New Andrew Jones Concentric Speakers

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F1nut
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These look very interesting.

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/89-speakers/2282746-elac-uni-fi-b5-bookshelf-speaker-ces-2016-a.html
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  • Conradicles
    Conradicles Posts: 6,042
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    Thanks for the heads up!
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  • pumpkinman
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    Are you referring to these ??

    http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Home/Speakers/Elite+Speakers/SP-EFS73
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  • F1nut
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    No, the ones in the link are new ELAC speakers. They haven't come out yet.
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  • msg
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    They do, indeed.
    Couldn't really find any spec info - anyone else? I'm curious, given the raves/buzz so far.

    Those UF5's seem interesting as well.
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  • F1nut
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    Scott, the ELAC Uni-FI B5's in the link I posted are not out yet, so no specs.
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  • F1nut
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    Here's a little more.

    http://www.cnet.com/products/elac-uni-fi-ub5/
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  • pumpkinman
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    I only went to the ELAC booth because one of my very favorite speaker designers, Andrew Jones, recently left his position at Pioneer/TAD to come to work for ELAC. I heard that Andrew would be holding court in the Venetian suite and demonstrating the products he has been working on since joining the company. Andrew is no stranger to the world of stratospheric speaker designs, and I was expecting some new reference statement, but was shocked to hear that he was demonstrating something at the other end of the spectrum: a three-way bookshelf monitor that will retail for $500. Much like he did recently with lower priced Pioneer speakers, Andrew said he wanted to see what the next performance step up was from $250/pair and to really push the boundaries of what could be done with truly affordable audio. The new Uni-Fi UB5 includes a new custom-designed concentric driver that places a 1-inch soft dome tweeter in a rigid 4-inch aluminum cone midrange, capable of extending to frequencies out to 30k Hz. Equally stunning is the level of bass depth and detail Andrew manages to coax from the 5.25-inch aluminum woofers. The result is audio that is just OMG! on everything they played. It is the kind of audio listening epiphany that just leaves you sitting in your chair shaking your head and with a goofy smile on your face. If Andrew can do this at $500/pair, you only wonder what ELAC will have in store in the future…
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 33,043
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    I likes me some coaxes...

    That said, one's gotta wonder what sort of deal Mr. Jones managed to cut with Pioneer/TAD upon his exit that protects him against misappropriation of IP lawsuits or even prosecution from his erstwhile employers.
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  • msg
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    F1nut wrote: »
    Scott, the ELAC Uni-FI B5's in the link I posted are not out yet, so no specs.
    F1nut wrote: »
    Here's a little more.
    http://www.cnet.com/products/elac-uni-fi-ub5/
    Ah, I didn't realize they wouldn't post specs until release. guess that's kind of like a concept.
    pumpkinman wrote: »
    The new Uni-Fi UB5 includes a new custom-designed concentric driver that places a 1-inch soft dome tweeter in a rigid 4-inch aluminum cone midrange, capable of extending to frequencies out to 30k Hz. Equally stunning is the level of bass depth and detail Andrew manages to coax from the 5.25-inch aluminum woofers.
    dang, that seems pretty low for a bookshelf! I was guessing 40Hz from the rave reviews so far. 30Hz with some reasonable output would be nice for an appropriate space, eh?
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  • F1nut
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    That's 30kHz....the top end.
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  • msg
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    LOL, I knew there had to be a catch
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  • rpf65
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    Specs are on the website for the complete line.
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  • cnh
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    Count this boy "in"! I'd love to get my ears on these!
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  • afterburnt
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    Yall think these would work good in a pure 2 channel setup?
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  • F1nut
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    rpf65 wrote: »
    Specs are on the website for the complete line.

    No, they are not. The ELAC Uni-FI B5's have not come out yet.

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  • aprazer402
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    afterburnt wrote: »
    Yall think these would work good in a pure 2 channel setup?

    Indeed they would. That's more than likely what they were designed for. I'll be waiting for the reviews.

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  • erniejade
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    Looks like an interesting design. Making decent audio affordable I think is fantastic.
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 33,043
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    erniejade wrote: »
    Looks like an interesting design. Making decent audio affordable I think is fantastic.

    It was very much the rallying cry of Polk Audio in their early days.

    Note the comments in the Polk 10 blurb below...

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  • madmax
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    After having the pioneers and now the B6 from him I'm inclined to try anything he comes up with without much thought.
    Vinyl, the final frontier...

    Avantgarde horns, 300b tubes, thats the kinda crap I want... :D
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  • cnh
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    Andrew Jones interview on the new series: ELAC Uni-Fi!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PZlKzALNzA
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  • hochpt21
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    Cool interview. I really wonder what those floorstanders will end up sounding like for 2 channel.
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  • halo
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    edited February 2016
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    I just placed my pre-order with ELAC for the UB5 & the UC5.

    Thanks for posting this thread about these speakers @F1nut!

    UB5 SPECIFICATIONS:

    Speaker type: 3-way, bass reflex
    Tweeter: 1 x 1-inch soft dome, concentrically mounted
    Midrange: 1 x 4-inch aluminum cone
    Woofer: 1 x 5.25-inch aluminum cone
    Crossover frequency: 270 / 2,700 Hz
    Frequency response: 46 to 25,000 Hz
    Sensitivity: 85 dB at 2.83 v/1m
    Recommended amplifier power: 40 to 140 wpc
    Peak power handling: 140 wpc
    Nominal impedance: 4 Ω; minimum 3.4 Ω
    Binding posts: 5-way custom
    Magnetic shielding: No
    Cabinet finishes: Black brushed vinyl
    Accessories included: Magnetic fabric grille
    Dimensions (WxHxD): 7.87″ x 12.75″ x 10.75″

    UNI-FI_UB5-1-655x821.png

    UC5 SPECIFICATIONS:

    Speaker type: 3-way, bass reflex
    Tweeter: 1 x 1-inch soft dome, concentrically mounted
    Midrange: 1 x 4-inch aluminum cone
    Woofer: 2 x 5.25-inch aluminum cone
    Crossover frequency: 270 / 2,700 Hz
    Frequency response: 48 to 25,000 Hz
    Sensitivity: 85 dB at 2.83 v/1m
    Recommended amplifier power: 40 to 140 wpc
    Peak power handling: 140 wpc
    Nominal impedance: 4 Ω; minimum 3.4 Ω
    Binding posts: 5-way custom
    Magnetic shielding: No
    Cabinet finishes: Black brushed vinyl
    Accessories included: Magnetic fabric grille
    Dimensions (WxHxD): 18.75″ x 7.87″ x 10.75″

    UNI-FI_UC5-1-655x358.png

    UF5 SPECIFICATIONS

    Speaker type: 3-way, bass reflex
    Tweeter: 1 x 1-inch soft dome, concentrically mounted
    Midrange: 1 x 4-inch aluminum cone
    Woofer: 3 x 5.25-inch aluminum cone
    Crossover frequency: 270 / 2,700 Hz
    Frequency response: 42 to 25,000 Hz
    Sensitivity: 85 dB at 2.83 v/1m
    Recommended amplifier power: 40 to 140 wpc
    Peak power handling: 140 wpc
    Nominal impedance: 4 Ω; minimum 3.4 Ω
    Binding posts: 5-way custom
    Magnetic shielding: No
    Cabinet finishes: Black brushed vinyl
    Accessories included: Magnetic fabric grille
    Dimensions (WxHxD) No Feet: 7.87″ x 38″ x 10.75″

    UNI-FI_UF5-1-655x1348.png

    Here is the product page @ ELAC: elac.com/product-category/passive/uni-fi/

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  • F1nut
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    That brushed vinyl is really nice in person.

    I am a bit surprised that the tower is only good to 42Hz. My office bookies go lower than that.
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  • deronb1
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    They do look nice. Gonna need more than average power to make em sing it seems.
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  • mhardy6647
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    "brushed vinyl"... sort of makes one think of something like "artisanal polyester" or something.

    In all seriousness, I'd love to hear any of these ELACs some time.
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  • halo
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    deronb1 wrote: »
    They do look nice. Gonna need more than average power to make em sing it seems.
    I was thinking the same thing but I live in an apartment and I do not listen to music or movies anywhere near reference volume levels. Still, when funds allow for if, I was thinking about adding an amp to the multi room outputs on the AVR (Parasound Halo A23 or a Emotiva XPA-2) or a Peachtree Integrated to drive them.

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  • mhardy6647
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    deronb1 wrote: »
    They do look nice. Gonna need more than average power to make em sing it seems.

    Kind of ironic, isn't it? Make very capable inexpensive speakers that need very capable, expensive amplifiers for best results.

    Not a complaint, just an... observation.
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  • rooftop59
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    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    deronb1 wrote: »
    They do look nice. Gonna need more than average power to make em sing it seems.

    Kind of ironic, isn't it? Make very capable inexpensive speakers that need very capable, expensive amplifiers for best results.

    Not a complaint, just an... observation.

    But it does seem to be a clear downside. NHT speakers have the same problem. I have always thought that the offer much higher quality sound than you typically get at their price-point, but if you drive em with an entry level AVR they'll sound like complete crap, which lets admit, kinda defeats the purpose of making this great bang for your buck speaker. Of course that's where the used market comes in, and amps can last a long time.

    Having said that, I too would love to hear these Elacs sometime...
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  • halo
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    Well, maybe I'll have to host a listening party. BYOB, pot luck, and bring your amplifiers to see what pairs best. Kinda like the old Polk Fest get togethers we used to have around here
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  • cnh
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    edited February 2016
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    Not sure if they "need" a hi-end amp. But they sound better with one. But, then again, don't most speakers sound better in this way.

    I mean, I have a set of M-70 towers in my HT and they're OK with a good AVR, but slap a quality 200+watt/2 amp on them and they make a quantum leap to the next orbital plane (yeah, undergrad Chem., still a few brain cells left from the '70s, lol). s, p, d, f, g...

    Admittedly, "useless" knowledge for my current field! And probably so "dated" at this point that most H.S. chemistry students know this low level physics of chemistry. You guys remember that, the attempt to ALWAYS reduce one science to a more fundamental one. Oh, perhaps that's still the goal for some scientists. The ABSOLUTE REDUCTION!

    There he goes again! YET ANOTHER digression! F'n cnh can't stay on topic!
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