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madmax

"Rule # 2 The electronics in the system play a surprisingly small part in creating the illusion. It takes a wretched power amp to totally screw things up. It is not necessary to spend vast sums of money on exotic thermionic based units. Also, the crossover, assuming it's not a total dog's breakfast, has little to do with recreating the illusion of an image. (see Rule #4)."

This guy is an idiott.


Rule # 3 A conventional pair of front firing loudspeakers cannot recreate a natural stereo illusion. It always sounds like a sophisticated public address system. I suppose the continued success of front firing units is due to the proliferation of PA systems wherever you go. A "live" jazz event isn't really live when everything is squeezed through a PA system. Hell, even the opera is now mic'd since most of the citizens expect things to be "loud".

And he is tone deaf as well.
madmax

WilliamM2

Follow up on your hypothesis on the Schumann Resonance generator so you can explain why the many that have actually used this in the physical world are actually imagining things. I’m sure many would like to know.

Expectational bias. The same way some imagine differences with things like this:

http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41133&highlight=treating+light

turbopantera

The problem is not generating the 7.83 em wave, but syncronizing it to the surrounding. With out any sensing, the generated wave could cause worse effects than what it creates. Of course, an EM wave is usually generated by a radio transmitter. Subsmarines use ELF waves for communication. The coiled circuit traces on the pcb in that device might be used as a folded antenna for elf signals. Even though it would be too short for even a 1/4 wave folded antanna at that frequency. The circuit appears to be an 8 pin chip which I would expect to be an op amp oscillator. The board really does not have an more compnents for circuits other than that.

The thread on the bright light was interesting and humorous. You either have a digital signal or not.

jm1

WilliamM2 wrote: »

Expectational bias. The same way some imagine differences with things like this:

http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41133&highlight=treating+light

Yet others are absolutely unhindered of any bias whatsoever even when they have not explored the topic in question.

It should have the same effect...none.

Think what you want; it doesn't matter to me where you go with this. In the future, I will just let these threads fade away.

BlueFox

I ordered one of these this morning since I have 30 days to decide if it works or not. Music Direct is pretty fast since I just received an email from UPS saying it shipped with a delivery date of 12/23. Once I get it, and try it, I will provide the absolute, unbiased, irreproachable, undeniable, indisputable, and irrevocable conclusion as to whether it works or not.

jm1

turbopantera wrote: »

The problem is not generating the 7.83 em wave, but syncronizing it to the surrounding. With out any sensing, the generated wave could cause worse effects than what it creates. Of course, an EM wave is usually generated by a radio transmitter. Subsmarines use ELF waves for communication. The coiled circuit traces on the pcb in that device might be used as a folded antenna for elf signals. Even though it would be too short for even a 1/4 wave folded antanna at that frequency. The circuit appears to be an 8 pin chip which I would expect to be an op amp oscillator. The board really does not have an more compnents for circuits other than that.

The thread on the bright light was interesting and humorous. You either have a digital signal or not.

Thanks. I thought there was mention of it automatically synchronizing to your room? I'll look into this as I am baffled that this actually works. If there wasn't almost universal positive responses, I would have not tried this. If I recall correctly, the negative was it physically bothered some person.


From listing:

The SW1 has the exactly same effect as the Acoustic Revive RR-77 with the same module, but different case.

The effects of SW1 is improved more, It adjusts the waveform perfectly.

Input Voltage: 100V ~ 240V
Output Frequency:7.83Hz

jm1

BlueFox wrote: »

I ordered one of these this morning since I have 30 days to decide if it works or not. Music Direct is pretty fast since I just received an email from UPS saying it shipped with a delivery date of 12/23. Once I get it, and try it, I will provide the absolute, unbiased, irreproachable, undeniable, indisputable, and irrevocable conclusion as to whether it works or not.

I already see the bias radiating from you.:eek:

hearingimpared

WilliamM2 wrote: »

Expectational bias. The same way some imagine differences with things like this:

http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41133&highlight=treating+light

So what you are saying is that the expectational bias about Monoprice cables making your rig sound like there are pillows over your speakers isn't true?

Imagine that!:D

BlueFox

jm1 wrote: »

I already see the bias radiating from you.:eek:

Wow. You must work for a Psyche Hot Line.

Hawkeye

I don't rule out anything. It is my belief that the purpose of an audio system is to trick us into believing or at least suspending belief for a short time that we are hearing or visualizing something pleasant. Science, placebo and expectations all play a role in our temporary escape. What we are willing to try and are willing to pay for this trickery is an individual choice.

Gordon

jmwest1970

sk1939 wrote: »

I don't know about low freqency, but is anyone else here bothered by the high pitched whine that CRT TV's make? I don't know, sometimes it bothers me alot, sometimes not at all, but I can always hear it....

Off topic:

Same here. Our 10 yr old JVC in the bedroom drives me crazy, but my wife doesn't hear it. I've been trying to replace that thing for 3 years, but she won't budge on waiting until it dies. I may help it out!:cool:

On topic:

I don't know if a device such as this would make a difference with my gear. It's not bad stuff, just not great. I'd be interested in trying the one on the 'gon to see if it works as advertised.

skrol

Didn't they try using something like this on the pirates off Somalia? It didn't work on them, so maybe they figure that they can sell it to us.

hearingimpared

good luck to you, reported.

maandjojo

sk1939, a little amused at your post; skeptical of adding noise to eliminate noise and your posting this in the home of the SDA speaker.
Well I too just ordered this device and should have it on Wednesday and will post the results.

Joe

Cogito

Why am I getting visions of Tice Clocks in my head?

organ

Sounds interesting. I can believe that it does something. Don't know whether it will be the way it reacts with your room, electronics, yourself or a combination.

I remember watching a program about WW2 on tv. The Germans were worked on a low frequency device that is well below human hearing. Can't remember the exact freq. but they found a particular freqq and amplitude that can really mess with a person. The result was irritability, nausea, sense of fear and a few others.

jm1

Ordered another SW1 unit to have a backup as I don't want to be without.

maandjojo

Sorry about not getting back to you folks earlier.
Received the R77 and I do hear a difference. You all must realize that I have just moved a reset my system and have been moving things around and have just settled on the best sounding positioning of my room. In doing so I will say this, since doing this and adding the R77 I can say that I am receiving the best results from my system than ever before. The imaging, clarity, soundstage have all increased markedly.
As for the R77, I have done some A B testing and have noticed more clarity using it, it seems to give you more of what you are hearing. Its not easy to describe but its there.
Sometimes you really must take the sum of its parts rather than breaking every little thing down. The combination of what already existed and adding this device has really made me smile quite a few times since receiving it.
Is it worth $ 550.00, to me yeah, to my wife, I'd bet she'd say different.
Thats my story, and I'm stickin' to it.

Joe

ps: Jm thanx for your pm

hearingimpared

maandjojo wrote: »

Sorry about not getting back to you folks earlier.
Received the R77 and I do hear a difference. You all must realize that I have just moved a reset my system and have been moving things around and have just settled on the best sounding positioning of my room. In doing so I will say this, since doing this and adding the R77 I can say that I am receiving the best results from my system than ever before. The imaging, clarity, soundstage have all increased markedly.
As for the R77, I have done some A B testing and have noticed more clarity using it, it seems to give you more of what you are hearing. Its not easy to describe but its there.
Sometimes you really must take the sum of its parts rather than breaking every little thing down. The combination of what already existed and adding this device has really made me smile quite a few times since receiving it.
Is it worth $ 550.00, to me yeah, to my wife, I'd bet she'd say different.
Thats my story, and I'm stickin' to it.

Joe

ps: Jm thanx for your pm

Excellent point. It's a well known fact that tweaks to a system is cumulative.

BlueFox

Let me also add my review of this item.

I purchased this since Audio Advisor gives you 30 days to decide if you want to keep it or return it. My first reaction was to return it, but now I have decided to keep it. I have found that it actually does work, at least with better recorded CDs.

When it arrived I plugged it in, and turned it on. Other than a blue LED on front, there is not any other obvious sign the device is working. It makes no noise or vibration. After leaving it on for a while, and not noticing anything different, I turned it off. I then turned the stereo on, and let it play for a while. I then turned the device back on, and did not notice anything different. My reaction was, “Okay, you are going back.” However, I left it on and played around with it by turning it off and on with no obvious difference in sound. At this point I just left it on. Since this was a Friday night I was able to give it a good workout, since I can listen to music to early Saturday morning. Anyway, later that night I was sitting and listening, and I just burst out laughing. All of a sudden, I realized the stereo was sounding really good. It already was sounding great thanks to the tweaks I have done, but now it was sounding even better.

At this point, I realized this thing actually did work. It just takes getting used to. Since then I have found that it works better with CDs that are better recorded. When it works the sound becomes fuller. The soundstage is more open, and sound becomes clearer. At this point the benefit is obvious if you turn the power off and on. On poorer CDs it is not as apparent, if at all.

Granted, this is not an overly obvious improvement as is upgrading interconnects or speaker cables. When I did that the improvement was like being hit in the face it was so obvious. This is more subtle, but it is there. Whether it is worth $600 is another story. If I had not gotten a few thousand back from amended 2007 and 2008 tax returns I might not have kept it, but since I have some mad money I will keep it.

madmax

Does positioning of the unit make a difference?

BlueFox

madmax wrote: »

Does positioning of the unit make a difference?

I didn't notice any, but it has been behind me, 3-4 feet up, 90% of the time. Before I had it on the fireplace mantle and I could see the blue LED, and that annoyed me, so I put it behind me. Then I could see the blue LED reflected on the gear in front of me, so I aimed it sideways. Since then it has been in the same posistion.

jm1

Thanks for the updates!

I haven't played with positioning as I can locate the unit sideways on top of the RPTV between the speakers at approx 6' high. If I have read others reports correctly, between the speakers worked best.

I now have a second unit as a spare as I find the results highly beneficial in my environment. Once day I might experiment with two in the room.

Front view

jm1

BlueFox wrote: »

I didn't notice any, but it has been behind me, 3-4 feet up, 90% of the time. Before I had it on the fireplace mantle and I could see the blue LED, and that annoyed me, so I put it behind me. Then I could see the blue LED reflected on the gear in front of me, so I aimed it sideways. Since then it has been in the same posistion.

Is there any location you can try which is higher than 3-4'? It would be interesting to know if you experience different results when placed higher in the room.

MANSKITO

A fool and his money shall soon part.

If you want to block out noise get thicker walls/go underground this product has almost 0 merit.

For active noise calculation to work it has to know what kind of noise is coming in before it hits your electronics how ever electromagnetic radiation of any wavelength travels at the speed of light so there is not a snow balls chance in hell (unless the people who made this product are smarter then Einstein) that it could produce waves equal too/opposite too the ones coming in.

The reason it works for sound waves is because they travel at comparatively slow speeds compared to how fast electronics operate. Light speed is as fast as information can travel period (unless certain special circumstances occur) in any form in our known universe.

Not to be overly critical. It would not matter if your room was filled with electromagnetic radiation of Extremely Low Frequency this would not prevent more electromagnetic radiation of any form that has the ability to pass through your walls.

Don't believe me see if a TV still snows in your room when set to a channel where it receives no signal, this snow while not completely due to back ground radiation it should still be noticably reduced if your product was actually working.

hearingimpared

MANSKITO wrote: »

A fool and his money shall soon part.

If you want to block out noise get thicker walls/go underground this product has almost 0 merit.

Have you tried it? If not your remark has "0 merit."

BlueFox

jm1 wrote: »

Thanks for the updates!

I haven't played with positioning as I can locate the unit sideways on top of the RPTV between the speakers at approx 6' high. If I have read others reports correctly, between the speakers worked best.

Let me try that. I thought I read it should be away from the speakers so that is why it is behind me. Between the speakers is perfect since it would sit on top of the equipment rack, be 5' high, and plugged into the power conditioner.

MANSKITO

MANSKITO wrote: »

A fool and his money shall soon part.

If you want to block out noise get thicker walls/go underground this product has almost 0 merit.

For active noise calculation to work it has to know what kind of noise is coming in before it hits your electronics how ever electromagnetic radiation of any wavelength travels at the speed of light so there is not a snow balls chance in hell (unless the people who made this product are smarter then Einstein) that it could produce waves equal too/opposite too the ones coming in.

The reason it works for sound waves is because they travel at comparatively slow speeds compared to how fast electronics operate. Light speed is as fast as information can travel period (unless certain special circumstances occur) in any form in our known universe.

Not to be overly critical. It would not matter if your room was filled with electromagnetic radiation of Extremely Low Frequency this would not prevent more electromagnetic radiation of any form that has the ability to pass through your walls.

Don't believe me see if a TV still snows in your room when set to a channel where it receives no signal, this snow while not completely due to back ground radiation it should still be noticably reduced if your product was actually working.

Make sure you are using broadcast TV (use an antenna) and not cable in your test.

MANSKITO

hearingimpared wrote: »

Have you tried it? If not your remark has "0 merit."

Don't currently have the money but if said product has a free trial i would be happy to post a review, I'm not closed minded I could be wrong i just dought it.

MANSKITO

But seriously the snow test is for real it is how in part we discovered the very age of our universe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_microwave_background_radiation

or at the very least if the products works you could see if its working for the reasons it says it dose which are the ones I call into question.