Mfw-15
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Very helpful,,,thanksspeakergeek wrote: »http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9164136#post9164136
This is a good link. Kind of dated, but a good reference point for the two subs. -
Ron Temple wrote: »Oops, so someone took the fatal step. Did he get working MFWs?
Oh boy -
Ron Temple wrote: »Oops, so someone took the fatal step. Did he get working MFWs?
please read my post again. i bought one myself and i have absolutely no issue with the sub. and since the introduction of the new amps, the complaints have been almost non-existent. And for your information, his sub is fine as well and he thanks you for your concern. But yes, you are wrong again. I've had an SVS PB-10 in the past and even though the sub was a budget one, I think it was a great product and SVS is a great company. Now I'm not comparing the performance of the PB10 to the MFW but think of PB10 being priced at $475 shipped and I bought my MFW for $450 shipped A stock, new directly from av123, I think it's unfair to NOT mention how av123 compared to svs in term of value. And yes, MFW is a few classes above the PB10 if you must know about the performance.
i think the only reason why you like to get all riled up when it comes to MFW is because you are a little pissed off that a product 1/3 the cost of your sub can get close in term performance. You've previously acted the same way in another MFW thread as well. I don't know for sure and there's no way I can examine this but I doubt you ever heard an MFW. rdb2001's post can be something you should read if you haven't heard an MFW.
One thing for sure though, I feel that you are blinded by your own unfound bias.Onkyo 805, RtiA5s, Csi5, Rti6s -
Wait a minute you have 2 differnet subs? What is wrong with the SVS for music.
I want something that can tackle them both.
What other subs have you used in the past, Thanks
I have a 2ch system and a Ht combined. The M&K sub is for Music with
my Primare 2ch pre-amp and Theta dig playback. The Big Ultra-13 is for
HT with my Anthem AVM-30.
I have had lots of sub over the years: B&W 800asw:cool:
Klipsch THX Ultra2 subs:D:D:D
Paradigm DSP-3400;)
JL Audio F-113:D:D:DLinn AV5140 fronts
Linn AV5120 Center
Linn AV5140 Rears
M&K MX-70 Sub for Music
Odyssey Mono-Blocs
SVS Ultra-13 Gloss Black:D -
Naah, the design is great and performance is top notch. It's been the manufacturing issues that garner criticism. I know many that feel exactly as you do...more power to you. I was just being snide cuz you ruined my metaphor in my first posti think the only reason why you like to get all riled up when it comes to MFW is because you are a little pissed off that a product 1/3 the cost of your sub can get close in term performance. You've previously acted the same way in another MFW thread as well. I don't know for sure and there's no way I can examine this but I doubt you ever heard an MFW. rdb2001's post can be something you should read if you haven't heard an MFW.
One thing for sure though, I feel that you are blinded by your own unfound bias.
. If you're one of the folks that haven't had any problem with AV123, then I can understand your loyalty.
AV123 has been buried in bad press for well over a year due to some reverses and business practices. As you know, there's a very vocal anti-AV123/MLS crowd posting on many forums. When I've bothered to post in those threads, I've proposed letting AV123 get back on it's feet in order to handle most of those complaints. I don't however, recommend AV123 except with a warning that one check them out thoroughly and understand their situation. Threads like this get started to spark interest away from all the forum criticism.
The MFW15 was designed to offer high output with an efficient driver, thus requiring less power with the option of having some truly nice finishes. It was originally supposed to sell for $800 per unit, but probably should have had parts sourced for the $1000 price point to avoid some of the pitfalls that snagged it. Now it's selling for $500 to help generate cash.
As far as me being biased or jealous...that's horseshit. I went through several years of upgrading and trying new subs until I went with an Ultra13. It's a great sub, but there others out there that I have a hankering to try, I'm just not motivated to trade for more output (and I don't need it) if I'm not assured that I'm going to get another nice uptick in SQ. A Submersive or Danley would get me there, even the dual sealed A7-650 looks very interesting. Craig Chase and I are friends. I've been having many conversations about his new sealed 18" designs which are aimed at lower pricepoints than the Ultra, but should compete quite well somewhere between the Submersive and Danley in performance. I've danced with Epik. There are lots of great sub options. Working MFWs perform admirably, but don't kid yourself there are still folks that are having issues.
Combo rig:
Onkyo NR1007 pre-pro, Carver TFM 45(fronts), Carver TFM 35 (surrounds)
SDA 1C, CS400i, SDA 2B
PB13Ultra RO
BW Silvers
Oppo BDP-83SE -
Is it easy to believe that SVS has less than 1% return/part replacement rate on all subs sold.:rolleyes:
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Ron Temple wrote: »Naah, the design is great and performance is top notch. It's been the manufacturing issues that garner criticism. I know many that feel exactly as you do...more power to you. I was just being snide cuz you ruined my metaphor in my first post. If you're one of the folks that haven't had any problem with AV123, then I can understand your loyalty.
AV123 has been buried in bad press for well over a year due to some reverses and business practices. As you know, there's a very vocal anti-AV123/MLS crowd posting on many forums. When I've bothered to post in those threads, I've proposed letting AV123 get back on it's feet in order to handle most of those complaints. I don't however, recommend AV123 except with a warning that one check them out thoroughly and understand their situation. Threads like this get started to spark interest away from all the forum criticism.
The MFW15 was designed to offer high output with an efficient driver, thus requiring less power with the option of having some truly nice finishes. It was originally supposed to sell for $800 per unit, but probably should have had parts sourced for the $1000 price point to avoid some of the pitfalls that snagged it. Now it's selling for $500 to help generate cash.
As far as me being biased or jealous...that's horseshit. I went through several years of upgrading and trying new subs until I went with an Ultra13. It's a great sub, but there others out there that I have a hankering to try, I'm just not motivated to trade for more output (and I don't need it) if I'm not assured that I'm going to get another nice uptick in SQ. A Submersive or Danley would get me there, even the dual sealed A7-650 looks very interesting. Craig Chase and I are friends. I've been having many conversations about his new sealed 18" designs which are aimed at lower pricepoints than the Ultra, but should compete quite well somewhere between the Submersive and Danley in performance. I've danced with Epik. There are lots of great sub options. Working MFWs perform admirably, but don't kid yourself there are still folks that are having issues.
I tried to be as objective as possible. You cannot mention abt past problems and fail to address the solutions if there was one, and in this case, there were several.
Ultra is a great sub, no doubt abt that, and all my posts agree with that. but you should not pass on incorrect information based on your "guess" as a fact is all I'm saying.Onkyo 805, RtiA5s, Csi5, Rti6s -
Is it easy to believe that SVS has less than 1% return/part replacement rate on all subs sold.:rolleyes:
well, from what Mark Schifter told you, av123 return rate with the new amps has been abt 2% right? Of course, there are too many variables at play here and the information might not necessarily be correct.Onkyo 805, RtiA5s, Csi5, Rti6s -
This ignore feature is nice.Speakers: SDA-1C (most all the goodies)
Preamp: Joule Electra LA-150 MKII SE
Amp: Wright WPA 50-50 EAT KT88s
Analog: Marantz TT-15S1 MBS Glider SL| Wright WPP100C Amperex BB 6er5 and 7316 & WPM-100 SUT
Digital: Mac mini 2.3GHz dual-core i5 8g RAM 1.5 TB HDD Music Server Amarra (memory play) - USB - W4S DAC 2
Cables: Mits S3 IC and Spk cables| PS Audio PCs -
Is it easy to believe that SVS has less than 1% return/part replacement rate on all subs sold.:rolleyes:
If you want to go with MFW-15, go right ahead. But there are lots of good advises made here that you aren't willing to listen.
Try it, experience it, and cry for it.
To all MFW-15 owners, there is no need to go extra length to defend for MFW-15. The problem with plate amps in many production runs of MFW-15 is well documented in forums after forums. And the problems with no shipping of products after the payments are charged is also well known. I hope AV123 can truly turn around to make things better.Trying out Different Audio Cables is a Religious Affair. You don't discuss it with anyone. :redface::biggrin: -
well, from what Mark Schifter told you, av123 return rate with the new amps has been abt 2% right? Of course, there are too many variables at play here and the information might not necessarily be correct.
From the time new amps where supplied I think July, there has been 900 sold with 18 or 19 repaired. Some not having noting to do with amp.
The others probably UPS related. -
If you want to go with MFW-15, go right ahead. But there are lots of good advises made here that you aren't willing to listen.
Try it, experience it, and cry for it.
To all MFW-15 owners, there is no need to go extra length to defend for MFW-15. The problem with plate amps in many production runs of MFW-15 is well documented in forums after forums. And the problems with no shipping of products after the payments are charged is also well known. I hope AV123 can truly turn around to make things better.
i think i know which side you are on.Onkyo 805, RtiA5s, Csi5, Rti6s -
And the problems with no shipping of products after the payments are charged is also well known. I hope AV123 can truly turn around to make things better.
That is one of my main reasons to contact MLS @ AV123. As he was getting supplies in to fill new orders, but as the fualty amp calls were coming in he was having to send them to customers calling everyday complaining, which was probably everyone. He wanted to fix them first. Supplies ran out quick as they were ordered. So it slowed the outgoing orders. He stated a little over 400,000 has been spent to make repairs on some of 2800 subs sold. -
I tried to be as objective as possible. You cannot mention abt past problems and fail to address the solutions if there was one, and in this case, there were several.
While I don't follow all the threads, I still see complaints crop up regularly...some are from long time issues and grudges, but I still see the occasional amp hum, veneer cracking or complaints about MLS broken commitments. AV123 was/is in a deep crack and is trying to climb out. Sure, they're applying solutions and the failure rate is no longer staggering, but the economy...enough...books have been written about this stuff.
Hey, it was a clever metaphor and you ruined it...don't change the subjectUltra is a great sub, no doubt abt that, and all my posts agree with that. but you should not pass on incorrect information based on your "guess" as a fact is all I'm saying.
... and... I stand by my statement "in almost all cases".
Combo rig:
Onkyo NR1007 pre-pro, Carver TFM 45(fronts), Carver TFM 35 (surrounds)
SDA 1C, CS400i, SDA 2B
PB13Ultra RO
BW Silvers
Oppo BDP-83SE -
Not trying to defend this guy. I dont know him, but if he makes a good sub I can pick up for less than a DIY that outperforms or even runs close to even SVS NDS Ive got to take a second look.
Only reason to bring up his statements is the hope that someone will chim in and put it to rest. That they are still in trouble (which I have read otherwise) or they are back on their feet.
These subs will be selling over 1000.00 each but with a bigger amp soon.
I would like to secure my investment now at the better price. -
i think i know which side you are on.
Which side? I don't get a cut for any sub sales from anyone as well as no interest to promote or shoot down anyone's sub.
But truth needs to be told regardless of SVS or AV123 or ED or Polk. May be someone else truth is someone's untruth / lies. Who knows? As long as yours has no problem. It's not true for you. Regardless, people here are saying that such problems exist. So, one can take caution or bite the bullet with an eye closed. I don't see any problem in either one of that choice.
I have Dual PB13U as well as Dual ED A7s-450 and 4 PSW1000. I never hail for any of them. But I don't have any problem with any of mine so far either.Trying out Different Audio Cables is a Religious Affair. You don't discuss it with anyone. :redface::biggrin: -
Ron Temple wrote: »While I don't follow all the threads, I still see complaints crop up regularly...some are from long time issues and grudges, but I still see the occasional amp hum, veneer cracking or complaints about MLS broken commitments. AV123 was/is in a deep crack and is trying to climb out. Sure, they're applying solutions and the failure rate is no longer staggering, but the economy...enough...books have been written about this stuff.
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Best input you have put this whole tread, Thanks it starting to make sense.
However 1st ive heard of the veneer cracking or that it was wide spread. Major issue if thats the case. -
Best input you have put this whole tread, Thanks it starting to make sense.
However 1st ive heard of the veneer cracking or that it was wide spread. Major issue if thats the case.
I think you need to read a little further into just how wide and far reaching AV123's issues are. From stolen charity monies, amp failures, shoddy veneer and QC, outstanding refunds, MFW getting shipped without any screws holding in the woofer, soft MDF, people that prepaid for products 2-3 years ago for a product that has never became more than a napkin drawing (in these cases we are talking as much as $6500). $4500 speakers getting shipped 1.5-2 years late then showing up incomplete and way past multiple deadlines set by MLS himself.
I got suckered in and was a "fanboy" for them but there is no way I could ever recommend them again, regardless of how "awesome" of a deal they have or how enthusiastically the new pack of fanboies tout their products. There are too many GOOD quality companies out there to spend my hard earned money on and not have the headaches or the doubts. To me that is worth the little extra price.
-Sincerely, one of the lucky ones that only got hosed on about $300 and just a couple broken promises. -
I think you need to read a little further into just how wide and far reaching AV123's issues are. From stolen charity monies, amp failures, shoddy veneer and QC, outstanding refunds, MFW getting shipped without any screws holding in the woofer, soft MDF, people that prepaid for products 2-3 years ago for a product that has never became more than a napkin drawing (in these cases we are talking as much as $6500). $4500 speakers getting shipped 1.5-2 years late then showing up incomplete and way past multiple deadlines set by MLS himself.
I got suckered in and was a "fanboy" for them but there is no way I could ever recommend them again, regardless of how "awesome" of a deal they have or how enthusiastically the new pack of fanboies tout their products. There are too many GOOD quality companies out there to spend my hard earned money on and not have the headaches or the doubts. To me that is worth the little extra price.
-Sincerely, one of the lucky ones that only got hosed on over $300 and just a couple broken promises.
Guess I missed half of it, Thanks for stepping up -
Now Im back at 1st base. SVS or HSU
Damn this is wearing me out.........:( -
Now Im back at 1st base. SVS or HSU
Damn this is wearing me out.........:(
What are you willing to spend? What size room is it going in and what are your listening preferences? Is DIY out of the question? I think we can help you more if you give us some specifics.;) -
If you can wait a month or so, check out Tweak City Audio new dual 10" sub. I think he's going to bundle pairs for around $700.00 (don't quote me). He'll also have a single and dual 18" sealed with a 20" footprint...pricing maybe on his site, but I'd say it's still a moving target.Now Im back at 1st base. SVS or HSU
Damn this is wearing me out.........:(
Combo rig:
Onkyo NR1007 pre-pro, Carver TFM 45(fronts), Carver TFM 35 (surrounds)
SDA 1C, CS400i, SDA 2B
PB13Ultra RO
BW Silvers
Oppo BDP-83SE -
What are you willing to spend? What size room is it going in and what are your listening preferences? Is DIY out of the question? I think we can help you more if you give us some specifics.;)
Room is 17 x 28 with large opening into kitchen area which is the far side of the front speakers. Small opening to the right and middle of room.
ROCK, POP ROCK, SOME COUNTRY
Ready to get system up and running and have no time for DIY.
Looks interesting though
Joe -
Ron Temple wrote: »If you can wait a month or so, check out Tweak City Audio new dual 10" sub. I think he's going to bundle pairs for around $700.00 (don't quote me). He'll also have a single and dual 18" sealed with a 20" footprint...pricing maybe on his site, but I'd say it's still a moving target.
Hey Ron ! Merry Christmas ! Good to see you out and about.
I need to give you a call to chat.Speakers: SDA-1C (most all the goodies)
Preamp: Joule Electra LA-150 MKII SE
Amp: Wright WPA 50-50 EAT KT88s
Analog: Marantz TT-15S1 MBS Glider SL| Wright WPP100C Amperex BB 6er5 and 7316 & WPM-100 SUT
Digital: Mac mini 2.3GHz dual-core i5 8g RAM 1.5 TB HDD Music Server Amarra (memory play) - USB - W4S DAC 2
Cables: Mits S3 IC and Spk cables| PS Audio PCs -
Ron Temple wrote: »If you can wait a month or so, check out Tweak City Audio new dual 10" sub. I think he's going to bundle pairs for around $700.00 (don't quote me). He'll also have a single and dual 18" sealed with a 20" footprint...pricing maybe on his site, but I'd say it's still a moving target.
Obviously going to take me atleast that long
Thanks for the heads up -
Was told that 2 of these will walk all over the PB13 -Ultra
http://www.av123.com//index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=265&category_id=9&manufacturer_id=0&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=37
Any input?
Joe
There's one for sale at Audiogon:
http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?homesubw&1265852807&/AV123-MFW-15-SubwooferLinn AV5140 fronts
Linn AV5120 Center
Linn AV5140 Rears
M&K MX-70 Sub for Music
Odyssey Mono-Blocs
SVS Ultra-13 Gloss Black:D -
There's one for sale at Audiogon:
http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?homesubw&1265852807&/AV123-MFW-15-Subwoofer
Buy it and review. Let me know;) -
Which side? I don't get a cut for any sub sales from anyone as well as no interest to promote or shoot down anyone's sub.
But truth needs to be told regardless of SVS or AV123 or ED or Polk. May be someone else truth is someone's untruth / lies. Who knows? As long as yours has no problem. It's not true for you. Regardless, people here are saying that such problems exist. So, one can take caution or bite the bullet with an eye closed. I don't see any problem in either one of that choice.
I have Dual PB13U as well as Dual ED A7s-450 and 4 PSW1000. I never hail for any of them. But I don't have any problem with any of mine so far either.
hereTry it, experience it, and cry for it.
and SVS have their own problems as well if you look for it and SVS owners often refuse to bring them up. what's the point?Onkyo 805, RtiA5s, Csi5, Rti6s -
Ron Temple wrote: »While I don't follow all the threads, I still see complaints crop up regularly...some are from long time issues and grudges, but I still see the occasional amp hum, veneer cracking or complaints about MLS broken commitments. AV123 was/is in a deep crack and is trying to climb out. Sure, they're applying solutions and the failure rate is no longer staggering, but the economy...enough...books have been written about this stuff.
Hey, it was a clever metaphor and you ruined it...don't change the subject ... and... I stand by my statement "in almost all cases".
well, if you look at my first response, that has always been the subject. never anywhere did i say MFW would outperform the Ultra or anything.
where i discussed the performance of the MFW, don't you see that I quoted the OP's post and just giving him inputs? And my inputs are fair. I acknowledged the facts but I refused the incorrect or one-sided information you/megasat were giving out.Onkyo 805, RtiA5s, Csi5, Rti6s -
Buy it and review. Let me know;)
you gotta be crystal clear that it has 1 of the new amps.Onkyo 805, RtiA5s, Csi5, Rti6s
