The $2200 HDMI cable @ BB
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anonymouse wrote: »That is why I am always amused and saddened at the same time when people talk about those esoteric digital coaxial cables or optical cables. That 100% bar at short runs is stupid easy to achieve and any money spent above that is quite simply pi&^)ng it down the drain. Of course, there are folks that will start talking jitter, and how cables introduce it.
It's a visual and mental thing at this point. Some just want to think they have "the better one" which allows them to feel better. It's the given persons money who is being spent so they can have at it.Dan
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I have a super-cheapie 8ft HDMI cable on my BluRay right now (the only thing I had that was long enough) and it works beautifully.
As long as it passes spec , you can't get a "better one".Dan
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It's Balun (BALanced/UNbalanced). Price has come down some on them a bit, but they're still pretty steep. Otherwise I agree 100% with this. HDMI is fine for gear in the same room, but beyond that, it gets ugly. Any kind of distributed system and it all goes to hell.
I suck as spelling forgive me. You can distribute HDMI long runs but it's expensive. I have had success with Savant , Gefen and Niles. Savant makes an incredible built in matrix switch thats the fastest thing I have ever used or seen. It's as fast as a component video switch.
Ugly happens when you use "the cheaper one" in balun's or your cat 5 or 6 is not Siamese.Dan
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I have 35 FT. run....I purchases 24AWG CL2 standard speed speed HDMI cable from monoprice...have you had any issues with their cables?
Yes I have I have some luck and some not so lucky installs with their cables. I had a customer who wanted to run all his own wires in his basement. Basement got finished with drywall. There was 4 TV's wired to a main gear closet. We wired the theater and speakers around the basement. These where Monoprice cables he purchased online. We Installed the TV's and tested the cables only to find 2 out of the 4 cables didn't work or pass signal. Customer had to eat the price of the cables plus pay for new ones and labor to run them. We had to make several holes in the drywall to fish these cables.
I don't trust hardly anyones HDMI cables as I had my fair share of failed cables in the field. Mostly off brands like monoprice. I perfer to run high quality high speed then 1.3 only and now 1.4 only spec cables and test them before the walls go up.Dan
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I've purchased 6 HDMI cables from Monoprice and 2 of those 6 were bad. Even with having to buy a spare, they're still cheaper than most store brands."He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche
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I don't trust hardly anyones HDMI cables as I had my fair share of failed cables in the field. Mostly off brands like monoprice. I perfer to run high quality high speed then 1.3 only and now 1.4 only spec cables and test them before the walls go up.
Which brands do you trust and have you ever used the Belden/Bluejeans and your opinion on them?
Comcast (I have their Triple Play) uses Corpartner HDMI cables which is the largest cable manufacturer in the world, most likely makes the same cable stock for Monster and Audioquest, but Copartner is a official HDMI authorized wire so they are a legit. Copartner cables only cost $2 to $5 bucks, so the problem is Monster and Audioquest charging $500 for their name on it.
I have a Bluejeans Series F2 and a Copartner, both are very good. I will buy Bluejeans for now on as they are mostly made in the U.S. and all of their profit stays in the U.S. -
Mantis trusts and reco's whatever brand he works for at the time. Thankfully it's been good stuff for ages. Even his low end is decent.CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
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anonymouse wrote: »That is why I am always amused and saddened at the same time when people talk about those esoteric digital coaxial cables or optical cables. That 100% bar at short runs is stupid easy to achieve and any money spent above that is quite simply pi&^)ng it down the drain. Of course, there are folks that will start talking jitter, and how cables introduce it.
I've always found this pretty amusing myself. I've heard so many people talk about the differences between coax/optical cables...and I just find it impossible to believe that these differences exist.
I have probably 7-8 different digital cables on hand...both coax and optical. I've got two different AQ coax cables, a Monster coax cable...and also an AQ optical cable and a Monster optical cable...a Signal coax cable...and a couple other ones as well. I've compared them all extensively and have never heard a single iota of a difference between any of them. They're all pretty nice cables too...not the cheapest of the cheap...so that point can't really be used as a reason as to why I didn't hear any differences. I couldn't even hear any difference whatsoever between coax and optical cables. As others have said, it's a digital signal. As long as the signal can be passed without degradation, it will be a perfect signal...and the cable will have no effect whatsoever on the sound.
A lot of you have reported hearing differences in your digital cables though...Personally, I believe your imaging these differences, or wanting to hear a difference so bad that you make yourself hear a difference. But, if you hear an improvement, it's still an improvement...even if it is imaginary, so more power to ya.
All I know is that I've bought the last coax cable that I'll ever need to buy...unless somehow all of my various digital cable manage to go bad eventually...which I don't anticipate.
I know a lot of you will disagree, but that's my $.02The nirvana inducer-
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digitalvideo wrote: »Which brands do you trust and have you ever used the Belden/Bluejeans and your opinion on them?
Comcast (I have their Triple Play) uses Corpartner HDMI cables which is the largest cable manufacturer in the world, most likely makes the same cable stock for Monster and Audioquest, but Copartner is a official HDMI authorized wire so they are a legit. Copartner cables only cost $2 to $5 bucks, so the problem is Monster and Audioquest charging $500 for their name on it.
I have a Bluejeans Series F2 and a Copartner, both are very good. I will buy Bluejeans for now on as they are mostly made in the U.S. and all of their profit stays in the U.S.
For HDMI cables I trust Audioquest as they have never gave me a bad cable. I have been Installing Audioquest for years and never had 1 bad cable from them of any kind.
As far as Bluejeans or Belden , I have used Belden cables for over a decade. They make very good solid affordable excellent performing cables. I have little experience with Blujeans cables as only when one of my customers purchases them online and I install them into their system.
Most online wire companies just buy others wire and terminate themselves and put their name on it. I do that myself but don't put my name on the wire.
As a custom Installer I build most of my cables I use in the field. Proper termination is what most of the time separates a good cable from a bad one.
I'm not a fan of the business model over at Monstercable but they built high quality cables with no failures as far as I'm concerned. There cables always work. Companies you get wires that fail usually have flaws in there lines. Thats why I stay away from off brand cables. Yo never know what you are going to get. I don't have time for broken cables.Dan
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I've purchased 6 HDMI cables from Monoprice and 2 of those 6 were bad. Even with having to buy a spare, they're still cheaper than most store brands.
That says a lot about that company. I wouldn't use them ever. Cheap is cheap.Dan
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That says a lot about that company. I wouldn't use them ever. Cheap is cheap.
Well, I'm 1 for 1 with monoprice. 35' from receiver to projector. Not quite in-wall, though. I built a channel up near the ceiling for if/when I ever need to replace it. I'm only expecting to have to do that in the event that future gear uses different technology/cabling. It'll all probably be wireless by then... -
There must be a hang up somewhere else then.comfortablycurt wrote: »I have probably 7-8 different digital cables on hand...both coax and optical. I've got two different AQ coax cables, a Monster coax cable...and also an AQ optical cable and a Monster optical cable...a Signal coax cable...and a couple other ones as well. I've compared them all extensively and have never heard a single iota of a difference between any of them."He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche -
As far as Bluejeans or Belden , I have used Belden cables for over a decade. They make very good solid affordable excellent performing cables. I have little experience with Blujeans cables as only when one of my customers purchases them online and I install them into their system.
Most online wire companies just buy others wire and terminate themselves and put their name on it. I do that myself but don't put my name on the wire.
Never had any issues with Belden, Liberty, Gepco, Mogami, Canare. They all build quality cable that hit there spec.
Strung / Terminated plenty of fiber for data applications also. Cable just needs to hit it's bandwidth spec and maintain your bend radius. -
Proper termination is what most of the time separates a good cable from a bad one.
And I would also guess the less the number of terminations/connectors, the better. ie If you can just snake an HDMI or speaker cable through a wall vs. installing a box and adding another set of connectors to the equation, I chose going with the cable runs with only 2 connectors on the entire run of cable. Something like this works well, but may not work for everyone's aesthetic needs:
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=105&cp_id=10425&cs_id=1042505&p_id=4001&seq=1&format=2 -
A couple of times when I was at BB and I saw people grabbing those $69 HDMI cables I whispered over to them don't do it. Go to monoprice.com
lol...I've done similar things at stores when I've seen people looking at Bose speakers!:biggrin:The nirvana inducer-
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A couple of times when I was at BB and I saw people grabbing those $69 HDMI cables I whispered over to them don't do it. Go to monoprice.com
My sister also fell for the trap and listened to the salesguy and bought a $69 HDMI cable. I told her do not open it. She bought 4 with shipping and it was less than the best buy one. She returned the BB one.
LOL...the folks at Fry's hate me for doing that...I go in just to peruse and sometimes cant help myself from correcting them....
I had some guy that worked there tell me that you cant get HDMI audio from a blu-ray player unless it has blu-ray live or profile 2.0. He also tried to say unless you had HDMI 1.4 cables it wouldnt work either......
After correcting him I ruined a HDMI cable sale for him by mentioning monoprice...."....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963) -
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I can't wait for HDMI to be history.
When Lightspeed (from Intel) matures some more, we may be able to see some replacements."Dr Dunn admitted that his research could also be interpreted as evidence that women are shallower than men. He said: "Let's face it - there's evidence to support it."
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mdaudioguy wrote: »Well, I'm 1 for 1 with monoprice. 35' from receiver to projector. Not quite in-wall, though. I built a channel up near the ceiling for if/when I ever need to replace it. I'm only expecting to have to do that in the event that future gear uses different technology/cabling. It'll all probably be wireless by then...
I'm 6 for 6 with monoprice HDMI cables (8ft and below only though). I also buy all of my cables from them, from ethernet to coax. In general, if all you need is to connect devices that are right next to each other, you can't go wrong with Monoprice.
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o."Dr Dunn admitted that his research could also be interpreted as evidence that women are shallower than men. He said: "Let's face it - there's evidence to support it."
My System:Best Buy is for people who don't know any better. Magnolia is for people who don't know any better and have more money to spend.
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comfortablycurt wrote: »I've always found this pretty amusing myself. I've heard so many people talk about the differences between coax/optical cables...and I just find it impossible to believe that these differences exist.
I have probably 7-8 different digital cables on hand...both coax and optical. I've got two different AQ coax cables, a Monster coax cable...and also an AQ optical cable and a Monster optical cable...a Signal coax cable...and a couple other ones as well. I've compared them all extensively and have never heard a single iota of a difference between any of them. They're all pretty nice cables too...not the cheapest of the cheap...so that point can't really be used as a reason as to why I didn't hear any differences. I couldn't even hear any difference whatsoever between coax and optical cables. As others have said, it's a digital signal. As long as the signal can be passed without degradation, it will be a perfect signal...and the cable will have no effect whatsoever on the sound.
A lot of you have reported hearing differences in your digital cables though...Personally, I believe your imaging these differences, or wanting to hear a difference so bad that you make yourself hear a difference. But, if you hear an improvement, it's still an improvement...even if it is imaginary, so more power to ya.
All I know is that I've bought the last coax cable that I'll ever need to buy...unless somehow all of my various digital cable manage to go bad eventually...which I don't anticipate.
I know a lot of you will disagree, but that's my $.02
I agree. I tried, Signal, AQ and Blue Jeans digital cables. I couldn't tell the difference. -
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003SS7XKG/ref=oss_product
Anyone have any experience with "Aurum" brand HDMI cables? I got one from Amazon in 10' length with an angle plug on one end for a low price. This one looks almost like AQ stuff with a red/black braided sheathing. Haven't opened the package yet so it can still be returned if need be.
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^I don't, but it's cheap and good looking. If it works, you can't go wrong.
I may order a few to try myself.I don't read the newsssspaperssss because dey aaaallllllllll...... have ugly print.
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concealer404 wrote: »^I don't, but it's cheap and good looking. If it works, you can't go wrong.
I may order a few to try myself.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0011TM19C/ref=oss_product
Ive used these for 2 years with zero problems and would've gotten another if they'd had angled ones listed. Can't get much cheaper than these.Ferrite cores to boot !:biggrin: -
They don't LOOK cool, though.
I don't read the newsssspaperssss because dey aaaallllllllll...... have ugly print.
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concealer404 wrote: »They don't LOOK cool, though.
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Just as a brief side note, if you haven't read the "Customer Reviews",
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/AudioQuest+-+Coffee+39.4%27+HDMI+Cable+-+White/1267764.p?id=1218245464814&skuId=1267764#tabbed-customerreviews
please do so.
Bookmark that page. In the future, if you're having a bad day, click the link and read the "reviews" again. It'll help to make your day.
Why hasn't BB deep-sixed the comments ? Because, IMO, it's done so expertly, tongue-in-cheek, that either they don't realize it (which is a possibility !) or they figure leave them up: they're all so "praiseworthy" that maybe some palooka will buy a set.
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mrbigbluelight wrote: »Just as a brief side note, if you haven't read the "Customer Reviews",
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/AudioQuest+-+Coffee+39.4%27+HDMI+Cable+-+White/1267764.p?id=1218245464814&skuId=1267764#tabbed-customerreviews
please do so.
Bookmark that page. In the future, if you're having a bad day, click the link and read the "reviews" again. It'll help to make your day.
Wasn't that were this thread started...? We've circled back.
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mdaudioguy wrote: »Wasn't that were this thread started...? We've circled back.
That is correct ! (I forgot, though after 3 pages :redface: )
But seriously: the "Customer Reviews" are simply works of literary art.
If Mark Twain were still alive and read them, he'd have tears in his eyes.
"I knew tethered with my Insignia TV and DVD player, I was going to be able to watch The A-Team reruns in all their glory. It is the ultimate; it is the “God” cable! I was then sold Black Tie protection on the cable and not the TV!
What's great about it: I think I saw Jesus when I tied it around my neck
What's not so great: It only comes in white. I wanted Fireball Fuchsia."
I'll be the first to admit, my sense of humor is skewed at about 89.9 degrees from normal. But son of a ...... gun, these reviewers should get some sort of gift certificate from BB !Sal Palooza -
I have 35 FT. run....I purchases 24AWG CL2 standard speed speed HDMI cable from monoprice...have you had any issues with their cables?
I'll see your 35 ft and raise you 15 ft. 50 foot Monoprice HDMI and no problems at all.:biggrin:"Don't forget to change your politician. They are like diapers they need to be changed regularly, and for the same reason."
