saints vs vikings

AsSiMiLaTeD

As a Colts fan I'd also rather see the Saints than the Vikings. Neither team is going to be easy to play against, but I think the Vikings are just the all around better team and match up better overall against a team like the Colts.

Pycroft

Not sure that the Vikings would be a better matchup. Consider the Colts played the Jets, who had the best defense, and Peyton rocked them. The Vikings, although a solid defense, would still get destroyed. New Orleans may not have a good defense on paper, but their ability to get turn overs and big plays on both sides of the ball may be their shot to win. I also think Brees quick decision making, and smart consistent football, and ability to throw down the field with little error (Or less than someone like Favre) is a big plus. I also think the Saints have a more dynamic special teams game, and the Colts are notorious...this year at least, at not being able to cover a punt or kick off.

I think it will be a better game than most people are giving credit.

James

Jstas

Pycroft wrote: »

Not sure that the Vikings would be a better matchup. Consider the Colts played the Jets, who had the best defense, and Peyton rocked them. The Vikings, although a solid defense, would still get destroyed. New Orleans may not have a good defense on paper, but their ability to get turn overs and big plays on both sides of the ball may be their shot to win. I also think Brees quick decision making, and smart consistent football, and ability to throw down the field with little error (Or less than someone like Favre) is a big plus. I also think the Saints have a more dynamic special teams game, and the Colts are notorious...this year at least, at not being able to cover a punt or kick off.

I think it will be a better game than most people are giving credit.

James

I gotta agree there. The Jets could run a pass-rush and still cover a screen fairly well and Peyton could still pick them apart. The Vikings can pass-rush with the best of them and they are quite good at it. they can also shutdown a run game. Look how affective they were against the Cowboys. However, when the Vikings bring a rush or blitz, the Saints were able to put backs and tight ends up as wings to give Brees enough time to wait for the receivers who were doing man to man at that point to get open. As soon as one did, a quick 10-15 yard dump (followed by a stupid penalty) and they would get one over on the Vikings secondary.

The Saints defense, they aren't so hot against the rush. Good enough to limit it but they can't stop it. Not like teams like the Cowboys or Packers could. They are good against passing. So the fact that Indy has an inexperienced and young rushing game might prove to be the Saints favor.

I think the Vikings can run but they can't out pass the Colts. The Colts have a decent all around defense. Not dominant but effective enough to let the Colts offense outscore the opponents. The Vikings don't. They are good in spots but give up enough in others to be inconsistent. If you have a team that can exploit that, you have the Vikings beat. Provided you actually exploit it.

But the Saints on the other hand...I think they match up to the Colts quite well. They have a run game that can get over on the Colts defense. They have a passing game that can out gun Peyton. Favre wasn't going to do that. Not against Peyton's young and fast receiving staff. The Saints are sloppy and inconsistent and a robot like Peyton will disassemble that easily enough. But, if the Saints show up that day, Indy is going to struggle to beat them. I know Indy is the short favorite but if the Saints are on the game, it'll be close. I think it will go down to a single field goal or touchdown and it'll be to the wire.

Zitro

zombie boy 2000 wrote: »

As a Falcons fan, I am physically ill today. Words can do no justice to how much I hate the Saints.

I actually woke up physically ill today also. Couldn't sleep, and the damn game kept running through my head...what would have happened if...? A lot of seemingly improbable things all happened within the span of minutes, it almost as if the Saints were supposed to win...

1. The odd penalty. Without it, Vikes would have run the ball and the int would have never happened.
2. The int throw. Let's face it, gunslinger or not, Favre had been great at protecting the ball, and Sidney Rice always seemed to come up with a pass. Of the few times it didn't work, this happened to be one of them.
3. This one is random, but why call heads to start OT? It's NFL lore that in overtime, "tails never fails".
4. The very questionable P.I. call. Bad timing, but there was little contact and that ball sailed over everyone's head. Probably could have just as easy been ruled an incomplete.
5. The booth review of the catch. This one bothers me the most, and is what put the Saints in field goal range. From those replays, it seemed pretty obvious that the ball touched the ground before he established complete possession of it. I definitely thought that one was coming back, and it should have.

If any of these things within the last few minutes of play didn't happen, we could have been looking at a totally different outcome. But all those "what-ifs" are just part of the game. If Favre retires, he's had an unquestionably successful career and he deserves it. If he comes back, I'll be looking forward to seeing him on Sundays for one more year. Either way, thanks 4 the memories.

shawn474

Zitro wrote: »

If Favre retires, he's had an unquestionably successful career and he deserves it. If he comes back, I'll be looking forward to seeing him on Sundays for one more year. Either way, thanks 4 the memories.

You have 6 more months to worry about that with him saying he's done and dragging everyone along. We'll have ESPN covering this ad nauseum. Then, once training camp is over, he'll come back. Only way this guy leaves the league is on a stretcher or when he is relegated to back-up duty.

Zitro

shawn474 wrote: »

You have 6 more months to worry about that with him saying he's done and dragging everyone along. We'll have ESPN covering this ad nauseum. Then, once training camp is over, he'll come back. Only way this guy leaves the league is on a stretcher or when he is relegated to back-up duty.

What bothers me the most is that the media, NFL.com and the like, really fuel this whole thing. Last night, just after the game ended, they already started the whole "Favre Watch 2010!!!!!" crap. Seriously guys? And I still remember during one game (it may have been against S.F.) ESPN had a "Favre Cam" streaming live video of Favre and only Favre wherever he went for the entire game...the media builds a lot of this crap up and it's pretty ridiculous. I don't think Favre asked for a camera to follow him the whole game. The media just loves covering him because it gets people's attention, whether that be in a good way or a bad way.

shawn474

Zitro wrote: »

What bothers me the most is that the media, NFL.com and the like, really fuel this whole thing. Last night, just after the game ended, they already started the whole "Favre Watch 2010!!!!!" crap. Seriously guys? And I still remember during one game (it may have been against S.F.) ESPN had a "Favre Cam" streaming live video of Favre and only Favre wherever he went for the entire game...the media builds a lot of this crap up and it's pretty ridiculous. I don't think Favre asked for a camera to follow him the whole game. The media just loves covering him because it gets people's attention, whether that be in a good way or a bad way.

I agree that the media takes this and runs with it. But thats their job. If Favre could make a decision and actually stick to it, none of this would be a big deal. He makes it a big deal because he loves to be in the spotlight.

shack

Still talking about Favre? Didn't he just lose? Who cares what he does...at least for the next two weeks. Shouldn't they/we be talking about someone who will actually be playing in the Super Bowl?

shawn474

shack wrote: »

Still talking about Favre? Didn't he just lose? Who cares what he does...at least for the next two weeks. Shouldn't they/we be talking about someone who will actually be playing in the Super Bowl?

I am rooting for the Saints for no good reason.

cstmar01

Zitro wrote: »

I actually woke up physically ill today also. Couldn't sleep, and the damn game kept running through my head...what would have happened if...? A lot of seemingly improbable things all happened within the span of minutes, it almost as if the Saints were supposed to win...

1. The odd penalty. Without it, Vikes would have run the ball and the int would have never happened.
2. The int throw. Let's face it, gunslinger or not, Favre had been great at protecting the ball, and Sidney Rice always seemed to come up with a pass. Of the few times it didn't work, this happened to be one of them.
3. This one is random, but why call heads to start OT? It's NFL lore that in overtime, "tails never fails".
4. The very questionable P.I. call. Bad timing, but there was little contact and that ball sailed over everyone's head. Probably could have just as easy been ruled an incomplete.
5. The booth review of the catch. This one bothers me the most, and is what put the Saints in field goal range. From those replays, it seemed pretty obvious that the ball touched the ground before he established complete possession of it. I definitely thought that one was coming back, and it should have.
If any of these things within the last few minutes of play didn't happen, we could have been looking at a totally different outcome. But all those "what-ifs" are just part of the game. If Favre retires, he's had an unquestionably successful career and he deserves it. If he comes back, I'll be looking forward to seeing him on Sundays for one more year. Either way, thanks 4 the memories.

Umm it was still a legit penalty that they did something wrong, problem I seen none.

who cares? Its a 50/50 chance, but whatever.

Guess I think he had control, but ya know I'm blind so what does it matter....

and if you spend your night worrying about a game of football, good lord I don't want to see you during finals....

Jstas

It's listening to Stephen Hawking announcing football...I can't believe it!

Zitro

cstmar01 wrote: »

and if you spend your night worrying about a game of football, good lord I don't want to see you during finals....

Sadly, I am perfectly ok during finals and this game bothered me more than most exams do lol. I haven't had a test bother me as much as this game has since a chemistry final I took freshman year where I missed an "A" by 1 question; finished with a 89.47. Now THAT bothered me for days lol.

nooshinjohn

...On Sunday, Brett Favre and the Vikings became the first team in NFL history to play two games simultaniously. In the first contest, they easily defeated the Saints. In the second game, the Vikings managed to beat themselves, resulting in a forfeiture of a trip to Miami.

Coach Brad Childress announced after the game that any player caught playing with themselves during a game in the future will be benched.:D

Jstas

Keiko wrote: »

LOL! I have this game for the Sega CD, John. If you're not familiar with it, it has an option to ask Joe Montana's advice. Montana will pop up on the screen and give his expert opinion.

I can't believe it!

krabby5

Demiurge wrote: »

No, junior. You and I squared off on the subject of your raging boner for Favre once before. It turns out you're just a kid living in Florida. I'm saying I know things you don't.

You Favre fans will never change though. Always pointing fingers at everyone but Favre. Funny and sad at the same time, but tonight....HILARIOUS!

Enjoy!

Whatever..Favre is and always will be a warrior..I'll take him over any QBs the Vikings have EVER had since the 70's. Guy brought the Pack to 2 Superbowls after YEARS of horrible, ****, football. Show Dick some respect.

Zitro

Very inconsequential now, but I can't help but wonder who screwed up the call that there was 12 man in the huddle in the first place? Had it been 3rd and 10, I doubt a pass play would have ever been called.

Demiurge

krabby5 wrote: »

Whatever..Favre is and always will be a warrior..I'll take him over any QBs the Vikings have EVER had since the 70's. Guy brought the Pack to 2 Superbowls after YEARS of horrible, ****, football. Show Dick some respect.

I was done responding to this thread since I only did so to pour salt on the wounds of Favre fans in the first place (oddly I feel somewhat sorry for true Viking fans and we now share a special bond that makes me feel a little dirty)....but I digress.

The only thing that matters in the NFL is winning championships. Some facts about Brett Favre:

Another chapter in the BrettFavre legacy
Cold, Hard Football Facts for January 24, 2010

Add another chapter to the BrettFavre legend – the legend of colossal mistakes in critical moments of huge games.

We’ll be back first thing Monday morning with our stat-packed recap of the 31-28 New Orleans victory over the Favrkings in the NFC title game.

In the meantime, here’s a quick recap of BrettFavre’s not-so-finest hours in big games ... lowlighted by his huge pick in the final seconds of regulation against the Saints Sunday night.

Jan. 20, 2002
The storyline: The 12-4 Packers have a shot to reach the conference championship game for first time since the 1997 season if they beat 14-2 Rams in the divisional round.

The result: BrettFavre throws 6 picks – tying the single-game NFL record for postseason picks last matched by Norm Van Brocklin ... back in 1955.

Jan. 4, 2003
The storyline: The 12-4 Packers were one of the best teams in football, playing at home against the tepid 9-6-1 Falcons in the wildcard round.

The result: BrettFavre sinks like a lead weight, reserving one of his worst performances of the year for when it matters most in a 27-7 loss (20 of 42, 47.6%, 247 yards, 5.9 YPA, 1 TD, 2 INT, 54.4 rating). It was Green Bay's lowest offensive output of the season. The Packers suffered their first-ever home playoff loss in franchise history.

BrettFavre not only threw two picks, he committed turnovers on three straight drives in the fourth quarter (one INT, two fumbles). Another fourth-quarter INT was overturned by a defensive penalty.

Jan. 11, 2004
The storyline: The Packers need to produce just one drive in overtime to beat the Eagles and then battle the Panthers for a chance to go to Super Bowl XXXVIII.

The result: On Green Bay's first play of overtime, BrettFavre tossed a bad pass into the hands of Eagles defender Brian Dawkins. Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb quickly drove his offense into easy field goal range for the victory. BrettFavre passed for 180 yards, one of his lowest outputs of the year.

Jan. 9, 2005
The storyline: The 10-6 Packers draw a gimme, landing the 8-8 Vikings at home in the wildcard round of the NFC playoffs.

The result: Favre turns out a gruesomely disfiguring playoff performance (22 of 33, 66.7%, 216 yards, 6.5 YPA, 1 TD, 4 INT, 55.4 rating), as Packers suffer a humiliating 31-17 loss to one of the worst teams ever to reach the playoffs. Had the Seahawks not lost to the Rams just one day earlier, Favre would have been the first quarterback in history to lose a playoff game to a .500 team.

It was BrettFavre's first four-pick game in two years.

Jan. 20, 2008
The storyline: BrettFavre’s 13-3 Packers were favored at home against the 10-6 Giants on one of the coldest nights in Lambeau Field history.

The result: BrettFavre, and the Packers offense, suffered one of the most colossal collapses in history. In the fourth quarter and overtime, Favre completed 4 of 10 passes for 32 yards with 2 INTs. Green Bay’s final four drives, with a Super Bowl appearance easily within their grasp, went for 0, 7, 0 and 2 yards.

Favre’s final pick, on the second play of overtime, led directly to the Giants’ game-winning field goal.

The 2008 season
The storyline: BrettFavre moves to a new team and leads the Jets to an AFC East-best 8-3 record through 11 games.

The result: BrettFavre was dreadful during the team’s stretch-run collapse, throwing 2 TDs against 9 picks. INTs lead directly to losses, and the Jets went 1-4 over the final five games, and missed the playoffs with a 9-7 record despite their hot 8-3 start.

Jan. 24, 2010
The storyline: BrettFavre’s Vikings totally outplay the favored Saints in New Orleans for four quarters in the NFC title game.

The result: BrettFavre’s Vikings are tied 28-28 with 19 seconds to play and face a 3rd and 15 at the Saints 38. They need a mere five yards to get a shot at a game-winning field goal to send Minnesota to the Super Bowl for the first time in 33 years and fulfill all the hopes and dreams that the organization put in the quarterback when they hastily signed BrettFavre during training camp.

The only thing BrettFavre can’t do is throw an interception.

Of course ... BrettFavre throws an interception right into the hands of Tracy Porter. The Saints get the ball in overtime and proceed to go down the field and kick the game-winning field goal.

LINK

Swallow that.

This will never get old:



I used to argue about his stats and how they were great and they are. First ballot hall of famer, yadda, yadda, yadda. Know what...the fact remains Brett Favre hasn't been able to get it done for a looooong time and he's had plenty of opportunities to do so with his team. He is a choker. Without Favre, the Vikings probably don't make the playoffs. With Favre, the Vikings won't win a championships because Brett can't help but self destruct in the clutch. If he doesn't come back to MN next year the Vikings will sink back to obscurity, Wilf won't get his stadium, and unless he plays the games in the Gophers' new stadium is that much closer to taking the team to Los Angeles.

You guys have been Favred and I can't say you weren't warned.

hearingimpared

I have no dog in this fight but I've always wondered why Favre has been touted as much as he has. He's won one Super Bowl and the year after that the same team could have taken apart the Denver Broncos but they, and Favre being the leader, were so arrogant and sure that they would have a walk in the park got beat by a lesser team. They even had the gaul to make the prediction during training camp that year that they were unstoppable and were going to win back to back Super Bowls.


Stats don't mean ****! Look at Donavan McNabb and the Eagles. Incredible stats, most wins than any other team in a given period, made the NFC finals four times, ten years of greatness, yadda, yadda, yadda . . . no Super Bowl ring, nothing but next year.

Whenever I would think of Brett Favre I would think "pickmeister!" since he entered the league.

Now back to our regularly scheduled program.

dekuda

krabby5 wrote: »

Whatever..Favre is and always will be a warrior..I'll take him over any QBs the Vikings have EVER had since the 70's. Guy brought the Pack to 2 Superbowls after YEARS of horrible, ****, football. Show Dick some respect.

I am a life long packer fan and no matter what people think of Favre I know one think for sure.He gave me and my son a excitement on game day over 15 years that we had not had in a long time. How many fans of other teams can say that? I do not understand all the Favre bashing going on here. He brought excitement and enthusiasm into the NFL. He made it fun and exciting.Yeh sure.he made many bone head plays but he also made many great plays. He was a high risk,high rewards, and sometimes high failure guy.And as fans we road that roller coaster. Give me that over any boring offense on Sunday(Bears?) I don't care about his ego. I live in Chicago and Michael Jordan had a huge ego. Many of the great stars do. All I cared about is he brought fun,excitement ,commitment and that chance to win to us fans for many years. I feel sorry for many fans of other teams that never had a chance to experienced that over a 15 year span and you may never understand. It's like the Babe at the batters box. you know he strikes out alot but you also know as a fan that he has a good chance to hit the long one to win the game.Give Favre the credit he deserves for having a good season and a great carreer and helping the Vikes get this far and applaud the Saints for their victory.

dekuda

And by the way Demiurge, you bring up the low lights in favre's carreer. As a packer fan I vivdly remember some of those games. Facts do not always show the whole picture.If you want facts I will make a list for you of his records.Then quote some of the great QB's of our time and their admiration of Favre. But was is the point? Fact, Favre was credited with a fumble when he handed off to AP yesterday. Was he to blame? And it was not the collapse of Favre as much as it was the collapse of Fritz Shermer's defense in some of those games you mentioned. Eagles playoff game ,Mcnabb haves a 4th and 26 on there last drive and he they make a first down?:eek:It still haunts me. In the Falcons game in 2003 the Packers defense had no answer for Michael Vick when he ran and passed all over the Packers .Yeh, like I said,he made mistakes. He made alot of throws, sometimes in bad weather.high risk ? You bet! You spend alot of time and energy bashing Favre,why? Appreciate what he brought to the game and let it go and enjoy the Superbowl!:)