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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited March 2010
    George Grand wrote: »
    Just my opinion.

    Understood, but I value your opinions in such matters.
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  • Knucklehead
    Knucklehead Posts: 3,602
    edited March 2010
    How about any of the Hard rock/metal drummers....Nicko McBrain for example.
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  • George Grand
    George Grand Posts: 12,258
    edited March 2010
    Knucklehead wrote: »
    How about any of the Hard rock/metal drummers....Nicko McBrain for example.

    Bangers and slashers. No finesse.

    You want to see a guy that can light a set of drums on fire? Finesse and power?
    The first time I saw him play, Zappa introduced him as "My two new drummers."
    Aynsley Dunbar. Awful lot of people wanted this guy in the studio for their first album. Downbeat Musician of the Year in '77 because of all the expertise he lent in the studio.

    Just my opinion.
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  • Knucklehead
    Knucklehead Posts: 3,602
    edited March 2010
    I will check that out George...Im a big Iron Maiden fan thats why I mentioned Nicko. :)
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  • George Grand
    George Grand Posts: 12,258
    edited March 2010
    Everybody is entitled to their own likes and dislikes. To say a guy who has played with the same band and no others his whole career, playing nothing more than a style of music that is slightly outdated, is the world's greatest drummer is laughable.

    "But he plays for MY favorite band and has a song called "Anatomy of a Drum Solo!"

    BFD.
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  • Knucklehead
    Knucklehead Posts: 3,602
    edited March 2010
    From Wiki....

    McBrain is frequently included in top drummer league tables and rankings as a result of his very influential and skillful performances in studio and on stage, as illustrated in Rolling Stone's 100 Greatest Drummers Of All Time, where McBrain was placed at No. 38.[3][4] In Total-Drums' 100 Best Rock Drummers Ever, McBrain was placed at No. 28,[5] and similarly well ranked in EveryDrummer.com's Top 50 Drummers Of All Time, where he was at No. 26[6]. Recently, he has been ranked at No. 18 in Rhythm Magazine's 50 Greatest Drummers Of All Time [7].

    Just sayin....
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited March 2010
    Carl Palmer would rank in MY top five rock drummers. Of course that opinion is based soley on MY criteria and MY perspective. He would be joined by John Bonham, Stewart Copeland, Keith Moon and Benny Benjamin in no particular order.

    In the conversation would be Pert, Carmine Appice, Jeff Parcaro and Bill Bruford.

    Again...JMO.
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  • George Grand
    George Grand Posts: 12,258
    edited March 2010
    shack wrote: »
    Carl Palmer would rank in MY top five rock drummers. Of course that opinion is based soley on MY criteria and MY perspective. He would be joined by John Bonham, Stewart Copeland, Keith Moon and Benny Benjamin in no particular order.

    And that's that!

    My favorite, and my vote for "Best", would be two different names anyway. Do I think my favorite is "the best"? No. But he is my favorite.

    I know I've recounted it here previously but ...

    When I asked the greatest drummer that ever lived if I could have one of his sticks in 1977, I thought he was going to beat the **** out of me. When I asked my favorite for one of his sticks in 1972, well I still have that stick to this day. Regal Tip 5B/wooden tip.
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited March 2010
    George Grand wrote: »
    And that's that!

    My favorite, and my vote for "Best", would be two different names anyway. Do I think my favorite is "the best"? No. But he is my favorite.

    I know I've recounted it here previously but ...

    When I asked the greatest drummer that ever lived if I could have one of his sticks in 1977, I thought he was going to beat the **** out of me. When I asked my favorite for one of his sticks in 1972, well I still have that stick to this day. Regal Tip 5B/wooden tip.

    Cool! I'm going to hazard a guess that Buddy Rich makes one of your top two!
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  • m1aman
    m1aman Posts: 143
    edited March 2010
    During the seventies there was a rock band that sold more albums than anyone in any field of music. More then Elvis, KISS, Frampton, Bee Gees, Sinatra, Babs or anyone else. All of this even though they disbanded in 1975. (they did release an album in 76 after they broke up)

    But I dare not say their name or I will probably be banned from this forum. And yet to my knowledge they have never received a single vote for the HOF.
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  • George Grand
    George Grand Posts: 12,258
    edited March 2010
    m1aman wrote: »
    But I dare not say their name or I will probably be banned from this forum. And yet to my knowledge they have never received a single vote for the HOF.

    Because they're really terrible?
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited March 2010
    m1aman wrote: »
    During the seventies there was a rock band that sold more albums than anyone in any field of music. More then Elvis, KISS, Frampton, Bee Gees, Sinatra, Babs or anyone else. All of this even though they disbanded in 1975. (they did release an album in 76 after they broke up)

    But I dare not say their name or I will probably be banned from this forum. And yet to my knowledge they have never received a single vote for the HOF.

    I give up, who is it?
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited March 2010
    Well the top 5 artists based on album sales are The Beatles, Elvis, MJ, ABBA and Queen (in that order).
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  • m1aman
    m1aman Posts: 143
    edited March 2010
    Yes, some considered them terrible. Yet the people loved them. They sold out Shea Stadium faster than the Beatles and they got kicked off of Led Zepplins tour because the crowds booed Zepplin after hearing this band. All true, I swear it. The band was Grand Funk Railroad.

    Now let me put on my steel pot.
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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,211
    edited March 2010
    My vote would be for Insane Clown Posse but they are not on your list..
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  • m1aman
    m1aman Posts: 143
    edited March 2010
    As for the poll I would go with Rush. It's hard to fathom how three guys can produce such a wall of sound. Saw them once on tour and I was in awe.
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  • George Grand
    George Grand Posts: 12,258
    edited March 2010
    m1aman wrote: »
    As for the poll I would go with Rush. It's hard to fathom how three guys can produce such a wall of sound. Saw them once on tour and I was in awe.

    Nuts! I thought you were credible till this.
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  • nadams
    nadams Posts: 5,877
    edited March 2010
    TOOLFORLIFEFAN wrote: »
    My vote would be for Insane Clown Posse but they are not on your list..

    Are you kidding me?! With such hits as "What is a Juggalo?" (with such thought inspiring lyrics as "Oh, he gets butt-naked
    And then he walks through the streets
    Winking at the freaks
    With a two-liter stuck in his butt-cheeks ")

    Sorry... I thought ICP was humerous in my juvenile Middle School years, when my brother was blasting it in his Dodge Colt with the 12" subs in the back.
    Ludicrous gibs!
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  • danz1906
    danz1906 Posts: 5,144
    edited March 2010
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  • daboyz
    daboyz Posts: 5,207
    edited March 2010
    George,I love ya man but Rush is a very good live act. I've seen them 5 times and have never left a concert feeling that it wasn't worth my money. Maybe it's a generational thing since you're such an old ****.:p:D

    Please don't bozo me!!!!!:)
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  • nadams
    nadams Posts: 5,877
    edited March 2010
    Okay, I'll take up the "RUSH" cheer :D

    I just finished up Hemispheres at top volume and it was goood.... trying to decide if I should crank another, or give the neighbors some respite at 10pm
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited March 2010
    m1aman wrote:
    During the seventies there was a rock band that sold more albums than anyone in any field of music. More then Elvis, KISS, Frampton, Bee Gees, Sinatra, Babs or anyone else. All of this even though they disbanded in 1975. (they did release an album in 76 after they broke up)


    While they had lots of Gold and Platinum albums...they never reached the mega sales of many of the major groups. Their total album sales are estimated to be between 25-40 million. Here are a few groups that had a single album with that many albums sold during the 70s...

    Pink Floyd - The Dark Side of the Moon - 1973 - 45 million
    Meat Loaf - Bat out of Hell - 1977 - 43 million
    Eagles - Their Greatest Hits (1971–1975) - 1976 - 42 million
    Fleetwood Mac - Rumours - 1977 - 40 million
    Led Zeppelin - Led Zeppelin IV - 1971 - 37 million

    Nice band (I have 6 of their albums)...but your facts are a little off.
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited March 2010
    m1aman wrote: »
    Yes, some considered them terrible. Yet the people loved them. They sold out Shea Stadium faster than the Beatles and they got kicked off of Led Zepplins tour because the crowds booed Zepplin after hearing this band. All true, I swear it. The band was Grand Funk Railroad.

    Now let me put on my steel pot.

    Honest to goodness I was thinking Grand Funk! They were great!
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  • m1aman
    m1aman Posts: 143
    edited March 2010
    shack wrote: »

    Nice band (I have 6 of their albums)...but your facts are a little off.

    I got my information from "Hit Parade" of the day. I didn't count myself though. The media always hated Grand Funk and still do. That is why so many lame **** bands that aren't even rock bands get in and GFR doesn't.
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited March 2010
    m1aman wrote:
    The media always hated Grand Funk and still do. That is why so many lame **** bands that aren't even rock bands get in and GFR doesn't.

    That was the popular "myth" of the day. GFRR played it up with the us vs the critics angle. Their fans ate it up and made them that much more loyal. Truth is...they got quite a bit of decent press.
    m1aman wrote:
    That is why so many lame **** bands that aren't even rock bands get in and GFR doesn't.

    There are a few artists in the RRHOF that I wouldn't have in...but the vast majority deserve to be there. Rock and Roll is a very subjective term and covers a very wide spectrum of music. There is no grand conspiracy to keep GFRR out of the HOF...just a fairly diverse opinion as to their qualifications. They were good no doubt and a put on a great show. As to the HOF...in or out...both sides have validity. I think there are some artists that aren't in the HOF that are more deserving than GFRR .
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited March 2010
    In fact...here is a list of artists that IMO should be in the discussion as to whether they deserve induction as much if not more than GFRR:

    Yes
    The Moody Blues
    Deep Purple
    Kansas
    Blue Oyster Cult
    Peter Gabriel
    Dire Straits
    Stevie Ray Vaughan
    Chicago
    Linda Ronstadt
    Emerson, Lake & Palmer
    The Alan Parsons Project
    Jimmy Buffett
    Doobie Brothers
    Joe Walsh
    King Crimson
    Jethro Tull
    Todd Rundgren
    Toto
    The Carpenters
    Alice Cooper
    Boston
    Kate Bush
    The Cars

    I think these artists should at least be talked about...but most will never make it.

    As I said earlier...I LIKE GFRR.
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited March 2010
    shack wrote: »
    In fact...here is a list of artists that IMO should be in the discussion as to whether they deserve induction as much if not more than GFRR:

    Yes
    The Moody Blues
    Deep Purple
    Kansas
    Blue Oyster Cult
    Peter Gabriel
    Dire Straits
    Stevie Ray Vaughan
    Chicago
    Linda Ronstadt
    Emerson, Lake & Palmer
    The Alan Parsons Project
    Jimmy Buffett
    Doobie Brothers
    Joe Walsh
    King Crimson
    Jethro Tull
    Todd Rundgren
    Toto
    The Carpenters
    Alice Cooper
    Boston
    Kate Bush
    The Cars

    I think these artists should at least be talked about...but most will never make it.

    As I said earlier...I LIKE GFRR.

    I agree with the ones I bolded Steve. They, in their time, brought some innovative, fresh, and new dimensions to Rock & Roll.

    Hell, IMHO if it wasn't for Alice Cooper there would be no KISS.

    The Moody Blues brought the forunner of the moog synthisizer of sorts the Mellotron front stage and mixed rock with classical music. The same goes for YES and Jethro Tull.

    The list of innovations to rock goes on and on with the artists listed.

    How these artists aren't in the HOF or being considered is beyond me.
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited March 2010
    Joe -

    Of the ones you didn't highlight...I firmly believe a strong case can be made for all.

    My daughter wrote a term paper for her "History of Rock & Roll" class she took in college making the case for Buffett to be included in the RRHOF (with some research assistance from her dad). While one may not be a fan...there is compelling data when one takes the loosely structured criteria of the HOF and applies it to Buffett. His influence on the R&R music scene is substantial. BTW…She got an A on the paper.

    Rundgren's influence has been considerable on both sides of the microphone. Performer, writer, producer, innovator. He has been a stong influence in the work of quite a few artist (several on the list of should be RRHOFers). Maybe no ONE aspect gets him in...but the body of work should IMO.

    Toto - If you look at the credentials of those who passed through the band and the success they had in what was a "dark era" for music (late 70's early 80's) Toto certainly deserves some consideration IMO. Maybe they don't get the nod because of the variations that the band went through. They were accomplished studio musicians who got together and made some pretty good music. Maybe the fact none of them were superstars in their own right limits their chances.

    Kate Bush - Never had the success or influence here as she did in Great Brittan which is probably her downfall. She is one of the most successful British female artists. She has an unusual (but no less incredible) voice, with tremendous range. I like her work as an artist, but she is very accomplished as a writer and producer. A bit of an innovator as well. David Gilmore and Peter Gabriel recognized her talent and sing her praises…and that speaks volumes to me. Alas her lack of a strong US presence and her eclectic style will probably keep her out.
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  • inspiredsports
    inspiredsports Posts: 5,501
    edited March 2010
    TNRabbit wrote: »
    Yes. No one else is close.

    Agreed. Rush is worth a nod also, but if I only had one vote I would cast it for Yes.
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  • dudeinaroom
    dudeinaroom Posts: 3,609
    edited March 2010
    The only one on there I would not consider would be Chicago. It's like reverse country. Instead of you losing every thing it is all mushy and junk. The only reason Chicago sells is be cause some one wants some. Just my opinion. I have voted for Rush, I totally hated them in high school(was a crap music fan). I guess I have gotten too old ate my ripe old age of 34. from age 10 to about mid 20's I loved rap, and was just starting to get into heavy metal, always liked classical. Now unless it is eminem, or some really old school rap I am turning it off. Rap is now just look at me, I got money, I'm drunk and stoned, and I'm better than you cause I can't sing, and they have a machine that can make me sound good(or like a robot with tourette's). Rapping reall is not that hard, I wouldn't make any money off it, but I know a decent amount of people who could. Sorry for the side track.
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