My used separates nightmare (or how I went Emo)

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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 34,916
    edited March 2013
    "obvious reasons", eh? ;-)
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  • Jhayman
    Jhayman Posts: 1,548
    edited March 2013
    Guess I have to spell it out for you..
    Economical and manufacturing and the advancements of the SS industry
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    "obvious reasons", eh? ;-)
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  • Jhayman
    Jhayman Posts: 1,548
    edited March 2013
    Come on, are you really going to tell me vinyl did not have a HUGE decline when compact disk was introduced?
    DSkip wrote: »
    Funny post.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 51,675
    edited March 2013
    Jhayman wrote: »
    Vinyl is making a big comeback now, just do a quick Google search about vinyl I did..

    LOL.....big eh? IIRC, it's less than 1% of the market share according to the RIAA.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

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  • Jhayman
    Jhayman Posts: 1,548
    edited March 2013
    Sorry..:wink:
    DSkip wrote: »
    No, it was the fact that his sarcasm went over your head. :razz:
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  • Jhayman
    Jhayman Posts: 1,548
    edited March 2013
    Ok whatever you say, what I read was a steady increase in vinyl sales from 2006 to 2012 with the biggest jump in 2012
    Watching my local news stations I have seen them actually say that Vinyl is makeing a comeback and to NOT throw out your records keep them..:cry:
    F1nut wrote: »
    LOL.....big eh? IIRC, it's less than 1% of the market share according to the RIAA.
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  • txcoastal1
    txcoastal1 Posts: 13,499
    edited March 2013
    Jhayman wrote: »
    Come on, are you really going to tell me vinyl did not have a HUGE decline when compact disk was introduced?

    If you want to make that type of comparisons then the phrases "solid state" and "compact disk" would be old too...since digital downloads and ear buds are the new tech
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    Desktop rig: LSi7, Polk 110sub, Dayens Ampino amp, W4S DAC/pre, Sonos, JRiver
    Gear on standby: Melody 101 tube pre, Unison Research Simply Italy Integrated
    Gone to new homes: (Matt Polk's)Threshold Stasis SA12e monoblocks, Pass XA30.5 amp, Usher MD2 speakers, Dynaudio C4 platinum speakers, Modwright LS100 (voltz), Simaudio 780D DAC

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  • lightman1
    lightman1 Posts: 10,796
    edited March 2013
    I like funnel cakes and puppy kisses!
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  • sucks2beme
    sucks2beme Posts: 5,681
    edited March 2013
    Pick a budget and your speakers, and go with whatever works with your budget and
    sounds best. If in your case if it was EMO, then great. If your budget is bigger and it's not
    Emo, also great. I have a pretty decent SS amp, and a good tube amp. If I need lots of
    clean power, SS it is. The Hales liked power. The Proacs I'm currently running sound best
    with the ARC. Tubes in that set up win. I wasn't happy to hear of troubles with used amps.
    been there, done that. Here in DFW In have a great selection of used, new, and local dealer trade ins.
    And not having to ship amps makes me happy. The only thing worse is shipping speakers. I get to see UPS
    and Fedex drop stuff here all the time, and just last week I saw UPS slide a server off the trunk,
    and smack down flat on the street. It was ok, but it gives a pretty good picture of why stuff doesn't
    survive shipping.
    "The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." --Thomas Jefferson
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  • headrott
    headrott Posts: 5,496
    edited March 2013
    Could it be that the motive (or Emotivas:razz:) of Emo lovers is to portray non-Emo lovers as "bashing" their brand and have high hopes of getting these "Emo bashers" really really worked up to a frenzy to say something to get the "Emo bashers" banned? Could that be one of the motives (Emotivas:razz:)? Ok, maybe I'm reaching here............
    Relayer-Big-O-Poster.jpg
    Taken from a recent Audioholics reply regarding "Club Polk" and Polk speakers:
    "I'm yet to hear a Polk speaker that merits more than a sentence and 60 seconds discussion." :\
    My response is: If you need 60 seconds to respond in one sentence, you probably should't be evaluating Polk speakers.....

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  • Jhayman
    Jhayman Posts: 1,548
    edited March 2013
    You came up with that all by yourself..your so smart :eek:

    headrott wrote: »
    Could it be that the motive (or Emotivas:razz:) of Emo lovers is to portray non-Emo lovers as "bashing" their brand and have high hopes of getting these "Emo bashers" really really worked up to a frenzy to say something to get the "Emo bashers" banned? Could that be one of the motives (Emotivas:razz:)? Ok, maybe I'm reaching here............
    ATC SCM40's,VTL TL 2.5 Preamp,PSB Stratus Goldi's,McCormack DNA 500,McCormack MAP-1 Preamp,Pro-Ject Xtension 10 TT,Ortofon Cadenza Red/Nordost RedDawn LS Speaker cables, Bryston BDP-2, Bryston BDA-2,PS Audio AC-3 power cables
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  • headrott
    headrott Posts: 5,496
    edited March 2013
    Jhayman wrote: »
    You came up with that all by yourself..your so smart :eek:

    Which part are you referring to? And yes, I came up with all of that all by myself. If you read the Audio GD Vs. Emotiva DAC thread, I can also put on my own pants. Does that make me smarter than the average person too?
    Relayer-Big-O-Poster.jpg
    Taken from a recent Audioholics reply regarding "Club Polk" and Polk speakers:
    "I'm yet to hear a Polk speaker that merits more than a sentence and 60 seconds discussion." :\
    My response is: If you need 60 seconds to respond in one sentence, you probably should't be evaluating Polk speakers.....

    "Green leaves reveal the heart spoken Khatru"- Jon Anderson

    "Have A Little Faith! And Everything You'll Face, Will Jump From Out Right On Into Place! Yeah! Take A Little Time! And Everything You'll Find, Will Move From Gloom Right On Into Shine!"- Arthur Lee
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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    edited March 2013
    Jhayman wrote: »
    You came up with that all by yourself..your so smart :eek:

    Actually, it is "you're so smart". Not 'your so smart'. "You're" is a contraction of "you are", as in "you are so smart". Using 'your' is a common mistake with those learning English as a second language.
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  • Jhayman
    Jhayman Posts: 1,548
    edited March 2013
    You are correct my mistake, Tired I guess..
    BlueFox wrote: »
    Actually, it is "you're so smart". Not 'your so smart'. "You're" is a contraction of "you are", as in "you are so smart". Using 'your' is a common mistake with those learning English as a second language.
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  • kuntasensei
    kuntasensei Posts: 3,263
    edited March 2013
    Inspector 24 wrote: »
    Enjoy that puppy, and do let us know if you're able to fix the Parasound. I'd love to know what got broken!
    Tony at Parasound thinks it's just the output relays on the 2003, since it works sporadically and usually comes back if you power it off and back on. Shouldn't be more than $50 worth of parts and then it should be good to go, but I have to wait until the guy is back in town to do it. I'm just tired of hauling amps in-and-out of my equipment stand! These things are heavy! :lol:
    Equipment list:
    Onkyo TX-NR3010 9.2 AVR
    Emotiva XPA-3 amp
    Polk RTi70 mains, CSi40 center, RTi38 surrounds, RTi28 rears and heights
    SVS 20-39CS+ subwoofer powered by Crown XLS1500
    Oppo BDP-93 Blu-ray player
    DarbeeVision DVP5000 video processor
    Epson 8500UB 1080p projector
    Elite Screens Sable 120" CineWhite screen
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  • kuntasensei
    kuntasensei Posts: 3,263
    edited March 2013
    BlueFox wrote: »
    He is just trolling. Notice how there has been no "bashing" of Emotiva in this thread, but the mentally weak continue to cry that there is. Isn't it some form of mental illness when one sees things that are not there?

    Anyway, it's good to have the occasional troll, since they are amusing.
    Jhayman's continuing need to poke the bear aside, F1nut did start this train a'rolling with his unsolicited Kool-Aid comment. It's there... you can see it. If that makes me mentally weak, well... DERP! :razz:

    Not that it matters at this point, because while all this nonsense was being posted today, I screened Lincoln, Les Miserables and Life Of Pi... and am still pretty pleased with the sound of the XPA-3. I'd rather be enjoying my equipment than on here defending it... so I'm gonna' keep doing that. :wink:
    Equipment list:
    Onkyo TX-NR3010 9.2 AVR
    Emotiva XPA-3 amp
    Polk RTi70 mains, CSi40 center, RTi38 surrounds, RTi28 rears and heights
    SVS 20-39CS+ subwoofer powered by Crown XLS1500
    Oppo BDP-93 Blu-ray player
    DarbeeVision DVP5000 video processor
    Epson 8500UB 1080p projector
    Elite Screens Sable 120" CineWhite screen
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  • Loud & Clear
    Loud & Clear Posts: 1,538
    edited March 2013
    sucks2beme wrote: »
    Pick a budget and your speakers, and go with whatever works with your budget and
    sounds best. If in your case if it was EMO, then great. If your budget is bigger and it's not
    Emo, also great. I have a pretty decent SS amp, and a good tube amp. If I need lots of
    clean power, SS it is. The Hales liked power. The Proacs I'm currently running sound best
    with the ARC. Tubes in that set up win. I wasn't happy to hear of troubles with used amps.
    been there, done that. Here in DFW In have a great selection of used, new, and local dealer trade ins.
    And not having to ship amps makes me happy. The only thing worse is shipping speakers. I get to see UPS
    and Fedex drop stuff here all the time, and just last week I saw UPS slide a server off the trunk,
    and smack down flat on the street. It was ok, but it gives a pretty good picture of why stuff doesn't
    survive shipping.

    Now here's a reasonable post, posted by an adult. Let's see more of these.

    Two Channel Setup:

    Speakers: Wharfedale Opus 2-3
    Integrated Amp: Krell S-300i
    DAC: Arcam irDac
    Source: iMac
    Remote Control: iPad Mini

    3.2 Home Theater Setup:

    Fronts: Klipsch RP-160M
    Center: Klipsch RP-160M
    Subwoofer: SVS PB12NSD (X 2)
    AVR: Yamaha Aventage RX-A2030
    Blu Ray: Sony BDP-S790
    TV Source: DirecTV Genie
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  • Loud & Clear
    Loud & Clear Posts: 1,538
    edited March 2013
    kunta -

    I continue to be amazed with the quality of sound I'm getting from the upa-200 and the LSi7s. These LSi7s really nail the midrange as a 2-way bookshelf should. Every bit as good as the wharfedale diamond 10.1s in that regard, and better everywhere else; the bass these put out is tight, highs smooth and detailed as heck. The LSi9s didn't do it for me; bass/mid-bass just didn't work in my room. But the upa-200 and LSi7s are lighting it up. I could do a two-channel setup with these and be very happy. I think Emotiva may have stepped up their game with this new line of amps. No need for the risks inherent with buying old adcoms, acurus', nads, etc., ... budget amps. Not when you can get brand new ones for similar prices, with five-year warranties, and sound that is more than satisfactory. I was on the fence about this company after briefly owning the XPA-2, I admit that. I found it a bit *shouty*. But this upa-200 is a keeper and a steal for the price. Just as with Polk, where you shouldn't judge one speaker on the basis of another, it isn't wise to judge all Emotiva products on the basis of the one you've heard. But if you haven't heard ANY of their products, you should absolutely voice your opinion, as many of you have; perhaps even write professional reviews.

    Two Channel Setup:

    Speakers: Wharfedale Opus 2-3
    Integrated Amp: Krell S-300i
    DAC: Arcam irDac
    Source: iMac
    Remote Control: iPad Mini

    3.2 Home Theater Setup:

    Fronts: Klipsch RP-160M
    Center: Klipsch RP-160M
    Subwoofer: SVS PB12NSD (X 2)
    AVR: Yamaha Aventage RX-A2030
    Blu Ray: Sony BDP-S790
    TV Source: DirecTV Genie
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  • smglbrth
    smglbrth Posts: 1,495
    edited March 2013
    Loud&Clear - I noticed on the UPA-200 there are two fans in there, do they make any audible noise? I'm guessing not or you would have said something. On another note, the new XPA-1L looks neat...
    Remember, when you're running from something, you're running to something...-me
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  • Loud & Clear
    Loud & Clear Posts: 1,538
    edited March 2013
    I haven't heard any fan noise. Not sure if they've gone on yet or not. Amp feels really cool on top even after hours of continuous use. Supposedly the fan runs quiet if it does engage. Not big on fans - something that could stop working - but I get it that larger heat sinks would bring the price up.

    Yeah, I've also been eyeballing that XPA-1L. My experience with this upa-200 has really opened my eyes to their new line of amps. Of course just because one amp works for you doesn't mean that the others will. Having said that, the return policy makes it easier to audition them than it does with some other options. New, competent budget gear with a 5-year warranty and a fair return policy is very attractive to a guy like me. This coming on the heels of buying an eBay adcom 5400 that distorted badly over both channels. I was able to return it for a refund but it can sour one on going that route again.

    Two Channel Setup:

    Speakers: Wharfedale Opus 2-3
    Integrated Amp: Krell S-300i
    DAC: Arcam irDac
    Source: iMac
    Remote Control: iPad Mini

    3.2 Home Theater Setup:

    Fronts: Klipsch RP-160M
    Center: Klipsch RP-160M
    Subwoofer: SVS PB12NSD (X 2)
    AVR: Yamaha Aventage RX-A2030
    Blu Ray: Sony BDP-S790
    TV Source: DirecTV Genie
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  • kuntasensei
    kuntasensei Posts: 3,263
    edited March 2013
    If it tells you how nice the sound is with the Emo on the older RTi's that I have, a friend was over and we were watching Shameless tonight... and in one scene, there's a knock on the door that comes from the right channel... and after the second knock, he said, "You gonna get that?" When you can't tell it's on the TV show, that's pretty nice. I'm very happy with how well it's working in my room.

    Glad the UPA-200 is working with your LSi's, Loud & Clear. I used to look at LSi's all the time and think that I should snag some, but I never did. Also, I'm running a Crown XLS-1500 to power my SVS/Buttkicker setup, and I've never heard the fan come on. I'm betting you'd have to really be pushing the UPA-200 to get significant fan noise... or have it in a less-than-ideal space where heat buildup is an issue. Hell, I'm shocked at how little warmth I feel from the XPA-3, even after some punishing high-level use.
    Equipment list:
    Onkyo TX-NR3010 9.2 AVR
    Emotiva XPA-3 amp
    Polk RTi70 mains, CSi40 center, RTi38 surrounds, RTi28 rears and heights
    SVS 20-39CS+ subwoofer powered by Crown XLS1500
    Oppo BDP-93 Blu-ray player
    DarbeeVision DVP5000 video processor
    Epson 8500UB 1080p projector
    Elite Screens Sable 120" CineWhite screen
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  • mrbigbluelight
    mrbigbluelight Posts: 9,878
    edited March 2013
    Jhayman wrote: »
    Vinyl is making a big comeback now, just do a quick Google search about vinyl I did..

    Well, there's your first mistake. You should have gone to Wikipedia, The Fount of All Knowledge. Like I do. They tell me good stuff.
    Jhayman wrote: »
    Come on, are you really going to tell me vinyl did not have a HUGE decline when compact disk was introduced?

    Sort of like how there was a slight dip in record sales when the 8-track came out, especially with the introduction of the 8-track home console !! Coupled with a spring reverb ... no wonder record sales took a dip !
    Jhayman wrote: »
    Ok whatever you say, .........Watching my local news stations I have seen them actually say that Vinyl is makeing a comeback and to NOT throw out your records keep them..:cry:

    Reminds me of a local newscast last year at the scene of a trailer park that had just escaped being hit by a tornado. The on-the-scene reporter gal (Cute !) held a mic up to a resident's face and asked him, "What can you do if a tornado actually comes through the trailer park ?".
    :rolleyes:
    Luckily for her, the older gentlemen took a few seconds to respond. Assume he took those few seconds to discard his immediate and correct response of "Well, what the *#&A$#$ do you think we can do, you %#!#%@ witch ? It's a tornado in a TRAILER PARK !!".
    But he didn't. He was kind to they younger novice reporter and merely replied, "Well ....... you do the best you can.".

    My point ? Well, as hard as it might be to believe, I'd recommend that you don't base decisions in life on local news broadcasting !
    :eek: Yes, it's true !!! Stick to Wikipedia, and you'll do just fine. Kind of. For the most part.

    lightman1 wrote:
    I like funnel cakes and puppy kisses!

    Guess you'll have to wait for your local state fair on the funnel cakes. As to the puppy kisses ..... uhm ...... well, .... maybe Jhayman could help a fellow Polkie out.

    DISCLAIMER: Not that that's a bad thing.

    Well, my 15-minute work break is over, so I have to go, but :cry: ... well, don't cry about it, I'll :cry::cry: ..... okay, now you're getting :cry::cry:
    :cry: ... a little smart alecky about the whole thing ! I'm out of here !!!


    :mrgreen:



    ...... I saw that !
    Sal Palooza
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  • Jhayman
    Jhayman Posts: 1,548
    edited March 2013
    You must read a lot of picture books judging by the amount of emoticons you use.
    I feel like I'm reading broken English trying to understand your points.
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  • Jhayman
    Jhayman Posts: 1,548
    edited March 2013
    You must read a lot of picture books judging by the amount of emoticons you use.
    I feel like I'm reading broken English trying to understand your points.
    ATC SCM40's,VTL TL 2.5 Preamp,PSB Stratus Goldi's,McCormack DNA 500,McCormack MAP-1 Preamp,Pro-Ject Xtension 10 TT,Ortofon Cadenza Red/Nordost RedDawn LS Speaker cables, Bryston BDP-2, Bryston BDA-2,PS Audio AC-3 power cables
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  • sucks2beme
    sucks2beme Posts: 5,681
    edited March 2013
    Jhayman wrote: »
    You must read a lot of picture books judging by the amount of emoticons you use.
    I feel like I'm reading broken English trying to understand your points.

    You really need to take a step back and cool off , NOW.
    This thread needs to be locked.
    "The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." --Thomas Jefferson
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,877
    edited March 2013
    headrott wrote: »
    Could it be that the motive (or Emotivas:razz:) of Emo lovers is to portray non-Emo lovers as "bashing" their brand and have high hopes of getting these "Emo bashers" really really worked up to a frenzy to say something to get the "Emo bashers" banned? Could that be one of the motives (Emotivas:razz:)? Ok, maybe I'm reaching here............



    There is also the distinct possibility that Emoettes spent entirely too much time in front of giant electron tubes watching "Pinky and the Brain", thus explaining their insatiable zeal for taking over the world, and the lack of functioning grey matter within their craniums. :mrgreen:
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 26,928
    edited March 2013
    Inspector 24 wrote: »
    Allow me to butt in here and change the topic...again...

    I'm the guy the OP purchased the amp from and having been screwed by people who did a deplorable job packing a delicate 75lb peice of metal I was sure to properly protect the amp. Packing consisted of placing the amp in a garbage bag, surrounding it with a layer of 2" thick foam insulation board from Home Depot and placing it in a heavy duty Home Depot moving box. I too pictures of the packing process and even made movies of the speakers playing clearly before I packaged it up, just in case UPS were idiots.

    Pics:
    http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?137112-Parasound-HCA-2003-High-Current-220w-x3-Amp&p=1823843&viewfull=1#post1823843

    While the amp was prevented from shifting around inside the box I wonder if the foam was too firm, not able to absorb impacts and vibrations good enough, thus transmitting it into the chassis, so UPS could have dropped it fairly hard without damaging the box, but all the impact went right into the amp.

    While you did a good job of trying to protect. May I recommend Dow blue or pink rigid foam. This is much better than the bead board styrofoam. As you probably noticed when cutting that it is kind of soft and comes apart easily. In the past when I shipped amps with any type of handle I always removed them. I also put the rigid styro between the outer box and the inner box also.
    YMMV
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  • kuntasensei
    kuntasensei Posts: 3,263
    edited March 2013
    sucks2beme wrote: »
    You really need to take a step back and cool off , NOW.
    This thread needs to be locked.
    L&C and I tried to reign things back in to the matter at hand... and yet, the nonsense continues. I'd hate to see this thread end up in the hall of shame, so Jhayman, I respectfully ask that you move on. You aren't helping the situation. Thanks.
    Equipment list:
    Onkyo TX-NR3010 9.2 AVR
    Emotiva XPA-3 amp
    Polk RTi70 mains, CSi40 center, RTi38 surrounds, RTi28 rears and heights
    SVS 20-39CS+ subwoofer powered by Crown XLS1500
    Oppo BDP-93 Blu-ray player
    DarbeeVision DVP5000 video processor
    Epson 8500UB 1080p projector
    Elite Screens Sable 120" CineWhite screen
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  • kuntasensei
    kuntasensei Posts: 3,263
    edited March 2013
    pitdogg2 wrote: »
    While you did a good job of trying to protect. May I recommend Dow blue or pink rigid foam. This is much better than the bead board styrofoam. As you probably noticed when cutting that it is kind of soft and comes apart easily. In the past when I shipped amps with any type of handle I always removed them. I also put the rigid styro between the outer box and the inner box also.
    YMMV
    A friend who works for UPS once told me that anything you pack to send should be done with the idea that it needs to survive a 6-8 foot drop, since that's normally what their conveyor systems are for handling and things fall off all the time. So even if the UPS guy handles it with kid gloves, it can be beat to hell in the system.

    I thought Inspector 24 did a pretty good job of packing it, honestly (and I still have the box he sent it in). And other than the obvious signs that it had been dropped once the tech got into it (i.e. the transformer mount was skewed, meaning it was dropped on its side at some point), I don't know that the current problem (speaker output relays) could be related to shipping damage. Could've just been their time to go. No telling. Either way, it was time for me to move forward. Once it gets back in working order, I may hook it up to decide whether I should stick with it... but it's far more likely that I will sell it to someone else cheaper than I bought it, with a full disclosure of what it has been through. I'm sure it could work very nicely for someone with a little more technical knowledge or money to restore it.
    Equipment list:
    Onkyo TX-NR3010 9.2 AVR
    Emotiva XPA-3 amp
    Polk RTi70 mains, CSi40 center, RTi38 surrounds, RTi28 rears and heights
    SVS 20-39CS+ subwoofer powered by Crown XLS1500
    Oppo BDP-93 Blu-ray player
    DarbeeVision DVP5000 video processor
    Epson 8500UB 1080p projector
    Elite Screens Sable 120" CineWhite screen
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 26,928
    edited March 2013
    kuntasensei wrote: »
    A friend who works for UPS once told me that anything you pack to send should be done with the idea that it needs to survive a 6-8 foot drop, since that's normally what their conveyor systems are for handling and things fall off all the time. So even if the UPS guy handles it with kid gloves, it can be beat to hell in the system.I thought Inspector 24 did a pretty good job of packing it, honestly

    Yes i do agree that it was packed pretty good. I'm just tossing out what has worked for me time after time with not one problem yet. I deal with UPS and FEDEX drivers day in and day out. I've seen how they toss items from the front of the truck to my dock 10-12'. That is why I pack for the darn thing to fall out of the truck at speed:eek: let alone for a 6-8' drop. I once sent my TFM45,TFM25 and Carver C16 all in the same outer box from Illinois to Oregon UPS ground and that darn box was round by the time Roland got it but he said all arrived in very good condition and was the best packing he had ever seen. Roland told me in the phone call before he even opened the box how bad it was I asked that he open and inspect. My box was 40x40x40 with 4" of pink board on all sides top and bottom and 2" between each box and 1.5" inside each factory unit box with all inputs and binding post drilled out so none of those would get damaged from impact.
    Once again I'm just stating in shipping it must be bombproof and the seller did what he could.
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