Say it aint so.... Carver Digital is an EMO?

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  • Jetmaker737
    Jetmaker737 Posts: 1,047
    edited February 2010
    You didn't say so specifically... did Bob Carver design the amp?
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  • mhmacw
    mhmacw Posts: 832
    edited February 2010
    nooshinjohn wrote: »
    The amp was first designed for Phoenix Gold and was to be sold under the Carver Digital name. The founder of Emotiva worked as a marketing rep for a company called Homni, a small(at that time) electronics company in China. Just prior to Bob leaving Carver Corporation, they had begun to farm out circuit board design to them. After Carver was sold to Poenix Gold, that relationship deepened, culminating in the amp we are talking about.

    Prior to it's introduction to market, the contract to build them was desolved due to Phoenix Gold loosing the rights to the Carver name. Phoenix lost the rights to the design when the contract was cancelled. By this time, Dan Laufman had aquired a significant ownership stake in Homni. He rebranded this amp as Emotiva. The rest is history.... I spoke to Bob C. about this today.:) His recollection of events is not 100% because he was not involved with the company any longer when these events occured.[/QUOTE


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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,420
    edited February 2010
    ^^^I do not get the point of your post...
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  • mhmacw
    mhmacw Posts: 832
    edited February 2010
    nooshinjohn wrote: »
    ^^^I do not get the point of your post...

    if you want the truth ask the master...hows bob doin these days? havent seen him in 15 yrs


    i was seconding your reply man. is there a different way to do that on this forum?
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,420
    edited February 2010
    He is doing quite well actually, and living the life of a rock star.
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  • comfortablycurt
    comfortablycurt Posts: 6,745
    edited February 2010
    Ehh...good thing I never plan on buying anything from either of these companies.

    Maybe I should give Carver a call just to let them know I won't be buying anything from them.;)


    If you want my honest opinion...I really think I'd take an Emo over a Carver/Sunfire. I'm yet to hear any Emo products other than the ERC-1, but I've heard Carver systems before...and they left a lot to be desired IMHO.

    But...to each their own.:)
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,033
    edited February 2010
    nooshinjohn wrote: »
    He is doing quite well actually, and living the life of a multi-millionaire.
    Fixed it for ya'. ;)

    CC, you just haven't heard the right Carver gear with the right rig. Not everything Carver is run of the mill gear or even mainstream. There is a reason I'm still a fan. To hear his latest, you'll need about 5-6K or so just for some tube amps that sound.....well, if your mind is made up......
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  • mhmacw
    mhmacw Posts: 832
    edited February 2010
    well i say. in the mid 90s i got a visit from a demo vehicle and it wasn't like one of these "lets see how loud it goes" type of things. it was the most exquisite listening experience i have ever had. all sunfire and stillwater(kicker) designs. i wouldn't discount carver without a very strong audition.
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,420
    edited February 2010
    Curt,

    If you make it to the shindig at Nik's place, My 600x2 will make you change your mind.
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD

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  • comfortablycurt
    comfortablycurt Posts: 6,745
    edited February 2010
    treitz3 wrote: »
    Fixed it for ya'. ;)

    CC, you just haven't heard the right Carver gear with the right rig. Not everything Carver is run of the mill gear or even mainstream. There is a reason I'm still a fan. To hear his latest, you'll need about 5-6K or so just for some tube amps that sound.....well, if your mind is made up......


    Don't take me wrong...I'm not trying to bash on Carver or anything. I don't even remember the model #'s of any of the Carver gear I've heard(I vaguely recall one of the amps being a TFM-24?...maybe)...but it wasn't the absolute top of the line stuff. I really wasn't impressed by it at all though. I would love to hear some of their higher end stuff(such as the Silver 7's/9's).


    5-6k? If that's what you've gotta spend for Carver gear that sounds good...well...I'm not interested.;) I very highly doubt that I'll ever have a desire to spend that much on an amp. That money would be better spent buying a shitload of new music IMO.:)
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,033
    edited February 2010
    Fair enough. To each their own.
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  • mhmacw
    mhmacw Posts: 832
    edited February 2010
    you dont have to spend that much to get carvers quality amps that price range is for his one off custom with his signature type of stuffall gold and tubes. theres competitive prices on the consumer grade stuff too. try this place to look a bit eh?
    http://vintagehifipgh.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=4&zenid=imjstcrs2pl1j3tle22epaaog1
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,420
    edited February 2010
    Congrats guys... two pages into an Emo/Carver thread and nobody has gotten banned yet.:eek::cool:
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD

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  • mdaudioguy
    mdaudioguy Posts: 5,165
    edited February 2010
    A while back, I was ready to purchase an AudioSource AMP100 - a modest 2-channel amp - to power a set of outdoor speakers. Parts Express and Amazon were blowing these out at $79, which was about as low as I'd seen them go. I go to place my order and darn if they're not out of stock... I get on PE's waiting list, and when they come back in stock months later - $149!

    Clearly, the market has gotten wind of AudioSource's lineage and the loose "connection" to Emo, and this has driven the price through the roof! ;)
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,420
    edited February 2014
    Rather than start a new thread, I thought I would dig up this moldy oldie. It looks like this amp is back in production of some sort, and there is a website for Carver... I wonder how Bob feels about this one?

    The amp appears to be exactly the same as the Carver Digital unit, which spawned the MPS-1. I have a call into the company, which is not too far from me to see if they are still around and get some pricing. More updates to come.

    http://www.carver-world.com/cp/html/?7.html
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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    edited February 2014
    In the March 2014 issue of the absolute sound, on pages 58-59, he has a two page ad for his speakers where he says, "Let's join Albert Einstein, Stu Hegeman, Max Planck, and me in a loud speaker thought experiment."

    On page 61 there is an ad for the Silver Seven 700.
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,420
    edited February 2014
    It appears there are two very different Carver companies doing business out there...

    http://bobcarvercorp.com/

    http://www.carver-world.com/cp/html/?7.html I am so comfused:lol:


    At least I know where my amps came from. :smile:
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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    edited February 2014
    These two ads are from bobcarvercorp.
    Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
    Sony XA-5400ES SACD; Pass XP-22 pre; X600.5 amps
    Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers; SPOD spikes

    Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on source, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
    Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
    Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables

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    Three 20 amp circuits.
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,420
    edited February 2014
    A phone call to the number provided on the website had a young lady of Chinese decent answer the phone as "Carver Holdings". She said the owner was out of the country at this time and that they stocked no product on-site. I told her that I was inquiring as to becoming a distributor for their product and was looking to see what steps I needed to take. She said the owner will call me when he returns. We will see if Bob calls. :lol::lol::lol:
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  • heartystatue
    heartystatue Posts: 329
    edited February 2014
    ^^^^^ You sly dog.
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  • zane77
    zane77 Posts: 1,696
    edited February 2014
    Maybe brush up on your Cantonese.
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 25,448
    edited February 2014
    Funny John if you look at the http://www.carver-world.com/cp/html/?7.html page it list no place to buy them......


    except there is this vvvvvvv

    Carver Holdings Group
    Add: 315 N. Puente Lane, Suite C, Brea, CA 92821
    Ph: + 1 714 738 9555
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,420
    edited February 2014
    ^^^yep... I called them first thing this morning. I am really interested in finding out the details on this because it would be the same amp as the Phoenix Gold developed Carver Digital, and by the looks of it, they were very well built. They weigh in at some 120 pounds, with each amp card weighing 13 pounds each!

    I would not mind giving one a spin if they don't cost more than a grand apiece.
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD

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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 33,804
    edited February 2014
    treitz3 wrote: »
    When you want the straight s***, ya' gotta go to the horse's mouth. There it is folks.

    I've gotta say, that's the best mixed metaphor I've seen so far today!
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,420
    edited February 2014
    ...and its from 4 years ago, but I agree with you just the same.
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 33,804
    edited February 2014
    nooshinjohn wrote: »
    ...and its from 4 years ago, but I agree with you just the same.
    Well, I guess it's been a long mixed metaphor dry spell for me.
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 25,448
    edited February 2014
    I wondered if that was indeed the number you called...I bet BOB had not one thing to do with any of it.
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,033
    edited February 2014
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    I've gotta say, that's the best mixed metaphor I've seen so far today!
    Thank you, thank you.....next show in ten minutes.

    Tom
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,420
    edited February 2014
    An update... the "new" amps are being made in China (no shock) by a company called Factor Electronics, based out of Surrey, British Columbia. They are currently not available for sale of any kind and may not be for several months yet. The owner claims to have bought up the remnants of Phoenix Gold, and thus, has rights to the "Carver" brand name. He expects that this amp will be the beginning...
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD

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  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,590
    edited February 2014
    nooshinjohn wrote: »
    An update... the "new" amps are being made in China (no shock) by a company called Factor Electronics, based out of Surrey, British Columbia. They are currently not available for sale of any kind and may not be for several months yet. The owner claims to have bought up the remnants of Phoenix Gold, and thus, has rights to the "Carver" brand name. He expects that this amp will be the beginning...

    So then how did the first Emo unit come about if Phoenix Gold had those units originally?
    "....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963)
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