The $2200 HDMI cable @ BB

jinjuku
jinjuku Posts: 1,523
edited February 2011 in Electronics
Read the comments left (they're trolls, every last one of em!)

AudioQuest 39.4' Coffee HDMI Cable.

Yes this is all meant in jest:tongue::smile::biggrin:
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,576
    edited January 2011
    What a waste of money.
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  • FTGV
    FTGV Posts: 3,650
    edited January 2011
    OK,I admit those reviews were funny.
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,893
    edited January 2011
    dorokusai wrote: »
    What a waste of money.

    Are you saying cables don't matter Doro? :tongue:
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,576
    edited January 2011
    nooshinjohn wrote: »
    Are you saying cables don't matter Doro? :tongue:

    $2200 for an HDMI cable? Yes, that's just plain hogwash.
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  • pearsall001
    pearsall001 Posts: 5,249
    edited January 2011
    dorokusai wrote: »
    $2200 for an HDMI cable? Yes, that's just plain hogwash.

    Not if it was from MIT! :biggrin::wink::rolleyes:
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  • mdaudioguy
    mdaudioguy Posts: 5,165
    edited January 2011
    Does BB even sell anything worthy of connecting to each end?
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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,326
    edited January 2011
    I'm probably the biggest Audioquest fan on this website and I would not spend that kind of money for a HDMI cable no matter the length or what it was supposed to do over another HDMI 1.4 High speed audio return ethernet spec'd cable.

    Nor would I from any other wire company
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,576
    edited January 2011
    pearsall001 wrote: »
    Not if it was from MIT! :biggrin::wink::rolleyes:

    I've never spent over 1K on a MIT cable. I'm pretty sure were talking two different application....and cables.
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  • Monster Jam
    Monster Jam Posts: 919
    edited January 2011
    Blows that ridiculous Denon HDMI cable I saw years ago out of the water.


    http://usa.denon.com/us/Product/Pages/Product-Detail.aspx?Catid=5840d55c-4077-4d9e-9421-36f204fb4587&SubId=85958de8-a123-4213-8ae1-bb6afaee9a97&ProductId=95a5e291-8dde-48ae-bcaa-3f267bfe513e
    Do you hear that buzzing noise? :confused:
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  • Fongolio
    Fongolio Posts: 3,516
    edited January 2011
    If you need 36 month financing for any cable to do any thing you are in waaaaay over your head. A couple years ago the CBC (Canadian television network) did a news story on the upsell of big box retailers salesmen on the sale of HDMI cables (specifically Monster). Independent lab testing proved that no measurable gain in picture quality or sound quality was seen between the extremely high priced HDMI's and the cheapy bargain store ones. The only real difference was in build quality but the boxes and the salesmen were talking about way better picture and sound quality.

    Now I'm not trying to start a cable debate but I've tried expenisive HDMI and cheapo and my results were exactly the same. No perceivable difference. Both were given months in the system using both video and audio. Interconnects and speaker wires are a different story but with HDMI the only reason I see to buy the more expensive ones is durability. For the $2200 they want for that cable it had better give me 3D without the glasses.
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  • bigaudiofanatic
    bigaudiofanatic Posts: 4,415
    edited January 2011
    My entire setup was less than that cable.
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,893
    edited January 2011
    anonymouse wrote: »
    The noise floor is much lower with that cable, and your TV looks at least 50% wider than it actually is. If you have not tried it, then shut yer traps.

    LMAO!:tongue:
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  • digitalvideo
    digitalvideo Posts: 983
    edited January 2011
    I'm all for capitalism, competition and free markets but some of these "marketers" need to be prosecuted for extortion and other frivolous claims.

    I guarantee those Audioquest cables were made in China or Southeast Asia by Copartner which is the largest cable manufacturer in the world and makes most the cables for most companies, which are $2 to $5 dollar cables.

    If you go to HDMI.org's website they list only the certified authorized HDMI companies that have the HDMI seal of approval that sent their cables through HDMI testing labs, if that company is not on the list then they aren't officially a HDMI wire company. Audioquest and Monster aren't listed.

    Look under "HDMI Adopters"

    http://www.hdmi.org/learningcenter/adopters_founders.aspx

    Stick with Bluejeans/Belden cables which are mostly made in the U.S. and all it's profit stays in the U.S. and HDMI certified.

    http://www.bluejeanscable.com/
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  • digitalvideo
    digitalvideo Posts: 983
    edited January 2011
    Look at one of the comments someone posted on that website:
    wrote:
    "I think people are balking at this very low price tag wondering if they should "slum it" with some coffee-colored cabling. What people arent realizing is....IT ALSO HAS ETHERNET WITH IT! I mean, read on the cable itself....w/ ETHERNET! I think they could easily get 20-, 30-, or 40-times the price.Dont worry about those 10-buck Wal*Mart cables. Pony up the loot to get this from the best place on planet Earth....Best Buy!If you apply for their credit card right now, not only with your credit rating drop some points, but you will also get 10% off the."

    HAHAHA! He has to be working for BestBuy. I GUARANTEE you those are workers at Best Buy typing in those comments.

    All HDMI cables today rated certified Category 2 High Speed for 1.4 equipment have Ethernet, you can get them for $3 bucks.
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  • digitalvideo
    digitalvideo Posts: 983
    edited January 2011
    Now this one's the kicker, look at what this guy said:
    wrote:
    I went ahead and splurged on this cable as a "gift to me" at Christmas... it's been wonderful. However, I would definitely suggest taking out an insurance policy on this cable. I now pay an additional 50$ a month on my home owners policy just for the peace of mind that this thing is protected. (I had to give up my health insurance to cover the additional cost but hey, who has time to get sick when your watching the most premium picture quality a cable can provide.)

    I hope this guy is being facetious. :eek:
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  • pearsall001
    pearsall001 Posts: 5,249
    edited January 2011
    dorokusai wrote: »
    I've never spent over 1K on a MIT cable. I'm pretty sure were talking two different application....and cables.

    Just tongue in cheek fun. MIT is certainly way up there also with some of their crazy priced cables. Nothing like catering to folks with deep pockets & a tin ear.
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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,326
    edited January 2011
    HDMI is difficult to do at longer runs. I have used cheaper cables that failed. Good quality cables are necessary over 15 feet. I have not seen a built HDMI cable go over 15 meters and work correctly. At these lengths we use either dual cat5e or cat6 with Baul in's or RGBHV with Baul in's. These devices add 5v to the signal to push it those extreme lengths.
    When running HDMI around larger houses or when gear in a theater lives in another room , longer cables are needed. The baul in's can cost upwards of 300-500 dollars plus the cost of the RGHV which could go as high as 500 dollars or about 150 for dual cat 5 or6. At the extreme length of 220 feet with RGBHV using very high quality cable plus Baul in your looking around 1000 bucks give or take a few bucks per run max.

    HDMI is a flawed technology that fails if not done properly. Many companies out there fail to pass the HDMI test.

    At 39 feet , you will be spending about 300.00 buck a good high quality cable that will pass HDMI 1.4 spec's and be high speed and certified. At this point nothing you can do to that cable will give you any performance gains. Once the signal can pass 100% you can't do any more. This is the goal and it has been met.
    Test all you want as I have as in the beginning I thought as analog does the higher quality cable you have the better chance you have in retaining the signal purity. Digital cables of all kinds can not be "better audio or video performance" cables once the signal has been transferred correctly. There is nothing you can do to make sonic or visual improvements. Nothing it's a pure digital signal.
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  • inspiredsports
    inspiredsports Posts: 5,502
    edited January 2011
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  • Fongolio
    Fongolio Posts: 3,516
    edited January 2011
    mantis wrote: »
    HDMI is difficult to do at longer runs. I have used cheaper cables that failed. Good quality cables are necessary over 15 feet. I have not seen a built HDMI cable go over 15 meters and work correctly. At these lengths we use either dual cat5e or cat6 with Baul in's or RGBHV with Baul in's. These devices add 5v to the signal to push it those extreme lengths.
    When running HDMI around larger houses or when gear in a theater lives in another room , longer cables are needed. The baul in's can cost upwards of 300-500 dollars plus the cost of the RGHV which could go as high as 500 dollars or about 150 for dual cat 5 or6. At the extreme length of 220 feet with RGBHV using very high quality cable plus Baul in your looking around 1000 bucks give or take a few bucks per run max.

    HDMI is a flawed technology that fails if not done properly. Many companies out there fail to pass the HDMI test.

    At 39 feet , you will be spending about 300.00 buck a good high quality cable that will pass HDMI 1.4 spec's and be high speed and certified. At this point nothing you can do to that cable will give you any performance gains. Once the signal can pass 100% you can't do any more. This is the goal and it has been met.
    Test all you want as I have as in the beginning I thought as analog does the higher quality cable you have the better chance you have in retaining the signal purity. Digital cables of all kinds can not be "better audio or video performance" cables once the signal has been transferred correctly. There is nothing you can do to make sonic or visual improvements. Nothing it's a pure digital signal.

    Good post. It all makes good sense and comes from a guy with experience. Thank you.
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  • jinjuku
    jinjuku Posts: 1,523
    edited January 2011
    mantis wrote: »
    HDMI is difficult to do at longer runs. I have used cheaper cables that failed. Good quality cables are necessary over 15 feet. I have not seen a built HDMI cable go over 15 meters and work correctly. At these lengths we use either dual cat5e or cat6 with Baul in's or RGBHV with Baul in's. These devices add 5v to the signal to push it those extreme lengths.

    Funny how if you have a computer based H.264 file the long runs aren't a problem.
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  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,545
    edited January 2011
    I have a super-cheapie 8ft HDMI cable on my BluRay right now (the only thing I had that was long enough) and it works beautifully.
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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited January 2011
    I wonder if it comes in a 50 foot length and how much that costs?
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  • unc2701
    unc2701 Posts: 3,587
    edited January 2011
    mantis wrote: »
    HDMI is difficult to do at longer runs. I have used cheaper cables that failed. Good quality cables are necessary over 15 feet. I have not seen a built HDMI cable go over 15 meters and work correctly. At these lengths we use either dual cat5e or cat6 with Baul in's or RGBHV with Baul in's. These devices add 5v to the signal to push it those extreme lengths.
    When running HDMI around larger houses or when gear in a theater lives in another room , longer cables are needed. The baul in's can cost upwards of 300-500 dollars plus the cost of the RGHV which could go as high as 500 dollars or about 150 for dual cat 5 or6. At the extreme length of 220 feet with RGBHV using very high quality cable plus Baul in your looking around 1000 bucks give or take a few bucks per run max.

    HDMI is a flawed technology that fails if not done properly. Many companies out there fail to pass the HDMI test.

    At 39 feet , you will be spending about 300.00 buck a good high quality cable that will pass HDMI 1.4 spec's and be high speed and certified. At this point nothing you can do to that cable will give you any performance gains. Once the signal can pass 100% you can't do any more. This is the goal and it has been met.
    Test all you want as I have as in the beginning I thought as analog does the higher quality cable you have the better chance you have in retaining the signal purity. Digital cables of all kinds can not be "better audio or video performance" cables once the signal has been transferred correctly. There is nothing you can do to make sonic or visual improvements. Nothing it's a pure digital signal.

    It's Balun (BALanced/UNbalanced). Price has come down some on them a bit, but they're still pretty steep. Otherwise I agree 100% with this. HDMI is fine for gear in the same room, but beyond that, it gets ugly. Any kind of distributed system and it all goes to hell.
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  • kevhed72
    kevhed72 Posts: 5,136
    edited January 2011
    mantis wrote: »
    HDMI is difficult to do at longer runs. I have used cheaper cables that failed. Good quality cables are necessary over 15 feet. I have not seen a built HDMI cable go over 15 meters and work correctly. At these lengths we use either dual cat5e or cat6 with Baul in's or RGBHV with Baul in's. These devices add 5v to the signal to push it those extreme lengths.
    When running HDMI around larger houses or when gear in a theater lives in another room , longer cables are needed. The baul in's can cost upwards of 300-500 dollars plus the cost of the RGHV which could go as high as 500 dollars or about 150 for dual cat 5 or6. At the extreme length of 220 feet with RGBHV using very high quality cable plus Baul in your looking around 1000 bucks give or take a few bucks per run max.

    HDMI is a flawed technology that fails if not done properly. Many companies out there fail to pass the HDMI test.

    At 39 feet , you will be spending about 300.00 buck a good high quality cable that will pass HDMI 1.4 spec's and be high speed and certified. At this point nothing you can do to that cable will give you any performance gains. Once the signal can pass 100% you can't do any more. This is the goal and it has been met.
    Test all you want as I have as in the beginning I thought as analog does the higher quality cable you have the better chance you have in retaining the signal purity. Digital cables of all kinds can not be "better audio or video performance" cables once the signal has been transferred correctly. There is nothing you can do to make sonic or visual improvements. Nothing it's a pure digital signal.

    I have 35 FT. run....I purchases 24AWG CL2 standard speed speed HDMI cable from monoprice...have you had any issues with their cables?
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  • digitalvideo
    digitalvideo Posts: 983
    edited January 2011
    Belden & Blue Jeans Cable Shatter HDMI Record:
    wrote:
    OK, well it's not exactly something Guinness was excited about, but Belden did manage to run 1080p/60 signal through an unamplified 100-foot run of HDMI cable. That's about 30 meters for anyone majoring in metric-to-SEA conversion ratios - and far beyond what is considered possible in terms of unamplified HDMI capabilities.

    http://www.audioholics.com/news/industry-news/belden-blue-jeans-cable-shatter-hdmi-record

    Belden/Bluejeans Runs An Unamplified 1080p/60 Digital Video Signal Over 100ft of Connectorized HDMI Cable:

    http://www.hdtvmagazine.com/news/2009/06/belden_runs_an_unamplified_1080p60_digital_video_signal_over_100ft_of_connectorized_hdmi_cable.php
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  • digitalvideo
    digitalvideo Posts: 983
    edited January 2011
    Digital Foundry vs. HDMI video
    wrote:
    To conclude then, it's fair to say that the advent of HDMI has effectively made the era of stupendously expensive AV cables with dubious-quality claims somewhat obsolete. That £1.50 (including delivery) cable from Amazon will do sterling work for your Xbox 360, PlayStation 3 or media PC - and if it is in some way not up to the job, you'll see it immediately in the form of obtrusive digital artifacting. Only if you're attempting some seriously long connections will a custom cable be required - and even then, the chances are there is an inexpensive version available that will do the job just fine.

    http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-vs-hdmi?page=1

    Enough said
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited January 2011
    I can't wait for HDMI to be history.
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  • Willow
    Willow Posts: 11,223
    edited January 2011
    Whitney Houston DVDs ...... :biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::eek:
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  • kevhed72
    kevhed72 Posts: 5,136
    edited January 2011
    digitalvideo wrote: »
    Belden & Blue Jeans Cable Shatter HDMI Record:



    http://www.audioholics.com/news/industry-news/belden-blue-jeans-cable-shatter-hdmi-record

    Belden/Bluejeans Runs An Unamplified 1080p/60 Digital Video Signal Over 100ft of Connectorized HDMI Cable:

    http://www.hdtvmagazine.com/news/2009/06/belden_runs_an_unamplified_1080p60_digital_video_signal_over_100ft_of_connectorized_hdmi_cable.php

    Thanks...I think my 24AWG 35ft run should be good to go....
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  • polkfarmboy
    polkfarmboy Posts: 5,703
    edited January 2011
    Oh man .... them reviews on best buy are awesome

    I cant believebest buy has not deleted them from its site
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