My used separates nightmare (or how I went Emo)

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  • Inspector 24
    Inspector 24 Posts: 1,308
    edited March 2013
    pitdogg2 wrote: »
    While you did a good job of trying to protect. May I recommend Dow blue or pink rigid foam. This is much better than the bead board styrofoam. As you probably noticed when cutting that it is kind of soft and comes apart easily. In the past when I shipped amps with any type of handle I always removed them. I also put the rigid styro between the outer box and the inner box also.
    YMMV

    Funny you mention that, as I was deciding between the two I went for the white stuff because it was softer. I figured in the event of an impact it would provide more cushioning, more shock absorption. Next time I'll go for the pink stuff, if only because the white stuff is super messy. As you cut it apart white foam shizz gets everywhere!

    Next amp I ship will have double the padding. Sad that 2" of foam isn't enough. :(
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  • sucks2beme
    sucks2beme Posts: 5,681
    edited March 2013
    All my work electronics is packed with the pink foam. There's two kinds, the semi-hard and the soft stuff.
    The company uses it from the factory, and I save it where I can.
    "The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." --Thomas Jefferson
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  • Jhayman
    Jhayman Posts: 1,548
    edited March 2013
    I wish Viagra came in semi-hard and semi-soft, lol
    ATC SCM40's,VTL TL 2.5 Preamp,PSB Stratus Goldi's,McCormack DNA 500,McCormack MAP-1 Preamp,Pro-Ject Xtension 10 TT,Ortofon Cadenza Red/Nordost RedDawn LS Speaker cables, Bryston BDP-2, Bryston BDA-2,PS Audio AC-3 power cables
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  • Tankman
    Tankman Posts: 419
    edited March 2013
    Guys Emotiva just came out with a "new" class "A" A/B amp monoblock that is its the "new" xpa-1L.They are saying that the "First 35 watts are class"A" then after that it eases into the class"A/B".Well I did some reading up on class"A" class A/B amps and correct me if I am wrong? ..but All class "A" or more to the point class"A/B" amp designs are class"A" the first 5 to 10 watts or so?Lets give Emotiva some credit for this"New" if you can say that about the XPA-1L,the first "35 watts are class "A" Kudos! I say to Emotiva for this breakthrough,..which it is Not anything "New" I say just a very good "Marketing"of a amp design that has been around well almost as long as class"D" amp design.Now I am Not Saying this New to Emotiva that is won't are doesn't sound great with the first 35 watts been class"A" What I do hope is that it sounds better then the "Neutral" sounding amps that they do have out now for "Music" that is.Sorry about the typos..just saying is all seem's like why some people don't like EMO is cause..Well hype is hype right?..Oh one more thing and this is just "My" thought on this Tubes do rule and it is why my next amp will be a Vincent for two channel,Why? cause I can afford it for two channel that is..and its made in "China" too.
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 26,928
    edited March 2013
    Jhayman wrote: »
    I wish Viagra came in semi-hard and semi-soft, lol

    really trying to earn that TROLL badge :rolleyes:
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  • Jhayman
    Jhayman Posts: 1,548
    edited March 2013
    It's called a joke geesh lighten up
    ATC SCM40's,VTL TL 2.5 Preamp,PSB Stratus Goldi's,McCormack DNA 500,McCormack MAP-1 Preamp,Pro-Ject Xtension 10 TT,Ortofon Cadenza Red/Nordost RedDawn LS Speaker cables, Bryston BDP-2, Bryston BDA-2,PS Audio AC-3 power cables
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  • kuntasensei
    kuntasensei Posts: 3,263
    edited March 2013
    Tankman wrote: »
    Guys Emotiva just came out with a "new" class "A" A/B amp monoblock that is its the "new" xpa-1L.They are saying that the "First 35 watts are class"A" then after that it eases into the class"A/B".Well I did some reading up on class"A" class A/B amps and correct me if I am wrong? ..but All class "A" or more to the point class"A/B" amp designs are class"A" the first 5 to 10 watts or so?Lets give Emotiva some credit for this"New" if you can say that about the XPA-1L,the first "35 watts are class "A" Kudos! I say to Emotiva for this breakthrough,..which it is Not anything "New" I say just a very good "Marketing"of a amp design that has been around well almost as long as class"D" amp design.Now I am Not Saying this New to Emotiva that is won't are doesn't sound great with the first 35 watts been class"A" What I do hope is that it sounds better then the "Neutral" sounding amps that they do have out now for "Music" that is.Sorry about the typos..just saying is all seem's like why some people don't like EMO is cause..Well hype is hype right?..Oh one more thing and this is just "My" thought on this Tubes do rule and it is why my next amp will be a Vincent for two channel,Why? cause I can afford it for two channel that is..and its made in "China" too.
    Actually, that feature is one I've never seen, but it sounds like they're basically letting you select the bias. Most class A/B amps are biased such that the amp is class A only up to 15 watts or so, which keeps them running cooler. I know a lot of John Curl's designs for Parasound use a higher bias so they're class A up to maybe 30w, which is why those designs tend to put out more heat at idle. Emotiva letting you select the bias so it shifts the A stage to 35w is an interesting idea. Just not sure what real-world benefit it will have, since most of the more expensive amps use a higher bias anyway.

    So yeah, biasing an amp that high is nothing new... but letting you select the bias of the amp without modifying it, at least to my knowledge, is a first. Whether it will make any real difference, who knows? I could see it being interesting to play with in a dual 2-channel/HT setup though.
    Equipment list:
    Onkyo TX-NR3010 9.2 AVR
    Emotiva XPA-3 amp
    Polk RTi70 mains, CSi40 center, RTi38 surrounds, RTi28 rears and heights
    SVS 20-39CS+ subwoofer powered by Crown XLS1500
    Oppo BDP-93 Blu-ray player
    DarbeeVision DVP5000 video processor
    Epson 8500UB 1080p projector
    Elite Screens Sable 120" CineWhite screen
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  • Tankman
    Tankman Posts: 419
    edited March 2013
    @kuntasensei...Thanks,I knew that class "A" puts out more heat then class A/B too a point.I agree with you I have never seen a amp with the class"A" where you could "select".I also know that's why Parasound amps and some others tend too put out more heat because of that.35 watts to play with is nice we shall see.
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  • kuntasensei
    kuntasensei Posts: 3,263
    edited March 2013
    That mean you're buying one to try out, Tank? 'Cause I'm sure as hell not! :lol:
    Equipment list:
    Onkyo TX-NR3010 9.2 AVR
    Emotiva XPA-3 amp
    Polk RTi70 mains, CSi40 center, RTi38 surrounds, RTi28 rears and heights
    SVS 20-39CS+ subwoofer powered by Crown XLS1500
    Oppo BDP-93 Blu-ray player
    DarbeeVision DVP5000 video processor
    Epson 8500UB 1080p projector
    Elite Screens Sable 120" CineWhite screen
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,398
    edited March 2013
    Dynamic bias is not new. It's been around since the 70's.
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Puritan Audio PSM136 Pwr Condtioner & Classic PC's | Legend L600 | Roon Nucleus 1 w/LPS - Tubes add soul!
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,398
    edited March 2013
    In fact by definition all class A/B amps are biased into A operation. Nothing remotely new or advanced here. Same old same old.
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Puritan Audio PSM136 Pwr Condtioner & Classic PC's | Legend L600 | Roon Nucleus 1 w/LPS - Tubes add soul!
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  • kuntasensei
    kuntasensei Posts: 3,263
    edited March 2013
    No one's arguing that, heiney9, and I don't think Emotiva is claiming that either... But being able to manually change the bias of the amp with a switch is something I haven't seen before.

    Then again, with a well-done design, would you even hear a difference between the differing bias points? That's my question. What is ultimately the advantage of changing the point at which the amp changes over? Is it just the notion that pure class A sounds better?
    Equipment list:
    Onkyo TX-NR3010 9.2 AVR
    Emotiva XPA-3 amp
    Polk RTi70 mains, CSi40 center, RTi38 surrounds, RTi28 rears and heights
    SVS 20-39CS+ subwoofer powered by Crown XLS1500
    Oppo BDP-93 Blu-ray player
    DarbeeVision DVP5000 video processor
    Epson 8500UB 1080p projector
    Elite Screens Sable 120" CineWhite screen
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,398
    edited March 2013
    Tankman wrote: »
    @kuntasensei...Thanks,I knew that class "A" puts out more heat then class A/B too a point.I agree with you I have never seen a amp with the class"A" where you could "select".I also know that's why Parasound amps and some others tend too put out more heat because of that.35 watts to play with is nice we shall see.

    Yamaha did this back in the late 70s and 80s. It was nothing more than a gimmick. Pure class A puts out a LOT more heat, not just to a point. My 30 watt pure class A amp has huge heat sinks and it can raise the room ambient temp by 3-4 degrees.

    Granted the Emo is not the same design, but for it to do 35 wpc in class A, they need very beefy parts and heat sinks. Cosr should be very high comparatively and maybe not fit into the emotiva paradigm. I'm guessing it's some sort of quasi class A circuity.
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Puritan Audio PSM136 Pwr Condtioner & Classic PC's | Legend L600 | Roon Nucleus 1 w/LPS - Tubes add soul!
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  • Tankman
    Tankman Posts: 419
    edited March 2013
    @kuntasensei...Lolo..Nice try, I do have my "Hipboots" on but if you look at my post "Vincent" is in my short list for an upgrade for two channel a Big No on the XPA-1L.@heiney9,yep I know pure class A puts out a lot of heat even just sitting still.I agree with you on the class "A" switch thing on the EMO amp.I mean why put a switch when "EMO" says it will switch over too A/B anyways?.I don't get it?BTW..kuntasensei I know your jackin around with me..I am one of the few EMO amp owners that knows and I have owned other amps than EMO that even an old Carver amp sounds better for two channel music then my EMO monoblocks.But for the money they are a good value.
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  • cstmar01
    cstmar01 Posts: 4,424
    edited March 2013
    kuntasensei wrote: »
    No one's arguing that, heiney9, and I don't think Emotiva is claiming that either... But being able to manually change the bias of the amp with a switch is something I haven't seen before.
    Then again, with a well-done design, would you even hear a difference between the differing bias points? That's my question. What is ultimately the advantage of changing the point at which the amp changes over? Is it just the notion that pure class A sounds better?

    Plinius USED to offer a switch on some of their amps from what I remember. Tried looking but didn't see any of the current line up doing this. However a lot larger and run very hot in full class A operation.
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  • Tankman
    Tankman Posts: 419
    edited March 2013
    @ZLTFUL..Lolo..Nice stop the madness!..
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,398
    edited March 2013
    Class A is probably the single most misused term in audio, with the word digital a close second. Class A as it has been defined since the advent of the transistor can mean many different things. Most are only half truths and marketing speak.
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Puritan Audio PSM136 Pwr Condtioner & Classic PC's | Legend L600 | Roon Nucleus 1 w/LPS - Tubes add soul!
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,398
    edited March 2013
    http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/manufacture/0808/

    For those seriously wanting to read a good article about class A, the above link is excellent. But remember there is more to amplifier design that just high bias.
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Puritan Audio PSM136 Pwr Condtioner & Classic PC's | Legend L600 | Roon Nucleus 1 w/LPS - Tubes add soul!
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  • kuntasensei
    kuntasensei Posts: 3,263
    edited March 2013
    Either way, we can all agree that none of us are gonna try this thing, right? :cheesygrin:
    Equipment list:
    Onkyo TX-NR3010 9.2 AVR
    Emotiva XPA-3 amp
    Polk RTi70 mains, CSi40 center, RTi38 surrounds, RTi28 rears and heights
    SVS 20-39CS+ subwoofer powered by Crown XLS1500
    Oppo BDP-93 Blu-ray player
    DarbeeVision DVP5000 video processor
    Epson 8500UB 1080p projector
    Elite Screens Sable 120" CineWhite screen
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,398
    edited March 2013
    kuntasensei wrote: »
    Either way, we can all agree that none of us are gonna try this thing, right? :cheesygrin:

    I'm not clamoring to get my ears on it. According to the marketing dept it can run im class A to 35 watts, yet a $7000 Pass X350.5 can only run 30 watts class A. Something is amiss , but then thats why the marketing dept gets the big bucks!
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Puritan Audio PSM136 Pwr Condtioner & Classic PC's | Legend L600 | Roon Nucleus 1 w/LPS - Tubes add soul!
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,398
    edited March 2013
    ZLTFUL wrote: »
    If they want to send me a pair to review, I am game for at least trying it. Worst case scenario,, I make eggs.

    Trust me the Emo won't have the hardware to support the kind of heat dissipation to fry eggs.
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Puritan Audio PSM136 Pwr Condtioner & Classic PC's | Legend L600 | Roon Nucleus 1 w/LPS - Tubes add soul!
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  • kuntasensei
    kuntasensei Posts: 3,263
    edited March 2013
    heiney9 wrote: »
    I'm not clamoring to get my ears on it. According to the marketing dept it can run im class A to 35 watts, yet a $7000 Pass X350.5 can only run 30 watts class A. Something is amiss , but then thats why the marketing dept gets the big bucks!
    The specs for the X350.5 say it leaves Class A at 40w. But DAMN, that thing is huge! Doesn't look like most of it is heatsink either - the internals have some big-**** caps in there.
    Equipment list:
    Onkyo TX-NR3010 9.2 AVR
    Emotiva XPA-3 amp
    Polk RTi70 mains, CSi40 center, RTi38 surrounds, RTi28 rears and heights
    SVS 20-39CS+ subwoofer powered by Crown XLS1500
    Oppo BDP-93 Blu-ray player
    DarbeeVision DVP5000 video processor
    Epson 8500UB 1080p projector
    Elite Screens Sable 120" CineWhite screen
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  • Polkie2009
    Polkie2009 Posts: 3,834
    edited March 2013
    Haven't some members here used their Onkyo or Integra amps as space heaters?:cheesygrin: Great pic ZLTFUL! :cheesygrin:
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  • Tankman
    Tankman Posts: 419
    edited March 2013
    heiney9 wrote: »
    Class A is probably the single most misused term in audio, with the word digital a close second. Class A as it has been defined since the advent of the transistor can mean many different things. Most are only half truths and marketing speak.
    Thanks heiney9..Much Respect at ya!..I about spit on my desktop with this"I can't sleep at night I keep worrying about where my amplifer stops being Class A"still LMAO.Again thanks h9.
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  • pearsall001
    pearsall001 Posts: 5,225
    edited March 2013
    heiney9 wrote: »
    I'm not clamoring to get my ears on it. According to the marketing dept it can run im class A to 35 watts, yet a $7000 Pass X350.5 can only run 30 watts class A. Something is amiss , but then thats why the marketing dept gets the big bucks!

    Looks to me like Nelson's getting an **** whipping on design smarts from Emo engineers. And for sure a $7,000.00 amp is marketing hype at it's finest. :mrgreen::cheesygrin::wink:
    "2 Channel & 11.2 HT "Two Channel:Magnepan LRSSchiit Audio Freya S - SS preConsonance Ref 50 - Tube preParasound HALO A21+ 2 channel ampBluesound NODE 2i streameriFi NEO iDSD DAC Oppo BDP-93KEF KC62 sub Home Theater:Full blown 11.2 set up.
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  • Jhayman
    Jhayman Posts: 1,548
    edited March 2013
    For the Emotiva Fans
    Here's Mr. Legacy Bill Dudleston using Emo Gear at Axpona 2012..
    And a video from Youtube..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NP0rpnudeyU
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    ATC SCM40's,VTL TL 2.5 Preamp,PSB Stratus Goldi's,McCormack DNA 500,McCormack MAP-1 Preamp,Pro-Ject Xtension 10 TT,Ortofon Cadenza Red/Nordost RedDawn LS Speaker cables, Bryston BDP-2, Bryston BDA-2,PS Audio AC-3 power cables
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 33,065
    edited March 2013
    Cryin' shame too, they deserve better.
    HT SYSTEM-
    Sony 850c 4k
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Polk Sig. 20's
    Polk FX500 surrounds

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

    Kitchen

    Sonos zp90
    Grant Fidelity tube dac
    B&k 1420
    lsi 9's
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  • thsmith
    thsmith Posts: 6,082
    edited March 2013
    I agree in principle but it might be a smart move by Legacy. A lot of the youg guys I work with buy EMO because of price and new.

    Which is fine because at least they are getting into good audio and will step up as time goes on. I have already converted one.

    My point being that people who already own EMO and heard the Legacys might just buy them and on the other hand people with better amps than EMO and liked how the Legacys sound would think, dang if they sound that good on EMO imagine how they would sound on my " ".
    Speakers: SDA-1C (most all the goodies)
    Preamp: Joule Electra LA-150 MKII SE
    Amp: Wright WPA 50-50 EAT KT88s
    Analog: Marantz TT-15S1 MBS Glider SL| Wright WPP100C Amperex BB 6er5 and 7316 & WPM-100 SUT
    Digital: Mac mini 2.3GHz dual-core i5 8g RAM 1.5 TB HDD Music Server Amarra (memory play) - USB - W4S DAC 2
    Cables: Mits S3 IC and Spk cables| PS Audio PCs
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 33,065
    edited March 2013
    I dunno man, people buy Emo because they want new and cheap. Legacy speakers don't fall into that cheap catagory. To spend 7 grand on speakers and power them with the cheapest amp available just doesn't make sense to me anyway. I think Bill maybe dillusional thinking he can shake thousands of dollars loose from the pockets of Emo buyers.
    HT SYSTEM-
    Sony 850c 4k
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Polk Sig. 20's
    Polk FX500 surrounds

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

    Kitchen

    Sonos zp90
    Grant Fidelity tube dac
    B&k 1420
    lsi 9's
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,398
    edited March 2013
    tonyb wrote: »
    I dunno man, people buy Emo because they want new and cheap. Legacy speakers don't fall into that cheap catagory. To spend 7 grand on speakers and power them with the cheapest amp available just doesn't make sense to me anyway. I think Bill maybe dillusional thinking he can shake thousands of dollars loose from the pockets of Emo buyers.

    Yep, talk about a marketing mismatch of epic proportions.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Puritan Audio PSM136 Pwr Condtioner & Classic PC's | Legend L600 | Roon Nucleus 1 w/LPS - Tubes add soul!
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