Bi-Wire yes or no
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I know it, but it pains me to see people get suckered into the marketing hype. Simply buy speakers wires with sufficient gauge for the length used and use well made terminations.
You forgot to add, "IMO!" -
I know it, but it pains me to see people get suckered into the marketing hype. Simply buy speakers wires with sufficient gauge for the length used and use well made terminations.
You mean like Emotiva does? -
I know it, but it pains me to see people get suckered into the marketing hype. Simply buy speakers wires with sufficient gauge for the length used and use well made terminations.
Time for you to put up or shut up. What cables have YOU tried and on what gear?Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
Time for you to put up or shut up. What cables have YOU tried and on what gear?
Good luck getting a straight answer :rolleyes:.
H9"Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul! -
Could you just answer his question already?F1nut wrote:What cables have YOU tried and on what gear?~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
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Since we're on the topic of wire, anyone use the AudioQuest X2 speaker wire? I'm debating buying this one for $59.99 (30 ft) from Best Buy, so I can hook it up and try it, and if I find no difference between that and my cheapo wire, I'll return it. It will still pain me to spend $60 on some copper wire...- Jeremy
Amps: Jolida FX-10, NAD 3045, NAD C320BEE, Sansui G-9700
Speakers: Polk Monitor 7A's, KEF Reference 104aB
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Give it up.
This was exposed years ago in the NY Times.
http://www.nytimes.com/1999/12/23/technology/downtime-a-spat-among-audiophiles-over-high-end-speaker-wire.html
Let's see someone from Polk Audio conduct the tests and publish the results.
Use your influence to accomplish that, instead of browbeating members on this forum.
If you could only understand what you read.
I see that as Polk not wanting to praise some cable manufacturers and give not so glorious reviews to others. That would be bad for business.
You keep posting the same crappola. What is your experience with cables? Which ones did you find sound better than others? We know some of your equipment but not all. Maybe you should consider sharing your experience rather than posting others opinions and marketing stategies.
All we are doing here is sharing our experience with other members. I don't see why you can't. -
Use your influence to accomplish that, instead of browbeating members on this forum.
It appears any browbeating is coming from those who have no experience in the subject, yet try to pretend they are experts based on things they have read. What I do not understand is your obsession with a subject that does not concern you. You buy the cheapest electronics made, but try to speak as an authority on a subject in which you have no experience.
What is the point of even trying to discuss a subject in which you have no experience upon which you could base an opinion?
You have already demonstrated your complete and total lack of independent thought on the Inglorious **** thread. So, it is not really necessary to keep reinforcing to the world that you simply run your mouth without having the slightest idea about which you are talking.
Of course, you, and some others, are a form of comedic relief, but after a while the same shtick does get boring.Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
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Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers; SPOD spikes
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Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables
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Zitro, I do happen to have lots of experience with AQ X2 speaker wire with many a speaker. Don't waste your money as the wire from Rat Shack or the Depot is just as good to these ears.Since we're on the topic of wire, anyone use the AudioQuest X2 speaker wire?
~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~ -
Zitro, I do happen to have lots of experience with AQ X2 speaker wire with many a speaker. Don't waste your money as the wire from Rat Shack or the Depot is just as good to these ears.
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It's true. I was pissed after spending that kind of dough for nothing. The only time I heard an audible change for the positive with the X2's was when I soldered in some nanner's. :mad:
Thank god those days are long since gone.~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~ -
Thank god those days are long since gone.
I don't know Tom, it could be a curse depending on how you look at it.:D -
I hear ya' there Joe but I definitely don't look at it as a curse. At least I know now what they can do and I'm not wasting my hard earned money trying to do it the cheap way with no positive end result.
Had I not tried every possible way to do it cheap to begin with, I could have saved the money I spent trying to do it that way and just bought what I am currently enjoying.~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~ -
I hear ya' there Joe but I definitely don't look at it as a curse. At least I know now what they can do and I'm not wasting my hard earned money trying to do it the cheap way with no positive end result.
Had I not tried every possible way to do it cheap to begin with, I could have saved the money I spent trying to do it that way and just bought what I am currently enjoying.
What are you currently enjoying? Any good cable recommendations for a college student budget?- Jeremy
Amps: Jolida FX-10, NAD 3045, NAD C320BEE, Sansui G-9700
Speakers: Polk Monitor 7A's, KEF Reference 104aB
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I hear ya' there Joe but I definitely don't look at it as a curse. At least I know now what they can do and I'm not wasting my hard earned money trying to do it the cheap way with no positive end result.
Had I not tried every possible way to do it cheap to begin with, I could have saved the money I spent trying to do it that way and just bought what I am currently enjoying.
Ha ha ha. I didn't wake up one morning and find myself being 54 years old either.:D -
Give it up.
This was exposed years ago in the NY Times.
http://www.nytimes.com/1999/12/23/technology/downtime-a-spat-among-audiophiles-over-high-end-speaker-wire.html
Let's see someone from Polk Audio conduct the tests and publish the results.
Use your influence to accomplish that, instead of browbeating members on this forum.
My post was not directed at you, so other than you proving, once again, that you are a troll with zero cable experience and extremely limited audio knowledge, I can see no other reason. Keep up the good work, I thoroughly enjoy laughing at you.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
My post was not directed at you, so other than you proving, once again, that you are a troll with zero cable experience and extremely limited audio knowledge, I can see no other reason. Keep up the good work, I thoroughly enjoy laughing at you.
OUCH! That's going to leave a big black & blue mark. -
hearingimpared wrote: »OUCH! That's going to leave a big black & blue mark.
lol Just like an Emotiva amp!
Buy decent cable's and be done with it :cool: The Canare 4s11 is a great option at a great price as is the Belden 5000
Better cable's does = better sound but i think once you get into the $200+ PER cable realm you get to the point of diminishing return's and great marketing
Just my $0.02
PS That's a Canadian $0.02 hehehe
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2 used sets of AQ CV-8's with a 72 volt battery pack upgrade. I might have a set FS here shortly but it depends on how things go with my current project with the Linbrooks.What are you currently enjoying? Any good cable recommendations for a college student budget?
I have heard through the grapevine that all of the CV series are about the same when it comes to sound, so if you can find a good deal on something else? Snag it and don't look back. ~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~ -
Give it up.
This was exposed years ago in the NY Times.
http://www.nytimes.com/1999/12/23/technology/downtime-a-spat-among-audiophiles-over-high-end-speaker-wire.htmlhearingimpared wrote: »If you could only understand what you read.
I would like to add one minor comment in regard to the 10 year old article. On one hand it is not a bad article. It does present a point of view held by many. Personally, I like to read, and I like being exposed to contradictory thinking. It helps me in my decision making regarding an idea/concept to have both sides of the idea in my mind.
However, at the end of the day, the article is simply repeating the opinions of a few people. There is no data presented to support either side. There is no scientific method employed to validate either opinion. It is simply a He said. She said article, and to try and use this article as proof there are no differences between cables does not make any sense.Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
Sony XA-5400ES SACD; Pass XP-22 pre; X600.5 amps
Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers; SPOD spikes
Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on source, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables
Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
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hearingimpared wrote: »OUCH! That's going to leave a big black & blue mark.sTiLlLeArNiNg wrote: »lol Just like an Emotiva amp!
The only black & blue mark that paper weight will leave is if you drop it on your toe.sTiLlLeArNiNg wrote: »Better cable's does = better sound but i think once you get into the $200+ PER cable realm you get to the point of diminishing return's and great marketing
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You got that right.
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It appears any browbeating is coming from those who have no experience in the subject, yet try to pretend they are experts based on things they have read. What I do not understand is your obsession with a subject that does not concern you. You buy the cheapest electronics made, but try to speak as an authority on a subject in which you have no experience.
What is the point of even trying to discuss a subject in which you have no experience upon which you could base an opinion?
You have already demonstrated your complete and total lack of independent thought on the Inglorious **** thread. So, it is not really necessary to keep reinforcing to the world that you simply run your mouth without having the slightest idea about which you are talking.
Of course, you, and some others, are a form of comedic relief, but after a while the same shtick does get boring.
Hammer, nail, head! -
Give it up.
This was exposed years ago in the NY Times.
http://www.nytimes.com/1999/12/23/technology/downtime-a-spat-among-audiophiles-over-high-end-speaker-wire.html
Let's see someone from Polk Audio conduct the tests and publish the results.
Use your influence to accomplish that, instead of browbeating members on this forum.
What exactly did that have to do with what you quoted?
Oh yeah. Absolutely nothing.I don't read the newsssspaperssss because dey aaaallllllllll...... have ugly print.
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There is no scientific method employed to validate either opinion.
Actually, there is a scientific method that can easily be extrapolated from the article, even if such a method wasn't spelled out exactly.
Hypothesis:
The listener will hear improved audio when shown more expensive cables, even if the original cables remain installed.
Method:
1. Play audio with inexpensive cables.
2. Show listener more expensive cables.
3. Tell listener the more expensive cables are installed, however, leave the original cables connected.
4. Play the same audio that was played in step 1.
Proof:
The hypothesis is true for each test trial if the listener reports any improved audio after hearing the audio played in step 4. -
hearingimpared wrote: »You mean like Emotiva does?
Like virtually all manufacturers do. However, some hype borders on science fiction while some hype is based upon more objective points.
I have no issue with the hype. My problem is with outright lies.Hearing is believing. -
In any market,scammers exist, to profit off of established product look alikes at a cheaper price. The cable market is no different. I have tried many do it yourself cables,many midfi cables from various companies such as Nordost, Kimber,Audioquest, to name a few,also Monster, Bogden, Bens cables, Jungsten, Mac, and so many others. While each cable had it's own sound signature,they were all far from the same.
One day,the wife asked me to re-arange the room, I had my favorite speaker cable,Reality cables hooked up to my Focus 20/20's, but they were too short for the new arrangment. Went to Home depot to grab a spool of 12 ga. After the first 60 seconds I realized what a waste of money I just spent, soundstage shrunk,highs were shrill,low end not even close and the mids were soft. Even the wife heard the difference. Needless to say I put the room back the way it was,noway in hell I would settle for that crap. Cables do matter. I don't think you have to spend 3 g's for good sound but if I had a system with 50 g's of gear,I for sure would consider it. Cable makers have various products to move up to as your gear moves up. You will not hear a big difference with a 500 buck cable on some Sony bookies. You will not also hear a big diff. if your swapping various 50 buck cables either. Untill you have EXPERIENCE with other cable brands at different price points, your opinion is not valid. Plenty of bank for you buck cables exist for those with midfi and below systems.HT SYSTEM-
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Like virtually all manufacturers do. However, some hype borders on science fiction while some hype is based upon more objective points.
I have no issue with the hype. My problem is with outright lies.
Such as Emotiva is Reference gear?
Cables are a lie to YOU, and YOU only in this instance. Not a lie to me, so it's not an outright lie. Get real.
So for the 23rd time:
What cables have you tried, and what gear do you have?I don't read the newsssspaperssss because dey aaaallllllllll...... have ugly print.
Living Room: B&K Reference 5 S2 / Parasound HCA-1000A / Emotiva XDA-2 / Pioneer BDP-51FD / Paradigm 11se MKiii
Desk: Schiit Magni 2 Uber / Schiit Modi 2 Uber / ISK HD9999
Office: Schiit Magni 2 Uber / Schiit Modi 2 Uber / Dynaco SCA-80Q / Paradigm Legend V.3
HT: Denon AVR-X3400H / Sony UBP-X700 / RT16 / CS350LS / RT7 / SVS PB1000 -
sTiLlLeArNiNg wrote: »i think once you get into the $200+ PER cable realm you get to the point of diminishing return's.
Perhaps with your level of gear. What $200+ cables have you auditioned to come to your conclusion?
I will concede that is this hobby there is a point of diminishing returns but that point is subjective because everyone has their own threshold and budget. Many times it's budget that causes diminishing returns not the actual cost or performance.
H9"Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul! -
"World Class" Reference gear.
Oh yeah. My bad. Wouldn't want to under-sell them to anyone.I don't read the newsssspaperssss because dey aaaallllllllll...... have ugly print.
Living Room: B&K Reference 5 S2 / Parasound HCA-1000A / Emotiva XDA-2 / Pioneer BDP-51FD / Paradigm 11se MKiii
Desk: Schiit Magni 2 Uber / Schiit Modi 2 Uber / ISK HD9999
Office: Schiit Magni 2 Uber / Schiit Modi 2 Uber / Dynaco SCA-80Q / Paradigm Legend V.3
HT: Denon AVR-X3400H / Sony UBP-X700 / RT16 / CS350LS / RT7 / SVS PB1000
