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hearingimpared

MANSKITO wrote: »

Don't currently have the money but if said product has a free trial i would be happy to post a review, I'm not closed minded I could be wrong i just dought it.

Well there are only three folks on here that have tried it and they all said it improves the sound. Or are we going into that placebo affect BS again.

madmax

I will try one once I get a few other things in order.
madmax

MANSKITO

hearingimpared wrote: »

Well there are only three folks on here that have tried it and they all said it improves the sound. Or are we going into that placebo affect BS again.

I didn't know that others had used the product and had good results. And as the placebo effect its not BS its a documented phenomenon.

But that is not to say that I think thats what is happening here, if that product works, its not working for the reason they say it is. The science behind it is rather weak.

I happen to trust the opinions of those on this forum if they say it works then it works.

MANSKITO

concealer404 wrote: »

IF it works... i imagine it works on the same theory as some car manufacturers are using to block out other noise... combating noise with noise to cancel it out i guess....

Interesting piece, but to me, it seems just snakey-oily enough that i'm not sure i'd try it. I'm unsure, though.

I was mainly talking about this post, this is can not be done with electromagnetic radiation (of any kind) for the reasons i stated before. It can only be practically done with sound waves not elctromagnetic waves because they travel as fast as information can. (the speed of light)

Also I stand behind what i said earlier a better way to combat background radiation is to increase shielding AKA thicker walls or more practically a basement.

hearingimpared

MANSKITO wrote: »

I didn't know that others had used the product and had good results. And as the placebo effect its not BS its a documented phenomenon. .

For drug testing,

MANSKITO wrote: »

But that is not to say that I think thats what is happening here, if that product works, its not working for the reason they say it is. The science behind it is rather weak.

If that were the case then why wouldn't they use the strong science behind it?

MANSKITO

hearingimpared wrote: »

For drug testing,



If that were the case then why wouldn't they use the strong science behind it?

thats why I said I don't think the placebo effect is whats happening in this case.
Because you are correct most of documented evidence is in drug testing.


There is no real science strong or weak behind this product. I can't comprehend why it would work.

But thats not to say just because my mind with all its limits can't comprehend it dose not mean its not real.

If i had to guess in the instances where it did work maybe the electronics responded positively to lots of low frequency radiation for some reason or another.

Regardless i promise there was still plenty of background radiation in that room. Its not that easy to get rid of. The reason i know this is, is because I m familiar with many scientific experiments where background radiation was a serious problem and they had to go to extreme lengths to reduce it.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/neutrino/

thats one for example, there in all the way down in a cave if i remember correctly.

jm1

MANSKITO

As I had mentioned in one post, "I am baffled that this actually works". I don't think anyone knows exactly why this works based on what I have read. I get the impression this works more on the person in the room than the system based on the descriptions of the original non-audio related products of this nature.

I didn't know that others had used the product and had good results.

Not sure what to say about this comment from you. :rolleyes:

Another thing I am really starting to dislike is the Internet experts who display their "profound" knowledge without real world experimentation.

MANSKITO

jm1 wrote: »

MANSKITO

As I had mentioned in one post, "I am baffled that this actually works". I don't think anyone knows exactly why this works based on what I have read. I get the impression this works more on the person in the room than the system based on the descriptions of the original non-audio related products of this nature.



Not sure what to say about this comment from you. :rolleyes:

Another thing I am really starting to dislike is the Internet experts who display their "profound" knowledge without real world experimentation.

Ok then it seems I should just read every thing post before posting. Didn't mean to cause any strife.

BlueFox

I can vouch from a scientific perspective that it is NOT the beer being responsible for the perceived sonic improvement. Countless hours of beer drinking without this gizmo did not produce any improvement.

hearingimpared

jm1 wrote: »

MANSKITO

As I had mentioned in one post, "I am baffled that this actually works". I don't think anyone knows exactly why this works based on what I have read. I get the impression this works more on the person in the room than the system based on the descriptions of the original non-audio related products of this nature.



Not sure what to say about this comment from you. :rolleyes:

Another thing I am really starting to dislike is the Internet experts who display their "profound" knowledge without real world experimentation.

Wow John you are just "starting" to dislike it. It's been getting on my nerves for years. You must be a very patient man.

tonyb

BlueFox wrote: »

I can vouch from a scientific perspective that it is NOT the beer being responsible for the perceived sonic improvement. Countless hours of beer drinking without this gizmo did not produce any improvement.

This brings up another question,

Does drinking crappy beer make your system sound worse or drinking good beer make it sound better ? Hmmm....gonna have to check it out.

hearingimpared

tonyb wrote: »

This brings up another question,

Does drinking crappy beer make your system sound worse or drinking good beer make it sound better ? Hmmm....gonna have to check it out.

Drinking any alcohol numbs the ear drums, and tuning bones!:D

jm1

hearingimpared wrote: »

Wow John you are just "starting" to dislike it. It's been getting on my nerves for years. You must be a very patient man.

I would be banned if I expressed my thoughts concerning these "experts". This is why my post count is very low as I can ignore most.

hearingimpared

jm1 wrote: »

I would be banned if I expressed my thoughts concerning these "experts". This is why my post count is very low as I can ignore most.

I actually enjoy the entertainment.

maandjojo

Actually drinking beer makes anything sound better, even your wife.
My unit is placed on a side wall away from any of my electronics and is just above 5 ft. high and plugged into its own outlet.
Again as in one of my other posts on this subject, you can compare this unit somewhat to an SDA speaker in more than one way. First it adds sound to clear up the end result. Also it depends on the source as to the difference it makes. The third comparison is that is the difference worth the added expense. I say yes to all three. Most people here are looking for the same results out of their sound system, that being perfection. Perfection for their ears. Whatever gets us closer to that decides the worth of their tweeks.

Joe

madmax

hearingimpared wrote: »

Drinking any alcohol numbs the ear drums, and tuning bones!:D

I can't drink and listen at the same time. It was always the same for me, at first things sound awesome but I quickly realize I'm getting caught up in volume and impact, not quality or definition. Things actually sound better without drink.

skrol

maandjojo wrote: »

Actually drinking beer makes anything sound better, even your wife.
My unit is placed on a side wall away from any of my electronics and is just above 5 ft. high and plugged into its own outlet. ...
Joe

Are you talking about the "Wife Unit"?

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Sorry, I couldn't resist.

wingnut4772

I call shenanigans.

hearingimpared

wingnut4772 wrote: »

I call shenanigans.

Uh Oh!

ShinAce

The science is simple. Sound waves are periodic. You see some noise, you expect it to loop and you cancel out the predicted loop. It's not perfect, but works so well there's no reason to hate. It has nothing to do with sound versus light. Even with noise cancelling headphones, you use a mic to pickup the noise and cancel it. You can't guarantee the noise reaches the mic before your eyes, so you can't pre-emptively interfere with it. Since you're so good in physics, go find out what the definition of frequency is for a single pulse. Fourier did a lot of work on this.

If Manskito was right, which he isn't, then negative feedback in an amplifier wouldn't work.

p.s. Information can NEVER travel faster than the speed of light in a vacuum.

maandjojo

I knew unit was a poor choice of words.

Joe

BlueFox

BlueFox wrote: »

Let me try that. I thought I read it should be away from the speakers so that is why it is behind me. Between the speakers is perfect since it would sit on top of the equipment rack, be 5' high, and plugged into the power conditioner.

I moved the "Placebo Sound Enhancer" last night between my speakers, over all the electronics. However, I found the sound to be enhanced so much it was overbearing at -40db. I moved it back where it is approximately 6' behind me, and about 4' up. Also, I sit about 8' away from both speakers. This location is much better than on top the rack. Tonight I will move it to the fireplace mantle, which will place it beside me, and see/hear what happens. A benefit of putting it in front of me last night was I put a piece of black electrical tape over the LED. Much better!!

ShinAce

Goofed

hearingimpared

ShinAce wrote: »

Goofed

Why did you change your post. I liked it better when I read the email response!:D

bikezappa

BlueFox wrote: »

Let me also add my review of this item.

I purchased this since Audio Advisor gives you 30 days to decide if you want to keep it or return it. My first reaction was to return it, but now I have decided to keep it. I have found that it actually does work, at least with better recorded CDs.

When it arrived I plugged it in, and turned it on. Other than a blue LED on front, there is not any other obvious sign the device is working. It makes no noise or vibration. After leaving it on for a while, and not noticing anything different, I turned it off. I then turned the stereo on, and let it play for a while. I then turned the device back on, and did not notice anything different. My reaction was, “Okay, you are going back.” However, I left it on and played around with it by turning it off and on with no obvious difference in sound. At this point I just left it on. Since this was a Friday night I was able to give it a good workout, since I can listen to music to early Saturday morning. Anyway, later that night I was sitting and listening, and I just burst out laughing. All of a sudden, I realized the stereo was sounding really good. It already was sounding great thanks to the tweaks I have done, but now it was sounding even better.

At this point, I realized this thing actually did work. It just takes getting used to. Since then I have found that it works better with CDs that are better recorded. When it works the sound becomes fuller. The soundstage is more open, and sound becomes clearer. At this point the benefit is obvious if you turn the power off and on. On poorer CDs it is not as apparent, if at all.

Granted, this is not an overly obvious improvement as is upgrading interconnects or speaker cables. When I did that the improvement was like being hit in the face it was so obvious. This is more subtle, but it is there. Whether it is worth $600 is another story. If I had not gotten a few thousand back from amended 2007 and 2008 tax returns I might not have kept it, but since I have some mad money I will keep it.

Did you try Double Blind Testing?

hearingimpared

Here we go!~

concealer404

Oh for crying out loud....

wudai_e

A very interesting product.

I laughed when I first read about this then after I read more I'm starting to wonder...

Just curious to those of you who had actually tried the product. Has any of you tried to keep the unit on for extended period of time WITHOUT listening to your system and noticed any positive or negative effects towards your mood? or anything related to your physical being?

Cause from what I read this device has nothing to do with block or canceling sound in your room or from your system, it's rather a bio device that actually use the EM wave it generates to alter or shield the person EM signature that's within it's range.

The science argument really don't hold grounds here. The whole point of science is to discover and explain things that the current science cannot explain, hence our SCIENCE is constantly evolving. A lot of the cutting edage stuff are voodoo to a lot of people, myself included. What CERN is trying to prove? a unified theory, a unified universe, meaning you I, the dog the tree are all interconnected somehow, in a unified field. In other words, everything are just energy radiating at different frequencies and interacting with each other in different levels(dimensions) holy ****, did I just typed dimensions??

Case and point, if the theory behind such a product cannot be explained by current science. It does not mean the said theory is false or totally voodoo.

I guess I got carried away a little bit :P anyways, those of you who tried the product, does it really make you "happier" in a un-explainable manner even when you are not listening to your rigs. Or you've noticed some change in you but you can't pin point where it come from or why it happend?

BlueFox

wudai_e wrote: »

Just curious to those of you who had actually tried the product. Has any of you tried to keep the unit on for extended period of time WITHOUT listening to your system and noticed any positive or negative effects towards your mood? or anything related to your physical being?

Yes, I have left it on with no music, and I have not noticied anything. Neither have the cats. They are impervious to it. Yet, a few years ago, right before an earthquake, my first cat came running in from outside, jumped up on a chair, and started meowing like crazy at me. I said "What's your problem?" Then boom, it hit.

madmax

BlueFox wrote: »

I moved the "Placebo Sound Enhancer" last night between my speakers, over all the electronics. However, I found the sound to be enhanced so much it was overbearing at -40db.

Can you explain what the enhancement sounds like?