Mfw-15

JYAJoe

Was told that 2 of these will walk all over the PB13 -Ultra

http://www.av123.com//index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=265&category_id=9&manufacturer_id=0&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=37

Any input?
Joe

gelinas

who told you that? They are very different products from very different companies. I will not go into my personal opinion of av123 but I can say that SVS has great customer service. I doubt you will be able to dig up a single negative opinion aboiut them as a company.

2 subs is almost always a good thing as they can even out the frequency response in YOUR room and they can deliver more even bass to more seats in your theatre. I've never heard a mfw-15 so I cannot comment on it's sound quality. I can tell you that people have been having trouble with the amps in their mfw's but that problem seems to have been fixed by somewhat of an amp change. Warranty coverage for people seems to be spotty freom av123.

see post 4,008 in the below thread for one person's comparison of a single ultra to dual mfw's in his room. There is additional discussion on the topic below that post as well.


http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=889659&page=134

Ron Temple

A couple of MFWs hold a SPL advantage over the Ultra, have plenty of midbass, but aren't as articulate or extend as low. There have been some that purchased the MFWs in lieu of popping for an Ultra. There have been a few that went from MFWs to a single Ultra and preferred it. There have been no Ultra owners that decided they wanted to switch to MFWs.

As Gelinas hinted, buying from AV123 is a risky proposition.

JYAJoe

gelinas wrote: »

who told you that? They are very different products from very different companies. I will not go into my personal opinion of av123 but I can say that SVS has great customer service. I doubt you will be able to dig up a single negative opinion aboiut them as a company.

2 subs is almost always a good thing as they can even out the frequency response in YOUR room and they can deliver more even bass to more seats in your theatre. I've never heard a mfw-15 so I cannot comment on it's sound quality. I can tell you that people have been having trouble with the amps in their mfw's but that problem seems to have been fixed by somewhat of an amp change. Warranty coverage for people seems to be spotty freom av123.

see post 4,008 in the below thread for one person's comparison of a single ultra to dual mfw's in his room. There is additional discussion on the topic below that post as well.


http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=889659&page=134

I was told this by av123. (kyle)
thanks for your input Very helpful.

JYAJoe

Ron Temple wrote: »

A couple of MFWs hold a SPL advantage over the Ultra, have plenty of midbass, but aren't as articulate or extend as low. There have been some that purchased the MFWs in lieu of popping for an Ultra. There have been a few that went from MFWs to a single Ultra and preferred it. There have been no Ultra owners that decided they wanted to switch to MFWs.

As Gelinas hinted, buying from AV123 is a risky proposition.

How much lower do you need to extend. I would think with the MFW below the 20Hz is anything but fantastic with a 15 inch woofer. You can see ive never heard a high end quality sub. But for 499.00 HMMMMMM

I was unaware of the popping on the ultra. Thanks. Which I have read the MFW has the same proplem with popping with only the power cord pluged in. No audio.

Sherardp

The first thing you have to do is get them to work without amp failure before they can even measure up.

concealer404

JYAJoe wrote: »

How much lower do you need to extend. I would think with the MFW below the 20Hz is anything but fantastic with a 15 inch woofer. You can see ive never heard a high end quality sub. But for 499.00 HMMMMMM

I was unaware of the popping on the ultra. Thanks. Which I have read the MFW has the same proplem with popping with only the power cord pluged in. No audio.

He meant "popping" as in "paying for." The SVS doesn't have any popping issues as you describe that i'm aware of.

JYAJoe

Sherardp wrote: »

The first thing you have to do is get them to work without amp failure before they can even measure up.

Nice setup Sherardp. Poured concrete walls........Dayem

Read these issues have been fixed. Owner stated he has poured over $400,000 making things right with the faulty amps. China manufacture of amp is out and now they use a local supplier for their amps.

JYAJoe

concealer404 wrote: »

He meant "popping" as in "paying for." The SVS doesn't have any popping issues as you describe that i'm aware of.

Sorry misread....thanks

thsmith

Welcome to CP.

Go get yourself 4 of the MFWs and tell us how you like them.


Been there done that, Thank you but my PB13 is not going anywhere.

JYAJoe

thsmith wrote: »

Welcome to CP.

Go get yourself 4 of the MFWs and tell us how you like them.


Been there done that, Thank you but my PB13 is not going anywhere.

Definately not promoting these just wanting input. Please tell me your experience with them. Thanks

gtu2004

Ron Temple wrote: »

A couple of MFWs hold a SPL advantage over the Ultra, have plenty of midbass, but aren't as articulate or extend as low. There have been some that purchased the MFWs in lieu of popping for an Ultra. There have been a few that went from MFWs to a single Ultra and preferred it. There have been no Ultra owners that decided they wanted to switch to MFWs.

As Gelinas hinted, buying from AV123 is a risky proposition.

I'm pretty certain you are incorrect. I personally know someone. Please do not pass incorrect information as a fact.

JYAJoe

Looks pretty

gtu2004

JYAJoe wrote: »

Definately not promoting these just wanting input. Please tell me your experience with them. Thanks

1 MFW should be more than enough for most rooms. Since the Ultra costs about 3 times more than the MFW, I really don't think it can be any match in the area of price/performance. MFW pisses all over it in that department and to be fair I don't think any subwoofer can come close to MFW in term of value.

Now, what Kyle said, albeit he's a nice guy, is not true. 2 MFWs do not walk all over a single Ultra. An Ultra is going to extend lower. But the advantage of having 2 subs is definitely positional flexibility. You can stack them or put one behind the seating position.

But I also know there are a lot of av123 bashers out there and some actually never even heard the products. They just listen passively to others and pass on the wrong information. They think they know much but they actually don't. The issues with the amps for MFW have been fixed and I believe av123 is doing their best to replace the amps. They even offered some coupons for people who have had amp problems in the past. Now you can argue coupons is one way of making more money but it's at least a proof that they are doing something about it. As a bonus, the new amp actually delivers even better performance. It might be shaky to buy an MFW in the past, but it's pretty safe now.

Since you said you don't know much abt subs, I guess if you have the dough to spend, go with the best you can afford (Ultra) and never have to wonder "what if." But for me and A LOT of people, an MFW or 2 would be more than enough.

JYAJoe

gtu2004 wrote: »

Since you said you don't know much abt subs, I guess if you have the dough to spend, go with the best you can afford (Ultra) and never have to wonder "what if." But for me and A LOT of people, an MFW or 2 would be more than enough.

Well cannot see spending 2500.00 for for a dual sub setup. Just not that impressive. Still on the fence with the SVS though. Really starting to fall towards the AV123's. 2 of these with the given specs is exciting. I had wrote the MFW off weeks ago but keep finding more info popping up all around that this company is turning things around.

Now there is a more powerful amp as you stated and on top of that, the gut wrenching prices that must be hard for this company to absorb is astounding. Hell people are paying 700.00+ for a DIY sub from parts express with a panty hose covering the woofer. Looked cheap to me.

I had a chance to speak with the owner of AV123. Mark stated beginning of next year these subs will be going way up in price. The deep discounts are now there to persuade new sub buyers. Guess kinda like advertising (word of mouth)

Everyone makes mistakes but it takes a real standup guy to admitt and commit. This company has done so.

Joe

rdb2001

^^^^+1

I own an mfw - 15 and have demoed the plus, 12isd, and the 10isd from svs and the mfw walks all over all of them. To compare them to an ultra is kind of an unfair comparison because the ultra cost 3 times as much. I have an 18X16 room with 16ft vaulted ceilings and big opening to my kitchen and this sub pressurizes my room no problem. I too was worried about the amp issues but took a chance and as of right now feel like I made the best choice. All I can tell you is to demo them if u can and make your own choice.

Its looks pretty nice too. See mines

JYAJoe

Yea im in with the MFW

thsmith

JYAJoe wrote: »

Definately not promoting these just wanting input. Please tell me your experience with them. Thanks

Why are you at Club Polk asking about this ?

Not a logical starting pooint, suggest going to AVSforum.

thsmith

JYAJoe wrote: »

Well cannot see spending 2500.00 for for a dual sub setup. Just not that impressive. Still on the fence with the SVS though. Really starting to fall towards the AV123's. 2 of these with the given specs is exciting. I had wrote the MFW off weeks ago but keep finding more info popping up all around that this company is turning things around.

Now there is a more powerful amp as you stated and on top of that, the gut wrenching prices that must be hard for this company to absorb is astounding. Hell people are paying 700.00+ for a DIY sub from parts express with a panty hose covering the woofer. Looked cheap to me.

I had a chance to speak with the owner of AV123. Mark stated beginning of next year these subs will be going way up in price. The deep discounts are now there to persuade new sub buyers. Guess kinda like advertising (word of mouth)


Everyone makes mistakes but it takes a real standup guy to admitt and commit. This company has done so.

Joe

I get it now, you are paid to visit web sites and promote their product.

DOn't let the door hit you on the way out.

JYAJoe

thsmith wrote: »

I get it now, you are paid to visit web sites and promote their product.

DOn't let the door hit you on the way out.

Hey look if you have nothing useful to add to this tread

GET OUT

JYAJoe

Hear all kinda good thing about customer service from SVS. But doesnt answering the phone fall along those lines. Called 10x's in the last week and half just to leave a message with no call back. Finally started emailing and got a call. One reason for My MFW decision.

Popcorn is ready

danz1906

JYAJoe wrote: »

Was told that 2 of these will walk all over the PB13 -Ultra

http://www.av123.com//index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=265&category_id=9&manufacturer_id=0&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=37

Any input?
Joe

I dont think so, but it depends on what you are trying to do.
A single Ultra-13 is very impressive.

danz1906

JYAJoe wrote: »

Looks pretty

Welcome to the Club!

The sub does look good:)

JYAJoe

danz1906 wrote: »

I dont think so, but it depends on what you are trying to do.
A single Ultra-13 is very impressive.

I want bass to just clobber me in the chest. Dual NSD sub is not going to do that from what I understand. So im left with the Ultra or Plus but 2400.00 with shipping is high. It IS impressive.

Living nowhere close to a big city hurts for demoing purposes.

JYAJoe

danz1906 wrote: »

I dont think so, but it depends on what you are trying to do.
A single Ultra-13 is very impressive.

Wait a minute you have 2 differnet subs? What is wrong with the SVS for music.

I want something that can tackle them both.

What other subs have you used in the past, Thanks

speakergeek

Dual MFW-15s =~1.5 Ultras, without the articulation and extension of the Ultra. Walk all over an Ultra??, not necessarily. Also, the Ultra is much more refined. THe Ultra 13 driver is special.

JYAJoe

speakergeek wrote: »

Dual MFW-15s =~1.5 Ultras, without the articulation and extension of the Ultra. Walk all over an Ultra??, not necessarily. Also, the Ultra is much more refined. THe Ultra 13 driver is special.

Do you feel the ultra is good for music or is something else outperform it in that category.

Sorry for all the questions but if im going to pay 2400-3000 I want to know without asking the SVS guys what to expect.

speakergeek

JYAJoe wrote: »

Do you feel the ultra is good for music or is something else outperform it in that category.

Sorry for all the questions but if im going to pay 2400-3000 I want to know without asking the SVS guys what to expect.

Yes, the Ultra is superior for music IMO. It is a ported sub, but it exhibits what I would consider sealed characteristics honestly in the range of most music (30 Hz and up). It excells at both, but it's HT performance is great. There no noticeable overhang at all with the Ultra. It's very well damped.

rdb2001

speakergeek wrote: »

Yes, the Ultra is superior for music IMO. It is a ported sub, but it exhibits what I would consider sealed characteristics honestly in the range of most music (30 Hz and up). It excells at both, but it's HT performance is great. There no noticeable overhang at all with the Ultra. It's very well damped.

I think the op is comparing apples to oranges. For the best bang for the buck the mfw is the best. Its not far from the ultra as for as music as concerned from comparisons thats been done. The ultra digs a little deeper but it should best a sub thats 3 times lower in price. svs does not have a product until the ultra that runs with the mfw15 IMO. I am an svs fan so I am not just saying this just because. I was set on an svs til I heard the mfw15. For the money it cant be beat IMO. I think if you are going to compare the mfw to anything compare it to something in its pricepoint.

speakergeek

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9164136#post9164136

This is a good link. Kind of dated, but a good reference point for the two subs.

Ron Temple

gtu2004 wrote: »

I'm pretty certain you are incorrect. I personally know someone. Please do not pass incorrect information as a fact.

Oops, so someone took the fatal step. Did he get working MFWs?