My used separates nightmare (or how I went Emo)

ZLTFUL

If they want to send me a pair to review, I am game for at least trying it. Worst case scenario, I make eggs.

heiney9

kuntasensei wrote: »

Either way, we can all agree that none of us are gonna try this thing, right? :cheesygrin:

I'm not clamoring to get my ears on it. According to the marketing dept it can run im class A to 35 watts, yet a $7000 Pass X350.5 can only run 30 watts class A. Something is amiss , but then thats why the marketing dept gets the big bucks!

heiney9

ZLTFUL wrote: »

If they want to send me a pair to review, I am game for at least trying it. Worst case scenario,, I make eggs.

Trust me the Emo won't have the hardware to support the kind of heat dissipation to fry eggs.

kuntasensei

heiney9 wrote: »

I'm not clamoring to get my ears on it. According to the marketing dept it can run im class A to 35 watts, yet a $7000 Pass X350.5 can only run 30 watts class A. Something is amiss , but then thats why the marketing dept gets the big bucks!

The specs for the X350.5 say it leaves Class A at 40w. But DAMN, that thing is huge! Doesn't look like most of it is heatsink either - the internals have some big-**** caps in there.

Polkie2009

Haven't some members here used their Onkyo or Integra amps as space heaters?:cheesygrin: Great pic ZLTFUL! :cheesygrin:

Tankman

heiney9 wrote: »

Class A is probably the single most misused term in audio, with the word digital a close second. Class A as it has been defined since the advent of the transistor can mean many different things. Most are only half truths and marketing speak.

Thanks heiney9..Much Respect at ya!..I about spit on my desktop with this"I can't sleep at night I keep worrying about where my amplifer stops being Class A"still LMAO.Again thanks h9.

pearsall001

heiney9 wrote: »

I'm not clamoring to get my ears on it. According to the marketing dept it can run im class A to 35 watts, yet a $7000 Pass X350.5 can only run 30 watts class A. Something is amiss , but then thats why the marketing dept gets the big bucks!

Looks to me like Nelson's getting an **** whipping on design smarts from Emo engineers. And for sure a $7,000.00 amp is marketing hype at it's finest. :cheesygrin:

Jhayman

For the Emotiva Fans
Here's Mr. Legacy Bill Dudleston using Emo Gear at Axpona 2012..
And a video from Youtube..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NP0rpnudeyU

tonyb

Cryin' shame too, they deserve better.

thsmith

I agree in principle but it might be a smart move by Legacy. A lot of the youg guys I work with buy EMO because of price and new.

Which is fine because at least they are getting into good audio and will step up as time goes on. I have already converted one.

My point being that people who already own EMO and heard the Legacys might just buy them and on the other hand people with better amps than EMO and liked how the Legacys sound would think, dang if they sound that good on EMO imagine how they would sound on my " ".

tonyb

I dunno man, people buy Emo because they want new and cheap. Legacy speakers don't fall into that cheap catagory. To spend 7 grand on speakers and power them with the cheapest amp available just doesn't make sense to me anyway. I think Bill maybe dillusional thinking he can shake thousands of dollars loose from the pockets of Emo buyers.

heiney9

tonyb wrote: »

I dunno man, people buy Emo because they want new and cheap. Legacy speakers don't fall into that cheap catagory. To spend 7 grand on speakers and power them with the cheapest amp available just doesn't make sense to me anyway. I think Bill maybe dillusional thinking he can shake thousands of dollars loose from the pockets of Emo buyers.

Yep, talk about a marketing mismatch of epic proportions.

H9

leroyjr1

tonyb wrote: »

I dunno man, people buy Emo because they want new and cheap. Legacy speakers don't fall into that cheap catagory. To spend 7 grand on speakers and power them with the cheapest amp available just doesn't make sense to me anyway. I think Bill maybe dillusional thinking he can shake thousands of dollars loose from the pockets of Emo buyers.

I have to strongly disagree. I've seen many established members on other sites running Emotiva gear on $40K systems. It's not just newer members wanting the cheapest.

kuntasensei

Maybe the sound the Emo has just works with their particular system, price be damned. Let's not discount the possibility of that.

rdb2001

leroyjr1 wrote: »

I have to strongly disagree. I've seen many established members on other sites running Emotiva gear on $40K systems. It's not just newer members wanting the cheapest.

Totally agree. Talked to a member of another forum who is running Focal Stella utopias with xpa1's. A good friend of mines on another forums is running the xpr1's and some 25k dynaudio towers. That same guy has owned pass, octave, etc. I myself have owned bryston, b&k, adcom, classe, parasound. Its not about money, but about system synergy.

I also hope H9 dont think that dealer price of that pass is anywhere near 7k. I would say it is at least 50% off for dealer price. so thats 3.5k. Thats about what pass sold it to the dealer, and I hope you really dont think it cost that much to make it.

tonyb

I dunno guys, I have to disagree too. Anyone with a 40g system and then cheaps out on amps ? Come on now, synergy or not, I find it hard to believe they couldn't find synergy with more capable amps let alone better sound. Maybe they just spent their wad on speakers and had little left over.

Not ment to Emo bash, as they serve their purpose well but if thats the start and end of your amplification search, then you best get a new hearing aid....for both ears.

heiney9

rdb2001 wrote: »

Totally agree. Talked to a member of another forum who is running Focal Stella utopias with xpa1's. A good friend of mines on another forums is running the xpr1's and some 25k dynaudio towers. That same guy has owned pass, octave, etc. I myself have owned bryston, b&k, adcom, classe, parasound. Its not about money, but about system synergy.

I also hope H9 dont think that dealer price of that pass is anywhere near 7k. I would say it is at least 50% off for dealer price. so thats 3.5k. Thats about what pass sold it to the dealer, and I hope you really dont think it cost that much to make it.

Who cares about dealer price, I'm not a dealer so I can't get dealer pricing. In fact retail on the X350.5 is closer to $10K. I was using it for illustration purposes. Knock 10-15% off is about where a dealer will start the negotiation. If you get 30% off you got a good deal.

Way to nit pick

rdb2001

heiney9 wrote: »

Who cares about dealer price, I'm not a dealer so I can't get dealer pricing. In fact retail on the X350.5 is closer to $10K. I was using it for illustration purposes. Knock 10-15% off is about where a dealer will start the negotiation. If you get 30% off you got a good deal.

Way to nit pick

Nitpick? Are you serious. The way you bash everything emo on here and you say I nitpick when I give you facts about how much markup is on audio equipment. Please spare me. Your beloved pass, which I think are awesome amps, dont cost nearwhere near what they retail for. It just seems funny to me when you can bash one budget brand but praise the piece of crap called the sl2000. Here is an illustration for you, audio equipment has some of the biggest markups of anything. Price should not be a determining factori in this hobby because all business models are different. It is the reason why svs can sell their ultra for 2 grand and jl, paradigm, velodyne can sell their top of the line subs at a premium. 2 different business models. It is why salk, rogue, philharmonic, odyssey and other internet direct brands can compete in price class much higher than theirs. Different business models. Thats business 101.

tonyb

Brock has a boyfriend.......Brock has a boyfriend......nahnahnahnah nah nah ! :cheesygrin:

teekay0007

tonyb wrote: »

I dunno man, people buy Emo because they want new and cheap. Legacy speakers don't fall into that cheap catagory. To spend 7 grand on speakers and power them with the cheapest amp available just doesn't make sense to me anyway. I think Bill maybe dillusional thinking he can shake thousands of dollars loose from the pockets of Emo buyers.

Yeah, his thinking that is almost as absurd as thinking he could shake only Emo prices for amplification out of Legacy buyers. We here all know that at Emo prices, there's absolutely no way it could sound good. How in the heck did he get to the top of that audio empire of his with thinking like that?!

pitdogg2

http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/amplifiers/emotiva-audio-xpa-1l-pre

leroyjr1

tonyb wrote: »

I dunno guys, I have to disagree too. Anyone with a 40g system and then cheaps out on amps ? Come on now, synergy or not, I find it hard to believe they couldn't find synergy with more capable amps let alone better sound. Maybe they just spent their wad on speakers and had little left over.

Not ment to Emo bash, as they serve their purpose well but if thats the start and end of your amplification search, then you best get a new hearing aid....for both ears.

I'm guessing the same goes for people running $10k-$30k systems and using $2000 SDA's right?

tonyb

leroyjr1 wrote: »

I'm guessing the same goes for people running $10k-$30k systems and using $2000 SDA's right?

All depends, I've heard many 10g systems I thought wasn't much better than 1g ones. SDA'S have a signature sound thats very appealing to many and I wouldn't blame anyone with them anchoring any system. Lots of speakers are better however, and I guess that can be said about any piece of gear. For me personally, If I had 30g's laying around to spend, SDA's wouldn't be on the list. Thats just me though as the example of 40g systems being fed off 500 buck amps is more an extreme case. To each his own though, if that floats your boat. The world won't collapse around us if Emo lovers drive 40g speakers with their amps.

Polkie2009

The Polk Audio SDA and SDA SRS line of speakers are about about 22 to 28 years old right? I have to question if these Emotiva amps bought in the last 3 or so years will still be working in 20 years. Or in 10 years.... Time has a way of deciding these things.

pearsall001

Most of the guys here that continue to bash Emo at every chance they get are running at best mid level Polk speakers. Oh but they do have them with fancy pants amps & fancy pants cables so I guess that's the kicker. The level of bias is just out of control. How funny is it that Polk speakers are the brunt of jokes on other forums just like Emo is here. You simply can't use the word audiophile (I just love that word) & Polk speakers in the same conversation. Oh well, to each is own. Now I'll never, ever consider Legacy speakers after learning that they had the nerve to drive them with Emo gear. What a shame...but on the other hand maybe they know something we don't? Man this stuff gets old.

CoolJazz

Actually, I had a buddy building up the Legacy speakers big time. So as we turned the corner into their pretty empty room at Axpona, I had high expectations of something that'd at least rise to the level of fun to listen to. :loneranger: Those mid sized ones, as shown on that opening YouTube splash, were a GIANT letdown. Left me, and him, totally cold. Not even close to connecting. Now I think I know why....

So maybe powering them that way could have been a mistake on the part of Legacy. So the question would be....did they notice? Did they power with Emo the next time?

I don't have a dog in this hunt...other than the pursuit of music that can carry the emotion and take you beyond electronic reproduction. Did not hear it on that system!! It had highs and lows....musta been a little better than Bose!

CJ

F1nut

pitdogg2 wrote: »

http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/amplifiers/emotiva-audio-xpa-1l-pre

"but it still weighs in at a respectable 35 pounds."

I've got CDP's that weigh more than that.

polkfarmboy

My Dac weighs 5 lbs than that amp and it does not have the 10 lb face plate

Jhayman

Two works of ART

To polkfarmboy check out the HUGE faceplates on the Pass amps and see who's are bigger, lol
You guys just don't get it and Never will.
Ok F1 the XPR-5 weighs in at 100lbs NET is that to lite for you?
Most reviews I have read have always in part commented on the Excellent Quality Build.
Why is it so hard to believe that the things you bought over the last 30 yrs can't be built for much cheaper today especially when it's China's biggest import/export..
Why is it always a High dollar value associated to quality and not Greed/Profit, just look at how many cable Manufacturers popped up in the last decade or two,,I wonder why..

headrott

Jhayman wrote: »

Most reviews I have read have always in part commented on the Excellent Quality Build.
Why is it so hard to believe that the things you bought over the last 30 yrs can't be built for much cheaper today especially when it's China's biggest import/export..
Why is it always a High dollar value associated to quality and not Greed/Profit, just look at how many cable Manufacturers popped up in the last decade or two,,I wonder why.

Excellent build quality and China are oxymorons in my experience of paying attention to Chinese made items for the past 18 years. Yes, 18 years.

There are a very few imported Chinese made exceptions however.

Edit: Also, high dollar value is associated with quality because some of us have experienced the difference a high quality cable can make (or any high quality piece of gear for that matter).