Mfw-15

gtu2004

Matt34 wrote: »

I think you need to read a little further into just how wide and far reaching AV123's issues are. From stolen charity monies, amp failures, shoddy veneer and QC, outstanding refunds, MFW getting shipped without any screws holding in the woofer, soft MDF, people that prepaid for products 2-3 years ago for a product that has never became more than a napkin drawing (in these cases we are talking as much as $6500). $4500 speakers getting shipped 1.5-2 years late then showing up incomplete and way past multiple deadlines set by MLS himself.

I got suckered in and was a "fanboy" for them but there is no way I could ever recommend them again, regardless of how "awesome" of a deal they have or how enthusiastically the new pack of fanboies tout their products. There are too many GOOD quality companies out there to spend my hard earned money on and not have the headaches or the doubts. To me that is worth the little extra price.

-Sincerely, one of the lucky ones that only got hosed on about $300 and just a couple broken promises.

i guess that's where the smarts of the buyers come in. I only buy what is available.

megasat16

gtu2004 wrote: »

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and SVS have their own problems as well if you look for it and SVS owners often refuse to bring them up. what's the point?

Are you having problems understanding what other people said or you just trying to persuade other people to buy MFW-15 knowingly it has many problems?

In case you don't get it, what I am saying before is that "I have no need to take sides. But Truth must be told regardless of SVS, ED, AV123 or Polk."

Did I ever say SVS has no problems? I know they must have some problems. But it's not as much as AV123 is having problems with MFW15. Take some cool aids and you got to stop kidding people around here. Most of us knew about AV123 and MFW15. If you are so eager to bring up problems for SVS, go read on AVS Forums about SVS complaints. I am sure there are people who complains about SVS.

JYAJoe

megasat16 wrote: »

Are you having problems understanding what other people said or you just trying to persuade other people to buy MFW-15 knowingly it has many problems?

In case you don't get it, what I am saying before is that "I have no need to take sides. But Truth must be told regardless of SVS, ED, AV123 or Polk."

Did I ever say SVS has no problems? I know they must have some problems. But it's not as much as AV123 is having problems with MFW15. Take some cool aids and you got to stop kidding people around here. Most of us knew about AV123 and MFW15. If you are so eager to bring up problems for SVS, go read on AVS Forums about SVS complaints. I am sure there are people who complains about SVS.

Mattera fact Ive done this, Lots of pleasant responses on the ULTRA only. Many dont like the plus or the cyclindar sub.

JYAJoe

"Repairs are also very rare, but of course it happens that an amp will die on occasion, BASH amps we use today are good but hardly indestructible."

Ron
SVS


I received this statement from Ron at SVS in an email, However I have seen more problems that led me to believe the problem is more than rare.

JYAJoe

I said one bad thing about SVS at avscience forum and it was deleted instantly. Really wasnt that bad, But probably why info is hard to find. They obviously dump revenue into forums for problems to go away.

megasat16

JYAJoe wrote: »

I said one bad thing about SVS at avscience forum and it was deleted instantly. Really wasnt that bad, But probably why info is hard to find. They obviously dump revenue into forums for problems to go away.

I never have my posts deleted on AVS be it good or bad reviews about any product. I also didn't have any problem there when I wrote a short review on ED A7s-450 vs. SVS PB13U.

JYAJoe

I made 1 post about why SVS doesnt answer the phones as nice as possible. Then this reply was made then tread deleted.


---Quote (Originally by Chu Gai)---
If you had a terribly pressing issue, you could have asked it here. But you're the guy who posted in the "I've had it up to here..." thread after reading about an owner's cluster-**** when it came to customer service issues spanning over a year then went scurrying to that same place. After speaking with people there, you're now of the opinion that the OP in that thread was somewhat delusional and decided to buy their subs. Hey, enjoy their customer service.

Someone seems to protecting soething or someone.

Joe

rdb2001

Not to be mean, but operator why are you still dragging this thread on when in AV123 forum on 12/11 you posted that you just ordered 2 MFW15's. If that is the case let this thread die and be happy with your choice. No need to continue to try and carry this on when you have already made your choice. It really makes it seem like you have an underlying motive now.

megasat16

Sorry Joe! I don't understand why AVS would be protecting something or someone. SVS may probably have a connection or contribute to AVS financially. But I don't think it's the reason to delete any reasonable post. If your post is really nice and got deleted, I think it's due to other things such as your post count (newb), and newb saying something bad about another company which is hard to believe, etc. You may also have unknowingly or knowingly offended some mods there. Or your post is totally unrelated in a way that they think it's not reasonable (even though it seems reasonable to you). Or you violated their forum rules.

Anyway, back to the regularly scheduled program about picking your subs. And Good Luck!

JYAJoe

rdb2001 wrote: »

Not to be mean, but operator why are you still dragging this thread on when in AV123 forum on 12/11 you posted that you just ordered 2 MFW15's. If that is the case let this thread die and be happy with your choice. No need to continue to try and carry this on when you have already made your choice. It really makes it seem like you have an underlying motive now.

Ive already stated that yes Ive ordered. Also stated that I had ordered 2 of the SVS NSD but after reviewing further the SVS is far from what I need. Now as far as 2 of th MFW's several other things have been brought to my attention by Ron Temple about the matters with this comapny and it put me back on the fence and still in a nuetral position. Yes ordered but not shipped or received.

rdb2001

JYAJoe wrote: »

Ive already stated that yes Ive ordered. Also stated that I had ordered 2 of the SVS NSD but after reviewing further the SVS is far from what I need. Now as far as 2 of th MFW's several other things have been brought to my attention by Ron Temple about the matters with this comapny and it put me back on the fence and still in a nuetral position. Yes ordered but not shipped or received.

My apologies, glad you are doing in inhome demo. I think that is the best way to go. Hope you find what you are looking for.

JYAJoe

megasat16 wrote: »

Sorry Joe! I don't understand why AVS would be protecting something or someone. SVS may probably have a connection or contribute to AVS financially. But I don't think it's the reason to delete any reasonable post. If your post is really nice and got deleted, I think it's due to other things such as your post count (newb), and newb saying something bad about another company which is hard to believe, etc. You may also have unknowingly or knowingly offended some mods there. Or your post is totally unrelated in a way that they think it's not reasonable (even though it seems reasonable to you). Or you violated their forum rules.

Anyway, back to the regularly scheduled program about picking your subs. And Good Luck!

Well you got me there.it was my first post and they stated in an email that I was trying to contact the manufacture through their website. As the mod that posted the reply stated that I should have come to ask privately, pretty much. lesson learned. But it still didnt solve my problem.

Ron Temple

Joe, I'm trying to get a handle on you. I'm not sure if you're looking for good information or crapping in the fishpond. Your posts come off as someone who might want help, but could be fhishing/trolling. If you're sincere, then fine...what's your experience with subs...what's your budget? Hsu makes great subs, Epik makes great subs, Outlaw makes great subs, ED makes great subs, SVS makes great subs, Rythmik makes great subs, Seaton makes great subs, TCA will make great subs and a trouble free MFW15 is a great sub. There's too much competition out there. Each company is going to try to make you happy. Make a decision, whether it be based on price, looks or whatever.

In regards to SVS, Erik Kroner (one of the owners) answers the sales phone 5 days a week from 9:00AM to 6:00PM and the CS team including Ron Stimpson (other owner) reply to emails 7 days a week. Ocasionally, an email gets lost. Obviously, yours did not since Ron replied to you (BTW several OEMs use BASH amps in their designs customized for their subs. The failure rate is very small, but it happens. When it does, the OEM just sends you a replacement if it's in warranty. It's a non-issue). If an AVS mod deleted your post, it's probably because he objected to your tone. The Sub forum used to be an ongoing fanboy battle between various camps and they are sensitive to possible trolling. They used to delete SVS threads right and left due to the overwhelming number (in proportion to other sub threads) started by new owners. Believe me, they aren't getting preferential treatment. They mod that forum fairly strictly. Hey, I've had a post or two deleted now and then without any explanation...could be totally innocent.

Regarding AV123...don't use me as an excuse to pull the plug on your order. I alerted you to some of the problems with both the sub (supposedly fixed) and the company. You can find out all about it yourself. It's a buyer beware situation and that's why the price is so low. That doesn't mean it's not a great deal.

JYAJoe

Ron Temple wrote: »

Joe, I'm trying to get a handle on you. I'm not sure if you're looking for good information or crapping in the fishpond. Your posts come off as someone who might want help, but could be fhishing/trolling. If you're sincere, then fine...what's your experience with subs...what's your budget? Hsu makes great subs, Epik makes great subs, Outlaw makes great subs, ED makes great subs, SVS makes great subs, Rythmik makes great subs, Seaton makes great subs, TCA will make great subs and a trouble free MFW15 is a great sub. There's too much competition out there. Each company is going to try to make you happy. Make a decision, whether it be based on price, looks or whatever.

In regards to SVS, Erik Kroner (one of the owners) answers the sales phone 5 days a week from 9:00AM to 6:00PM and the CS team including Ron Stimpson (other owner) reply to emails 7 days a week. Ocasionally, an email gets lost. Obviously, yours did not since Ron replied to you (BTW several OEMs use BASH amps in their designs customized for their subs. The failure rate is very small, but it happens. When it does, the OEM just sends you a replacement if it's in warranty. It's a non-issue). If an AVS mod deleted your post, it's probably because he objected to your tone. The Sub forum used to be an ongoing fanboy battle between various camps and they are sensitive to possible trolling. They used to delete SVS threads right and left due to the overwhelming number (in proportion to other sub threads) started by new owners. Believe me, they aren't getting preferential treatment. They mod that forum fairly strictly. Hey, I've had a post or two deleted now and then without any explanation...could be totally innocent.

Regarding AV123...don't use me as an excuse to pull the plug on your order. I alerted you to some of the problems with both the sub (supposedly fixed) and the company. You can find out all about it yourself. It's a buyer beware situation and that's why the price is so low. That doesn't mean it's not a great deal.

Right now I feel like im just crapping in the pond, when I hear SVSVSVSVSVSVSVSSVSVSVSVSVSVSV. I know there are better subs for a much better price. What sub that is I have yet to find out. I have demoed the NSD and not near what I want but cost as much if not more than others in the line up. Such as the polk speakers. I have demoed all the polk line and not near the quality of sound I like. Others line ups I dont have the availability to see or hear.

Not that im trying to feed my starving family to buy a subwoofer. But hey I like to save as much as the next person. Just finding opinions and wanting answers. Its like you buying a car, Probably shop at all 50 dealeships before making a decision, thats your right. They dont ask you to leave the dealership or ban you from their property as the forums do trying to make the best deal you can. Hey what can I say I enjoy it. Swhy Im here.

As far as using you as an excuse I never asked you to hit the submit button in front of you. But to use you as reference is not the result of me canceling an order. I mention to the other poster only the things you listed in your post. Ive researched them and your correct.

As it stands I do have the MFW's ordered. Your post helped me alot to find more research and I thank you for that. I may demo these and like them, but maybe not. I can send them back at my expense.

Thanks

speakergeek

JYAJoe wrote: »

Right now I feel like im just crapping in the pond, when I hear SVSVSVSVSVSVSVSSVSVSVSVSVSVSV. I know there are better subs for a much better price. What sub that is I have yet to find out. I have demoed the NSD and not near what I want but cost as much if not more than others in the line up. Such as the polk speakers. I have demoed all the polk line and not near the quality of sound I like. Others line ups I dont have the availability to see or hear.

Not that im trying to feed my starving family to buy a subwoofer. But hey I like to save as much as the next person. Just finding opinions and wanting answers. Its like you buying a car, Probably shop at all 50 dealeships before making a decision, thats your right. They dont ask you to leave the dealership or ban you from their property as the forums do trying to make the best deal you can. Hey what can I say I enjoy it. Swhy Im here.

As far as using you as an excuse I never asked you to hit the submit button in front of you. But to use you as reference is not the result of me canceling an order. I mention to the other poster only the things you listed in your post. Ive researched them and your correct.

As it stands I do have the MFW's ordered. Your post helped me alot to find more research and I thank you for that. I may demo these and like them, but maybe not. I can send them back at my expense.

Thanks

Good luck, and I hope your sub works when you get it.;)

Sherardp

Well I for one, would definitely heed the responses about this company before spending any coin with them. If it's not SVS then try out an Epik sub, the reports are in and they look very good. ED also makes some excellent product so there are other options out there for very good prices. On a personal note, as Ron mentioned I have had nothing but excellent service from SVS, to include email responses over the weekend.

I hope the MFWs work well for you and that you don't ever experience any driver/amp issues. My only fear would be the lack of support with the product. On another note, thanks for the compliments in regard to my HT.

Ron Temple

Fact is there's not a ton of difference between 12" ID subs from the companies under discussion and the $5-700 pricepoint. Sure you're liable to prefer one over another subjectively, but all exhibit similar frequency response and comparable output. The MFW15 is an exception, in that it was meant to sell at a higher pricepoint. It has greater output than a 12", good sound quality and it's selling so cheap. It represents a large percentage of the cash AV123 is generating. If they stabilize, the price will go up or they'll phase out this model and charge more for the next rev. It's not like MLS hasn't delivered great products, it's where the cash goes...and what happens when it's gone, that's the problem.

JYAJoe

Sherardp wrote: »

Well I for one, would definitely heed the responses about this company before spending any coin with them. If it's not SVS then try out an Epik sub, the reports are in and they look very good. ED also makes some excellent product so there are other options out there for very good prices. On a personal note, as Ron mentioned I have had nothing but excellent service from SVS, to include email responses over the weekend.

I hope the MFWs work well for you and that you don't ever experience any driver/amp issues. My only fear would be the lack of support with the product. On another note, thanks for the compliments in regard to my HT.

Compliments go were they are deserved. Well planned HT room.

Guess im old fashion because I still have a phone, And I use it. I would expect the receiving party to do the same, Specially a company. We dont need to answer a phone makes a bad statement to me. IMHO

When I go to EPIK site everything says out of stock. I have emailed them a countless times and still no response. I gave up on them. And it sux cause I hear their name over over and over.

I have read over 50-60 pages of posts and more emails than I can imagine on the subject. Best customer service around in my opinion. MLS is a Superb gentleman. And his wisdom cannot go unnoticed. As well as his devotion and time to the audio field. I can phone him this second and he will answer. I hear this everywhere. Also I have never once read 1 single word that bashes the MFW. Not from people that own them as well as the ones that work for that matter. The people that hear and demo them are WOWED. The problems seem to be behind them the company. He made some extremly BAD choices. But again his devotion the cannot go unnoticed. Its worth trying for 30 days.

JYAJoe

Ron Temple wrote: »

Fact is there's not a ton of difference between 12" ID subs from the companies under discussion and the $5-700 pricepoint. Sure you're liable to prefer one over another subjectively, but all exhibit similar frequency response and comparable output. The MFW15 is an exception, in that it was meant to sell at a higher pricepoint. It has greater output than a 12", good sound quality and it's selling so cheap. It represents a large percentage of the cash AV123 is generating. If they stabilize, the price will go up or they'll phase out this model and charge more for the next rev. It's not like MLS hasn't delivered great products, it's where the cash goes...and what happens when it's gone, that's the problem.

Take a NSD that sells for 569.00 + for shipping. Great spec, but didnt do the job for me. I even demoed in a smaller room than I have. But how to justify the cost to the next level when otput is not that incredibly different such as with the PB12plus. Step up of over 1200.00 dollars, Lots of room there price wise. And for what advantage. I need dual sub to fit the bill, and just dont get spending 2400.00 to do this. Overkill

Obviously you are business minded. That is something big to take in consideration. 4 year warranty would be useless. Too many good companies out these that were able to turn things around when in this position. AV123 rocket speakers seem to be selling good, hey but what do I know.

I want the best out there for about that price point 500-700 without doing a DYI. Not many out there that hit really HARD.

JYAJoe

My question was "Should I not buy a MFW-15 until the upgrades are out"

Mark S says:

That's a question neither Kevin nor I can answer for you or anyone else. I have no first hand experience with the new amplifiers, but I do know them to be a more robust design than the original amps. Only you can decide if the latest and greatest deal is a good enough value with all factors and options considered.

When anyone buys an MFW-15 shouldn't have any bearing on being able to upgrade it. While I haven't chatted with MLS or others at AV123 for quite some time, my expectation is that the current (near giveaway) sale prices will not continue indefinitely and are not sustainable for all that many more months. The purpose of this kit is to offer a very high performance upgrade that doesn't require the significant hassle or risk of shipping these big boxes and allows those who like the size and finish of their MFW-15 to make the upgrade without having to find another product which fits in the same space with their preferred finish.

Of course, the SubMersive is very close in size, and is another option worth considering if you don't mind finding a new home for an MFW-15 (assuming someone already owns one). The other value in the MFW-15 vs. another option of comparable total cost is that you can make the step up to the turbo kit when ever you desire or when budget better allows it.

__________________
Mark Seaton
Seaton Sound, Inc.
SeatonSound@comcast.net


Options to upgrade existing MFW-15 is nice. And at a near giveaway price as described by MS where could I go wrong.;)

Joe

Matt34

JYAJoe wrote: »

....where could I go wrong.;)

Joe

See my list above. MLS is a con-man and a thief but if you can look past that, I'm sure it's a great deal.

JYAJoe

Matt34 wrote: »

See my list above. MLS is a con-man and a thief but if you can look past that, I'm sure it's a great deal.

Yea I understand Matt, Thanks again

thsmith

NoLeImmurem wrote: »

I am currently upgrading my sub in my home theater and I was really set on the MFW15, til I saw the outlaw sub. It looks like a rebaged HSU. Just trying to see who has experience with the sub. Both seem to dig deep to about 16hz and in room could be lower. I just want to make the right decision. Thanks guys

Probably need to start your own thread.

But the outlaw is a very capable sub but I prefer the HSU 3 3.

JYAJoe

thsmith wrote: »

Probably need to start your own thread.

But the outlaw is a very capable sub but I prefer the HSU 3 3.

That would be me first choice after my reviews, HSU...But even with all thier problems it is still hard to rule out MFW.

JYAJoe

So had my dual MFW-15's for about 2 weeks and as Ive never owned SVS, HSU or outlaw I must say, how does it get any better for $998.00. Still keeping my fingers crossed AV123 will be around if needed in next 4 years but with the upgrade that will be available from Mark Seaton I just dont see where i can go wrong. ROCK ON!!!!!!