior to the passive ones. It's not for hobbyist who wants to constantly fiddle and swap out ICs and components.
The A/B is used for the tweeter only. Class d powers the woofer which is where I have issues. That covers 90% of the sound and is not just limited to bass.
It is a lifestyle product and for that it is great. Ernie has had great success with his in a room he couldn't beat and in glad it worked out for him. There is a place in the market for that product but it isn't in line with my goals or approach.
Lifestyle? Don't be such a snob. You're too young for that. Try listening to them with an open mind and then judge.
Lifestyle does not denote low quality. I'm sorry if that has a negative connotation but in my mind it does not. The iFi Stereo 50 you got from me is also a lifestyle product. It is a stellar product but a lifestyle product nonetheless. The Wilson Duette is another lifestyle product designed for abnormal listening environments. That's a $20k product.
The Ls 50 is designed for a lifestyle purpose. It is made to fit in tough spaces and take up a minimal amount of space. What I said means nothing more, nothing less.
Wow, what was that all about?
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[Deleted User] wrote: »I currently do not sell Class D amps. I have looked at a few options like Devialet and Mola Mola. I won't carry them until I hear them though.
I am not a fan of Class D full range, at least what I have heard. The two I mentioned get great reviews but are well above where most in this community would consider 'reasonably priced'. Ears I trust tell me there are a few exceptions to the rule so I am seeking out those potential exceptions.
Every class D I've heard thus far has had a very artificial sound to it. I told you I don't expect them to sound good with those amps and I stand by that. I know many are getting good results and perhaps the DSP is helping tremendously in that. I would be in the camp of getting the LS50 over the LS50 wireless for the built-in amps alone. I'm still not sold on the LS50 wireless being perfectly optimized with class D technology in it, but there are a multitude of other reasons why that approach was taken.
Truth be told, with solid state I've been very partial to A/B designs, even over the class A designs I've heard. The class A amps I have heard have all had pinpoint imaging with no true body. The class D I've heard have artificial midbass and felt unnaturally controlled if that makes sense. There was no smoothness to the transitions and that weirds me out. Every amp is different, but these are the rules more than the exceptions that I've come across so far in my journey.
So, you've heard them ? Class D with the KEFs is for the bass only. Mid and tweeter is class A/B. Everyone that I have talked to or reviews that I've read say the wireless is superior to the passive ones. It's not for hobbyist who wants to constantly fiddle and swap out ICs and components.
The A/B is used for the tweeter only. Class d powers the woofer which is where I have issues. That covers 90% of the sound and is not just limited to bass.
It is a lifestyle product and for that it is great. Ernie has had great success with his in a room he couldn't beat and in glad it worked out for him. There is a place in the market for that product but it isn't in line with my goals or approach.
Lifestyle? Don't be such a snob. You're too young for that. Try listening to them with an open mind and then judge.
Lifestyle does not denote low quality. I'm sorry if that has a negative connotation but in my mind it does not. The iFi Stereo 50 you got from me is also a lifestyle product. It is a stellar product but a lifestyle product nonetheless. The Wilson Duette is another lifestyle product designed for abnormal listening environments. That's a $20k product.
The Ls 50 is designed for a lifestyle purpose. It is made to fit in tough spaces and take up a minimal amount of space. What I said means nothing more, nothing less.
Sure it does. All I'm saying is listen first , judge later. You mean the defective Stereo 50 you sold me with bad tubes and I had to send back to the factory on my dime ? Or the Dayens amp that crapped out after a day or the Parasound INT , that Parasound won't warranty because it was sold out of state against their rules ?
Wow, what was that all about?
Deleted user? Who was thar??Pio Elete Pro 520
Panamax 5400-EX
Sunfire TGP 5
Micro Seiki DD-40 - Lyra-Dorian and Denon DL-160
PS Audio GCPH phono pre
Sunfire CG 200 X 5
Sunfire CG Sig 405 X 5
OPPO BDP-83 SE
SDA SRS 1.2TL Sonicaps and Mills
Ctr CS1000p
Sur - FX1000 x 4
SUB - SVS PB2-Plus
Workkout room:
Sony Bravia XBR- 32-Inch 1080p
Onkyo TX-DS898
GFA 555
Yamaha DVD-S1800BL/SACD
Ft - SDA 1C
Not being used:
RTi 38's -4
RT55i's - 2
RT25i's -2, using other 2 in shop
LSI 15's
CSi40
PSW 404 -
Tforan is the deleted user.
Dunno if he/she was naughty, got a talkin' to and mouthed off the wrong way or it was a rage quit.Expert Moron Extraordinaire
You're just jealous 'cause the voices don't talk to you!
