Overstock cheap amps , would I be guilty of murdering money?

buymesome
buymesome Posts: 281
edited October 2009 in 2 Channel Audio
I just bought an onkyo 607 and I'm impressed so I was thinking of buying a zone 2 amp for music in the bedroom as I plan on making love to hundreds of college girls this winter

I stumbled across lots of cheap two channel amps that may fit the bill . I could put a tube buffer between the onkyo and one of these cheap 2 channel amps so what do you guys think

http://www.overstock.com/Electronics/Harman-Crown-Commercial-Audio-160MA-Mixer-Amplifier/4216365/product.html
http://www.overstock.com/Electronics/Behringer-A500-Professional-Reference-class-Power-Amplifier/3207172/product.html
http://www.overstock.com/Electronics/Pyle-PylePro-PZR6XA-Power-Amplifier/3946585/product.html


This or the next isnt realy amps but they are cheap 2 channel gigs

http://www.overstock.com/Electronics/Teac-AG790A-200-Watt-Audio-Receiver-Refurbished/2565353/product.html
http://www.overstock.com/Electronics/Technical-Pro-RX32-1000-watt-Peak-Digital-Home-Receiver/3899214/product.html
http://www.overstock.com/Electronics/Technical-Pro-RXB113-1500-watt-Digital-Home-Receiver/3899232/product.html
http://www.overstock.com/Electronics/Technical-Pro-RX-B674-1500-watt-Peak-Home-Receiver/3915564/product.html


Would I be guilty of murdering money for buying any of this
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited October 2009
    buymesome wrote: »
    I just bought an onkyo 607 and I'm impressed so I was thinking of buying a zone 2 amp for music in the bedroom as I plan on making love to hundreds of college girls this winter

    I stumbled across lots of cheap two channel amps that may fit the bill . I could put a tube buffer between the onkyo and one of these cheap 2 channel amps so what do you guys think

    http://www.overstock.com/Electronics/Harman-Crown-Commercial-Audio-160MA-Mixer-Amplifier/4216365/product.html
    http://www.overstock.com/Electronics/Behringer-A500-Professional-Reference-class-Power-Amplifier/3207172/product.html
    http://www.overstock.com/Electronics/Pyle-PylePro-PZR6XA-Power-Amplifier/3946585/product.html


    This or the next isnt realy amps but they are cheap 2 channel gigs

    http://www.overstock.com/Electronics/Teac-AG790A-200-Watt-Audio-Receiver-Refurbished/2565353/product.html
    http://www.overstock.com/Electronics/Technical-Pro-RX32-1000-watt-Peak-Digital-Home-Receiver/3899214/product.html
    http://www.overstock.com/Electronics/Technical-Pro-RXB113-1500-watt-Digital-Home-Receiver/3899232/product.html
    http://www.overstock.com/Electronics/Technical-Pro-RX-B674-1500-watt-Peak-Home-Receiver/3915564/product.html


    Would I be guilty of murdering money for buying any of this

    You can buy a used Adcom 545 for the same $$$ or less and it would be 1000 times better than any of those pieces of junk you linked to.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • buymesome
    buymesome Posts: 281
    edited October 2009
    how much have you saw the 545 go for usualy?

    Would it be even better than the Behringer A500 ? . One guy said on amazon that he powerd martin logans and the value cant be beaten
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  • buymesome
    buymesome Posts: 281
    edited October 2009
    the Behringer A500's can be had for $150 and they are bridgeable at 200 watts per channel after being measured by the pro's . $300 for 400 watts is good value
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited October 2009
    545's anywhere from $140-200.

    Yes, better than Behringer, by leaps and bounds. Even a 535 would do the trick nicely.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited October 2009
    buymesome wrote: »
    the Behringer A500's can be had for $150 and they are bridgeable at 200 watts per channel after being measured by the pro's . $300 for 400 watts is good value

    But they sound terrible and won;t last. What are you wanting lots of power that sounds poor or a nice sounding reliable amp that sounds great?

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • coolsax
    coolsax Posts: 1,824
    edited October 2009
    based on reviews from parts express.. if you were looking to use it for PA work its probably pretty good but I doubt there's much musicality to the Behringer for HT and 2 channel use
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  • buymesome
    buymesome Posts: 281
    edited October 2009
    heiney9 wrote: »
    But they sound terrible and won;t last. What are you wanting lots of power that sounds poor or a nice sounding reliable amp that sounds great?

    H9

    One that sounds great for under $150 if thats even possible
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited October 2009
    http://shop.ebay.com/?_from=R40&_trksid=p3907.m38.l1313&_nkw=adcom+545&_sacat=See-All-Categories
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • buymesome
    buymesome Posts: 281
    edited October 2009
    good man heiney9

    I will bookmark that link and when the times right I will pounce on one
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  • zingo
    zingo Posts: 11,258
    edited October 2009
    If you REALLY want to use a pro amp, get something decent like a Carver. It won't sound exactly like a HIFI amp, but it would be better than cheaper pro amp.
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  • Poee7R
    Poee7R Posts: 904
    edited October 2009
    Quality, not quantity. As most things in life.

    +1 on the Adcom 545's, I think they sound better than their big brother, the 555.


    Dave
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited October 2009
    Poee7R wrote: »
    Quality, not quantity. As most things in life.

    +1 on the Adcom 545's, I think they sound better than their big brother, the 555.


    Dave

    I think it does too.
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • anhchungdoan
    anhchungdoan Posts: 760
    edited October 2009
    Please google for more feedbacks on Technical Pro products. Be careful with the inflated WPC from their products. The Behringer is not very reliable but much better than the TP stuff.
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  • comfortablycurt
    comfortablycurt Posts: 6,745
    edited October 2009
    You may want to rethink this...

    I have an Onkyo 606, and the way the Zone 2 works in it is a little different than usual. When you're using an external amp in Zone 2, the Onkyo won't control the volume level of the second Zone. You have to either use an integrated amp, or a pre-amp/power amp combo.

    I'm not sure if the 607 is the same or not, but I'd imagine it is.



    I'll also second the Adcom 545 suggestion...skip those pieces of junk you linked to. My 545 has driven my RTi8's, Monitor 7A's and SDA 2A's without even breaking a sweat. Don't be scared of the "only" 100 watt rating...it'll get plenty loud.
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  • buymesome
    buymesome Posts: 281
    edited October 2009
    Realy ?? Then whats the point of having zone2 in powerd mode?

    Doesnt integrated mean you dont need a pre thus eliminating the need for the onkyo ?

    I was aware you could only use analog
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  • kawizx9r
    kawizx9r Posts: 5,150
    edited October 2009
    Since you're adding an amp anyway, why don't you just pick up an inexpensive/used pre?

    What speakers will you be running in this bedroom setup?

    Think you're best ditching the idea of using the Onkyo and the Zone 2 thing. Just grab an integrated or pick up an adcom amp and even an adcom pre. It's always fun building a little modest setup without having to break the bank.
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  • Monster Jam
    Monster Jam Posts: 919
    edited October 2009
    buymesome wrote: »
    ... as I plan on making love to hundreds of college girls this winter

    Hey, a guy's gotta keep warm somehow!
    Do you hear that buzzing noise? :confused:
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited October 2009
    I like my 545 too;) A watt is not a watt is not a watt. Think sparkomatic or Kraco.
    Please. Please contact me a ben62670 @ yahoo.com. Make sure to include who you are, and you are from Polk so I don't delete your email. Also I am now physically unable to work on any projects. If you need help let these guys know. There are many people who will help if you let them know where you are.
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  • comfortablycurt
    comfortablycurt Posts: 6,745
    edited October 2009
    buymesome wrote: »
    Realy ?? Then whats the point of having zone2 in powerd mode?

    Doesnt integrated mean you dont need a pre thus eliminating the need for the onkyo ?

    I was aware you could only use analog

    I kind of wondered the same thing when I tried to do it with my 606. I searched through the manual many times though, and not once does it mention a way to adjust the volume of Zone 2 when you're using an external amplifier.

    You can adjust Zone 2 volume when you have the Zone 2 speakers hooked up to the Zone 2 speaker outputs on the AVR...but then youre losing the advantage of using an external amp.

    Supposing that you did use the Zone 2 outputs with an integrated amp, you'd still have the advantage of using the same source(cd player etc...) that you're using with your main system.

    It's still a viable option, but you'd need to look into getting a pre/power amp combo, or an integrated amp.


    edit-Check page 86 of your 607's user manual. It explains the process for using an amp in Zone 2...it says "Zone 2 volume must be set on Zone 2 amp."

    Seems like a stupid way of designing it to me...
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  • messiah
    messiah Posts: 1,790
    edited October 2009
    Yep, those are all junk. Save your money, and browse your local CL.
    "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
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    "The day that I have to give up my constitutional rights AND let some dude rub my junk...well, let's just say that it's gonna be a real bad day for the dude trying to rub my junk!!"
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  • buymesome
    buymesome Posts: 281
    edited October 2009
    Thanks for the info guys

    My sights are set on this 545 especially since ben has one lol

    I'm curiously jumping the gun here now but what could I expect to pay for a modest adcom pre for rti a3's
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  • sadbulquo
    sadbulquo Posts: 1
    edited October 2009
    I accept: The Behringer is not very reliable but much better than the TP stuff.
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  • wutadumsn23
    wutadumsn23 Posts: 3,702
    edited October 2009
    ^^reported
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  • RandyBox
    RandyBox Posts: 125
    edited October 2009
    Cheap doesn't always suck...

    Folks here said a really cheap amp (Speakercraft) I recently purchased was junk for my HT 5.1, and it turns out to be totally awesome in every aspect.

    Regards,
    Randy
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  • concealer404
    concealer404 Posts: 7,440
    edited October 2009
    buymesome wrote: »
    Thanks for the info guys

    My sights are set on this 545 especially since ben has one lol

    I'm curiously jumping the gun here now but what could I expect to pay for a modest adcom pre for rti a3's

    $75-$125.

    I have a couple lying around that i would let go in that price range. PM me if you're interested whenever you're ready, no rush. :)
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  • coolsax
    coolsax Posts: 1,824
    edited October 2009
    concealer404 wrote: »
    $75-$125.

    I have a couple lying around that i would let go in that price range. PM me if you're interested whenever you're ready, no rush. :)

    Being new to the community, it gives me a kick about all these people who just have components lying around that they are not using.. I realize it can become the nature of the beast.. just a little amusing to me as well.
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  • concealer404
    concealer404 Posts: 7,440
    edited October 2009
    coolsax wrote: »
    Being new to the community, it gives me a kick about all these people who just have components lying around that they are not using.. I realize it can become the nature of the beast.. just a little amusing to me as well.

    I doubt i have a tenth of what most of the active members have around here, though. :p

    I just have a "bad habit" of trying any mid-fi gear i can get my hands on.

    Sooo... in Adcoms, i have: A GTP-600, GTP-400, SLC-505 and i think a GTP-500?

    Yep. Not using any of them at the moment. The SLC-505 is pretty interesting, though. :)

    I'm probably worse with speakers.
    I don't read the newsssspaperssss because dey aaaallllllllll...... have ugly print.

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  • buymesome
    buymesome Posts: 281
    edited October 2009
    They dont call him Concealer for nothing ya know . Im sure he's got way more than that stuffed away in boxes hes like santa clause when it comes to quality components

    Thats also a very good price too for the pre . you wouldn't be willing to swap for video games?

    Tjhese forums kill me seriously, just 3 weeks ago I joined an rc forum to buy a cheap battery chargerfor my car and somhow got hooked on to lil model helicopters , I have spent $400 buying myself and 2 cousins earrly christmas presents
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  • concealer404
    concealer404 Posts: 7,440
    edited October 2009
    buymesome wrote: »
    They dont call him Concealer for nothing ya know . Im sure he's got way more than that stuffed away in boxes hes like santa clause when it comes to quality components

    Thats also a very good price too for the pre . you wouldn't be willing to swap for video games?

    Tjhese forums kill me seriously, just 3 weeks ago I joined an rc forum to buy a cheap battery chargerfor my car and somhow got hooked on to lil model helicopters , I have spent $400 buying myself and 2 cousins earrly christmas presents


    Nah, i'm no santa claus. :p Don't have that kind of money, and this is honestly my "secondary" hobby. My cars take the majority of my money from me.

    But speaking of santa claus, i think i should take stock of everything and make a big sale thread to free up some cash for the holidays. :D

    Just let me know if/when you want to try one of those preamps. I may even have a 545 back here somewhere, now that i think about it. I'm not personally a fan of it, but there's a lot of variables that make the sound the sound, and it's only my opinion. And you know what they say about those... ;)
    I don't read the newsssspaperssss because dey aaaallllllllll...... have ugly print.

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    Office: Schiit Magni 2 Uber / Schiit Modi 2 Uber / Dynaco SCA-80Q / Paradigm Legend V.3

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  • anhchungdoan
    anhchungdoan Posts: 760
    edited October 2009
    RandyBox wrote: »
    Cheap doesn't always suck...

    Folks here said a really cheap amp (Speakercraft) I recently purchased was junk for my HT 5.1, and it turns out to be totally awesome in every aspect.

    Regards,
    Randy


    It would be unfair to make that assumption but we all know that there is no free lunch. A product is dirt- cheap for a reason. At the same token, there are some expensive hi-end products do perform extremely well and some do not .

    In the case of TECHPRO, WPC spec is outrageously inflated. Behringer has a pretty decent name for professional products but too many negative feedbacks concerning reliability issue.

    I do not have any experience with Speakercraft but AudioSource has some decent amps for background music that normally being used in department stores, offices or hotels...Critical listening, please at least get some mid-fi amps as Para, Rotel, Adcom , B &K.
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