emotiva vs adcom

F1nut

dorokusai wrote: »

Polk is actually well placed within the retail market. The penetration could be better but far more stalwarts of general consumer audio have dropped of the face of the planet....Polk, still kicking. I'd give Polk a B+.

You can buy Thiel/ Martin Logan/ Musical Fidelity by mail order now....even Velodyne used to be exclusive back in the day but Polk has always been at the level these manufacturers just entered. It's a smart move to diversify your market but going from high end audio retailer to Kmart? Talk about pulling out all the stops....yikes.

One can buy just about any piece of audio gear by mail order/Internet today, but that's not the point. I was referring to the mail order/Internet only audio businesses.

Yikes indeed, but it's worked well for Martha Stewart....or is she with Walmart? I don't shop either, so I'm not sure.

dorokusai

F1nut wrote: »

One can buy just about any piece of audio gear by mail order/Internet today, but that's not the point. I was referring to the mail order/Internet only audio businesses.

Yikes indeed, but it's worked well for Martha Stewart....or is she with Walmart? I don't shop either, so I'm not sure.

Sure but how many of them started in mail order? I'm positive that Adcom's sales division 5 year plan didn't include Kmart. It doesn't bother me as I could care less.

Isn't the Martha Stewart example the polar opposite? Adcom is already a quality product, now sold locally, where Martha Stewart is a common product with a fancy smile on the packaging. I don't think the analogy really works but I bet we could get Jstas to create an army of ground pounders to punish the non-believers.

I understand what you mean Jesse...the jist of it at least. But...just not the bigger picture of the marketing aspect, of the original product, in relation to its target audience.

It's cool that Kmartiens can check out Adcom, agreed....but if they start selling Watt Puppies...I'm checking out man.

Cogito

F1nut wrote: »

If you re-read my original post I'm sure it will sink in eventually. Hint: Take note that I did not refer to either amp you mentioned.

You didn't have to. Nor did I contradict you. I simply stated that either brand offers both power and performance because your comment could be construed as suggesting otherwise (Since ADCOM and Emotiva are part of the thread's topic).

Thanks for playing...

superjunior

this gets my vote
http://www.nagraaudio.com/highend/index.php

coolsax

Didn't someone on here contact Adcom though... and Adcom stated that Kmart was NOT an authorized dealer?

concealer404

Cogito wrote: »

You didn't have to. Nor did I contradict you. I simply stated that either brand offers both power and performance because your comment could be construed as suggesting otherwise (Since ADCOM and Emotiva are part of the thread's topic).

Thanks for playing...

You DO mean that his comment could be MISconstrued, yes?

All he was doing was saying that if you're focused on power only, you're never going to get true performance. It had NOTHING to do with any brands, only a fundamental problem that affects many.

I didn't think it was really that confusing.

SolidSqual

F1nut wrote: »

As long as you continue to think that serious power is what's required to get the best performance, you will continue to suffer with sub-par performance.

F1Nut has a good point here. I have a pair of Emotiva XPA-1 amps arriving in the coming year that I absolutely love paired with my RTia9s in my newly formed 2 channel HT system. But, I also have an Audio Research LS17 pre for 2 channel duty that offers excellent tube goodness (later this pre will be a cornerstone in my new 2 channel system). IMO, the pairing of SS amps and a tube pre is a match made in heaven.

dorokusai

SolidSqual wrote: »

IMO, the pairing of SS amps and a tube pre is a match made in heaven.

Shocking.

Pauly

I almost bought a Sony cuz it said "1100 Watts"

FAIL


Pauly

bluecomet

I think Sears bought K mart so it makes sense you could buy the Adcom in both places. What retail stores push Polk now that Circuit City is gone. Best Buy seems to push Sony and Yamaha speakers and it is the low end of there speaker line to boot. I used to listen to Polk speakers at Circuit City. Twenty years ago there was a serious Audio store named Hart electronics where you could hear high end pieces like the Polk SDA SRS speakers but the store closed when Circuit City came to town selling Polk low end gear. Any good audio gear such as Adcom, brought into common retail stores is a sight for sore eyes and ears in my opinion.

dorokusai

bluecomet wrote: »

I think Sears bought K mart so it makes sense you could buy the Adcom in both places. What retail stores push Polk now that Circuit City is gone. Best Buy seems to push Sony and Yamaha speakers and it is the low end of there speaker line to boot. I used to listen to Polk speakers at Circuit City. Twenty years ago there was a serious Audio store named Hart electronics where you could hear high end pieces like the Polk SDA SRS speakers but the store closed when Circuit City came to town selling Polk low end gear. Any good audio gear such as Adcom, brought into common retail stores is a sight for sore eyes and ears in my opinion.

BC - I'm as upset at the local audio shop demise as you appear to be, flag waving and all that ****. To think that our hifi has downgraded to the point of a pimply faced kid makes me want to go postal.

That being said what your local BB does in regards to sales practices is what it is. Polk has little control over retail practice unlike Bose. Polk Audio is a new product for the BB chain and I would expect the usual suspects to push what they know. It's got nothing to do with good, better, best type stuff. Isn't that in a strange way how it all works? I'm not yay or ney...just a user, buyer and observer.

This company isn't aggressive enough for my tastes and unless newborn babies are being barcoded with Polk logos, my job isn't done. One of the biggest questions I'm asked in my travels? "What speakers do you own?". I don't know, whatever I dig up. I have all kinds of stuff in storage and if I based my head in one place, I'd be useless. That's naturally subject to discussion.

Pauly

dorokusai wrote: »

This company isn't aggressive enough for my tastes and unless newborn babies are being barcoded with Polk logos, my job isn't done.

Sig material right there Mark



Pauly

SolidSqual

dorokusai wrote: »

Shocking.

Yeah, but not like the time I stuck the screw driver in my Dodd and shocked the **** outta myself.

dorokusai

That's something us know it alls usually keep to ourselves I could write a couple paragraphs on what not to do while holding a screwdriver and a beer.

bluecomet

I like to go into the local best buy store and ask the so called twenty year old sales associate if I can bi-wire these speakers I am holding. The look on there face is typically a deer in head lights. Totally clueless. If I ask them anything technical it completely blows there mind and they have to run to see the manager. I am just messing with these kids, I already know the answer. It is sad for the hobby but at least there are places like the Polk forum to meet and discuss audio equipment. I have learned more things in a year here than anywhere else. I guess the best we can do is buy off Crutchfield for example test out the speakers or equipment and if we don't like it send it back. I miss the old days. Just a forty something guy venting.

dkg999

I'm going to guess that a contracts attorney at Adcom has now gotten a lesson in what language and structure needs to go into a distribution agreement with a multi-brand enterprise like Sears.

heiney9

With all the questions from noobs about Emotiva I think we should name this website

Polkativa

Sure do get a lot of questions in regards to Emotiva.

H9

concealer404

heiney9 wrote: »

With all the questions from noobs about Emotiva I think we should name this website

Polkativa

Sure do get a lot of questions in regards to Emotiva.

H9

I'm going to join over there and ONLY ask questions about Polk. I bet they'd tell me to leave and ask my questions here.

RyanJoz

Adcom's website lists unauthorized retailers and both kmart.com and sears.com are in that list.

http://www.adcom.com/dealer_locator.aspx

coolsax wrote: »

Didn't someone on here contact Adcom though... and Adcom stated that Kmart was NOT an authorized dealer?

Cogito

RyanJoz wrote: »

Adcom's website lists unauthorized retailers and both kmart.com and sears.com are in that list.

http://www.adcom.com/dealer_locator.aspx

Interesting... I see that Kmart offers a 2-year warranty for $50.00. for the GFA-5500. Granted, the ADCOM warranty is 5 years, but at a price of $600.00, it may be worth it anyway.

nooshinjohn

concealer404 wrote: »

I'm going to join over there and ONLY ask questions about Polk. I bet they'd tell me to leave and ask my questions here.

I'm with you bro, but you will most likely be shunned and then banned. Perhaps you could go by the name sLOwPolKy over there... j/k:D

apphd

F1nut wrote: »

Curt gets it!

For those that are poo-pooing the fact that Sears and K-Mart are selling separates, you are looking at it all wrong. The fact that common folks can walk into their local store, see, touch and hear the product makes it easy for them to move up the ladder and does wonders for this hobby. These are folks that will never in a million years purchase an emo or any other audio gear off the internet.

It's also a very smart business move by Adcom as there are fewer and fewer of the mom and pop audio stores around these days for them to sell their products at. Polk would do well to look into doing the same.

Well said. It's the product not where it is sold. While it is not all good the small audio stores are going the way of the dodo bird at least there may be some place you can walk in and listen and touch something before buying. Sears actually have some good TVs at competitive prices.

heiney9 wrote: »

With all the questions from noobs about Emotiva I think we should name this website

Polkativa

Sure do get a lot of questions in regards to Emotiva.

H9

It could be that CP (for the most part) has a decent rep for good info and people think they will get better unbiased comments from a more neutral site than the manufactures site.

nooshinjohn

apphd wrote: »

It could be that CP (for the most part) has a decent rep for good info and people think they will get better unbiased comments from a more neutral site than the manufactures site.

It is also likely that they already own the gear and come over here every time someone has an amp question to push their agenda.

cfrizz

sTiLlLeArNiNg wrote: »

ROTFLMFAO I pissed myself! hahaha

I'm not knockin' Adcom i just find it funny that they are available from Sears & Kmart! I didn't think they catered to "audiophile's"! Do ya think you could pick me up some lamp cord to make speaker wire's while you're there?

Guess that's just what it take's these day's

The used market can keep their 20+ year old amp's with cap's as swollen as my knees after a game of hockey....

PS: I tried Emotiva, i liked Emotiva, i bought more Emotiva. Hand's down best bang for buck IMHO

I think it's pretty great that Adcom, has found other outlets to sell their gear. without stores, they lose a huge market share. Those amps for sale at Kmart & Sears are current offerings not 20 year old products so what is your point?

More & more boutique music stores are going out of busines or are simply inaccessible. So putting their gear where people can see it, and go home with it can only be a good thing.

This time you are simply trying to cause trouble where none exists Still. KNOCK IT OFF!

dudeinaroom

You tell him Cathy. Has he posted anything that is not trying to start an argument.

heiney9

That's what sTiLlLeArNiNg does. This was (is) a pretty good and informational thread and now starts the rapid decline. :rolleyes:

F1nut

concealer404 wrote: »

All he was doing was saying that if you're focused on power only, you're never going to get true performance. It had NOTHING to do with any brands, only a fundamental problem that affects many.

Bingo!

I didn't think it was really that confusing.

Then again, you're not Cogito.

WilliamM2

F1nut wrote: »

Curt gets it!

For those that are poo-pooing the fact that Sears and K-Mart are selling separates, you are looking at it all wrong. The fact that common folks can walk into their local store, see, touch and hear the product makes it easy for them to move up the ladder and does wonders for this hobby. These are folks that will never in a million years purchase an emo or any other audio gear off the internet.

These items are internet only, not available in stores.

It's also a very smart business move by Adcom as there are fewer and fewer of the mom and pop audio stores around these days for them to sell their products at. Polk would do well to look into doing the same.

According to Adcom, Kmart and Sears are not authorized to sell their gear.

Great prices though. That 7705 is at least $2200 anywhere else.

heiney9

My guess is perhaps these are refurbs............I do caution anyone considering buying from them to really do the research.

Althought the 555 SE is pretty new to have a load of refurbs already and in regards to amps they never seemed to have too many issues. The DVDp GDV850 and GDV870 were real stinkers and most of what you see F/S these days are refurbs. I bought a refurb for less than $100 and WOW was the picture stunning, but it had the worst transformer hum both at the unit and thru my system I have ever heard. Luckily the guy took it back and resold it.

H9

F1nut

WilliamM2 wrote: »

These items are internet only, not available in stores.

Well, that certainly nullifies my comment on the matter.