SDA SRS Thermal Protection

state228state228 Posts: 6
edited May 2003 in Troubleshooting
I have a pair of SDA SRS speakers that I bought new in the mid 80"s. They are powered by a Yamaha M-80 that I bought at the same time. For sometime now my speakers thermal protection has been cutting off the tweeters while listening at loud levels that used to be no problem. I contacted Polk about this before and they sent me some new thermal switches to install in my crossovers. That didn't fix anything. Could the problem be my Amp?
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  • DarqueKnightDarqueKnight Posts: 6,559
    edited May 2003
    Have you changed the type of music you listen to recently?
    What are you listening to when the thermal protection trips?
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  • state228state228 Posts: 6
    edited May 2003
    Same music. Usually Heavy Metal. Does it with the same CD's I've been listening to for almost 20 years. Sounds good up until the point when the tweeters cut off.
  • DarqueKnightDarqueKnight Posts: 6,559
    edited May 2003
    Seems to me that your amp might be clipping. It is not unusual for the electrolytic capacitors in the amp's power supply to dry out over time. Call the the Yamaha Parts department at 714-522-9888. Ask to speak to technician Jim Bennett, he should be able to give you more insight into your problem.

    I really like the older Yamaha audio gear from the mid 80's to mid 90's.
    "So hot it burns Mice!"~DK
    "Polk SDA-SRSs are hopelessly out of date both sonically and technologically... I see no value whatsoever in older SDA speakers."~Audio Asylum Member
    "Knowledge, without understanding, is a path to failure."~DK
    "Those who irrationally rail against something or someone that is no threat to them, actually desire (or desire to be like) the thing or person they are railing against."~DK
  • state228state228 Posts: 6
    edited May 2003
    I'll do that. Thanks for the help.
  • Tour2maTour2ma Old School Posts: 10,176
    edited May 2003
    Damn, was not even aware that my SRS's had thermal protection.

    Have experienced the same thing in my left channel SRS and I know my M1.5t was not clipping. Just if driven hard the left channel would "go dull". Always assumed it was the amp, but...

    state,
    Ken Swauger of Polk CS will send you a trouble shooting guide for SDA's, including the SRS's. A series of VOM checks will let you know if your speakers have any issues.
    More later,
    Tour...
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  • Tour2maTour2ma Old School Posts: 10,176
    edited May 2003
    BTW raife, guy over here, http://clubpolk.polkaudio.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9747 , has a unique SRS issue you might be able to shed some light on.
    More later,
    Tour...
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  • DarqueKnightDarqueKnight Posts: 6,559
    edited May 2003
    Originally posted by Tour2ma
    Damn, was not even aware that my SRS's had thermal protection.

    Have experienced the same thing in my left channel SRS and I know my M1.5t was not clipping. Just if driven hard the left channel would "go dull". Always assumed it was the amp, but...

    Tour,

    Amps can "soft clip" where you don't hear the audible distortion that is produced by "hard" clipping. Usually, the only way to tell if your amp is soft clipping is to attach an oscilloscope to the outputs and look at the output waveform.

    The "dullness" of sound you experienced is what some audio reviewers refer to as a "hardening" of the sound. It is usually caused by an amp running out of power when trying to reproduce a demanding music segment.

    All SDA's have a little semiconductor device to protect the tweeters. I always remove that device on the SDAs that I modify. The device does cause a subtle loss of high frequency detail.

    If the thermal protection is tripped, you would not get diminished sound, you would get nothing at all. The device causes an open circuit when power levels are too high. Of course, you could have a defective device that does not break the connection completely.

    I read the post of the fellow with the two left SRSs. I'll dig up my schematic and see if I can offer any insights.
    "So hot it burns Mice!"~DK
    "Polk SDA-SRSs are hopelessly out of date both sonically and technologically... I see no value whatsoever in older SDA speakers."~Audio Asylum Member
    "Knowledge, without understanding, is a path to failure."~DK
    "Those who irrationally rail against something or someone that is no threat to them, actually desire (or desire to be like) the thing or person they are railing against."~DK
  • SDA SRS 1.2SDA SRS 1.2 Posts: 255
    edited May 2003
    Originally posted by Tour2ma

    Have experienced the same thing in my left channel SRS and I know my M1.5t was not clipping. Just if driven hard the left channel would "go dull". Always assumed it was the amp, but...

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    I've had the same thing happen in either channel depending on the music. If I dial back on the volume momentarily, everything goes back to normal. Always thought it was the speaker's thermal protection - maybe it's the amp or my ears...:)
    Main System: Polk SDA SRS 1.2 Speakers, Sunfire Signature 600~two Amp, Carver C-16 Preamp, Carver TX-11b Tuner, Marantz 6350Q TT, Philips CDR-775 Recorder, Teac V-707RX Cassette Deck, Signal Cable Double Run Speaker Cable

    Upstairs Den: Marantz 2325 Receiver, Marantz 5220 Cassette Deck, Marantz HD-880 Speakers, Marantz 6370Q TT

    Exercise (Kabuki speaker) Room: Kenwood KR-9600 Receiver, Pioneer CS-99a Speakers, Sansui SP-X9000 Speakers (not pretty, but LOUD! :) )
  • bikezappabikezappa Posts: 2,504
    edited May 2003
    Whenever I listen to Janus Joplin loud, Ball and Chain or Summer Time for example I would lose the high end with my SDA SRS. I have experienced this problem for over ten years with various recievers. I always thought the amp was shutting down. Wrong, it was the thermal protection in the speakers kicking in. Basically I was driving a Porsche with low octane gas and worn tires. A 300 watt Adcom power amp allowed me to listen at that volume without the thermal proptection kicking in. However, I now listen to to Janus even louder and can still activate the thermal protection. It never ends, finding and fixing the weakest link can be expensive and fun.
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