Bose VCS-10 vs Polk CSi30

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  • FireWire
    FireWire Posts: 11
    edited March 2003
    Thanks guy for your useful tips. I guess more money saving to buy those.:p

    BTW, I tried to put one of my R15 as center channel and it's a no-no. A bit of image distorsion and then the sound was weird. I have an old Sony TV, prolly a newer one should do.

    Thanks again
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  • fireshoes
    fireshoes Posts: 3,167
    edited March 2003
    Originally posted by mantis
    Sound Quality????
    It's really nice when in a mid size to small room.Sound qualitry is really Impressive when you consider what the driver layout is.I like them,I find nothing wrong with there sound quality.

    I think the Lifestyle 35 sounds okay. I personally would rather have the Polk DS7200 for $500 less, but whatever, you get the rf remote, the integrated dvd, and all that. However I think a lot of the sound quality stuff was referring to the VCS10 center speaker. SQ is typically measured by the ability to remain neutral sounding. I don't have the specs for this particular speaker, but it seems to me that it would have Extreme rolloff on the tops and bottoms of the spectrum, and probably some other nice dips and peaks as well. So if someone would be willing to provide some frequency response measurements, maybe we can find out just what kind of sound quality it provides. :)
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  • RuSsMaN
    RuSsMaN Posts: 17,987
    edited March 2003
    Thats one of the problems with Bose, you cannot get any measurements or specs, they simply won't release that info. Does that really matter, not to their typical consumer that buys on 'brand name' alone.

    Cheers,
    Russ
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  • rs159
    rs159 Posts: 1,027
    edited March 2003
    They don't list power handling, instead they put an overload protection circuit in the particular center in question. :lol:
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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,200
    edited March 2003
    I agree with that statement that Bose doesn't post there spec's.I don't know why they don't.They should.

    Here's the bottom line with Bose,They are made for a certain kind of people.They fill a huge gap in the custom world.They are good sellers,they sell thereselves.NO salespeople have to "Push"them on anyone.Most people who buy Bose has owned in the past,friends or family memebers own them and now they want them.Wife friendly completely.
    Sound quality is like anything else in the world........it's personal.Everyones opnion of what sounds goo,whats a good deal and so on is persoanl as well.
    Bose has been around for a long time and will for a long time.They have there following just like Us in here with POLK.It's all good guys.
    Troy,
    my only point with Bose is and I won't argue that they are on the upper end in mini systems,home theater in a box types,but they give you alot for what you spend.Sound quality is a bigger part of the package for people like you and I,Bose customers ......Bose offers a level of sadisfaction they can live with.I'll tell you guys straight and most of you know how picky I am with my sound...........there not bad.There nice in alot of ways.I have heard them sound really good and sometimes in really large rooms they don't fill that good.Bose isn't made for large size rooms.
    So with that being said.......................................................:cool:
    Dan
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,741
    edited March 2003
    Mantis, I have heard the Bose cubes. The bass module picks up atleast 1/4 of what the speakers should. The bass module is very directional. They have no lows, without bass shakers I'm not sure it could even vibrate the floor, the highs......what highs? These speakers are more like a snap crackle pop at high volumes. For the $$ they blow. Features or no Features. Sony has alot of features but IMO they sound like $h1T!
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,200
    edited March 2003
    your opnion and you have the right 2 it.My opnion is different then yours.
    Dan
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited March 2003
    I think the thread is done. Good information has been obtained, and valued opinions gathered. Lets start a new thread if the topic has changed to BOSE = Donkey, I am all for it :)
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  • rs159
    rs159 Posts: 1,027
    edited March 2003
    MX, agreed - bose might sound *ok* at medium volume in tiny rooms with very non sound intensive movies with no music, but put the sub in the corner and try listening to music and more exciting movies and you realize you got downright buttraped at the register. More like a computer 5.1 system IMO, with tiny midrange shy sats and a very directional "subwoofer", that goes straight to hell below 50hz. For more than $1500? Pfft... The problem is that bose is strictly set on a mission to make money, and the best way to make money is to capitalize on people who don't know better and lie to them about performance. It's downright immoral if you ask me.
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  • rs159
    rs159 Posts: 1,027
    edited March 2003
    Oops, posted a little late - sorry if I sound a little behind.
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  • fireshoes
    fireshoes Posts: 3,167
    edited March 2003
    Originally posted by Vr3MxStyler2k3
    Mantis, I have heard the Bose cubes. The bass module picks up atleast 1/4 of what the speakers should. The bass module is very directional. They have no lows, without bass shakers I'm not sure it could even vibrate the floor, the highs......what highs? These speakers are more like a snap crackle pop at high volumes. For the $$ they blow. Features or no Features. Sony has alot of features but IMO they sound like $h1T!

    I think Mx brings up a good point here. Unplug the speakers from the bass module and throw in a dvd. There's a lot of dialogue getting played by the bass module and not being passed through to the speakers where it belongs. Kinda funny when you place it under the couch because Bose says you can put it anywhere.
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  • rs159
    rs159 Posts: 1,027
    edited March 2003
    What IS the Xover on the bass module? I'd guess around 250hz w/ a 6db slope but then I don't know.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,647
    edited March 2003
    Originally posted by pensacola
    Just came across some specs:

    —Frequency response: 90Hz-12kHz ±7dB
    —Sensitivity: 81dB
    —Nominal impedance: 8 ohms
    —Recommended power: 50 to infinity Wpc
    —Maximum output level: 89dB

    According to their White Paper, the amp used in their testing
    lab is a Sony 50 Wpc receiver. The lab's listening room is setup
    to replicate the two-car garage of the average 1,600 S.F.
    American home.
    For this reason, anything fed to them beyond 50 watts is
    shunted to a massive resistor, thereby protecting both
    the delicate fibers of its patented PaperCone® drivers, and
    the ear drums of the listener.

    Way to go BOSE for looking out for us!
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,741
    edited March 2003
    People have done FR sweeps on Bose systems, the Bass Module bottums out at 40 hz, little above and it picks up 120hz and down. The cubes stop at 18 hz or so, the full rangers cost 35 a pair.
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • burdette
    burdette Posts: 1,194
    edited March 2003
    Can we all say 'ineffective communication?'... I thought we could.

    More than half the argumentative exchanges in this thread are addressing *different* issues.

    In part, I think Mantis is right.. Bose absolutely fills a niche. In my opinion it is the niche of people who have money to spend, want an audio/video system (and one that does not dominate the room), are NOT going to go store to store listening to a shitload of speakers, want ease of setup and ease of use, and like bells and whistles. These are NOT people who check frequency response graphs or discuss audio/video as a hobby or get upgrade fever.

    Many Bose speakers/systems DO sound fine at moderate volumes (my father-in-law has an Acoustmas pro logic setup) and they completely satisfy their owners. Bose doesn't publish specs in part because they don't have to.. the consumers they concentrate on (and have successfully reached) don't give two **** about specs and most likely don't know what most of them mean. That isn't to say they're stupid... there are plenty of subjects/hobbies that every one of us here doesn't know or give two-**** about. I, for example, would never spend $1000 on a bicycle and another grand on fancy clothes and gear upgrades and all that.. but people do it. Show up on one of THEIR forums to discuss your Huffy 20-speed from Wallyworld and see what sort of opinions you get.

    But round these parts, we *are* more focused on sound quality. We DO notice if the explosions in SPR simply don't hit you in the chest... I mean, ****.. there are a lot of guys here who have gutted their perfectly-functioning Polks just to install upgraded drivers and crossovers... you think the average Acoustimas owner wonders if their bass could be tighter if they put their bass module on spikes? ****, get real.

    I don't happen to think there is ANY question that in terms of bottom-line sound quality, reaching into the bass and accurately producing highs, you can absolutely do MUCH better than Bose at ANY price point.

    Honestly.. is it worth the time spent, over and over, discussing a company whose focus, goals and customer base is simply different than the focus/interests/concerns of the average guy here? You think the guys on the Ferrari forum fight over the merits of or spend time slamming Kia??
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  • wallstreet
    wallstreet Posts: 1,405
    edited March 2003
    Originally posted by burdette
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    .I, for example, would never spend $1000 on a bicycle and another grand on fancy clothes and gear upgrades and all that.. but people do it. Show up on one of THEIR forums to discuss your Huffy 20-speed from Wallyworld and see what sort of opinions you get.


    Good thing, cuz 1G just gets you an above average bike. :lol:
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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,200
    edited March 2003
    burdette,
    Good points.That should end this thead at least on the subject of Bose.
    Dan
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  • rs159
    rs159 Posts: 1,027
    edited March 2003
    I think everyone knew the **** would hit the fan eventually given the nature of this thread.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,647
    edited March 2003
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    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

    President of Club Polk

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  • NINjesse
    NINjesse Posts: 12
    edited March 2003
    in response to the last couple of replys, all i can say is anyone who thinks carver sucks is a sony lover or has had an unfortinat bad experience with them, as to the bose center, the systems bose is famous for have had alternate means of bass. you must remember that about 70% of suround comes from your center so it needs to be able to cover all ranges. as for the the polk csi30 and the 20 i think polk droped the ball on these centers. unfortunatly compared to the current models i think infiniti has polk beat in this price range.
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  • rs159
    rs159 Posts: 1,027
    edited March 2003
    Originally posted by burdette
    ...I, for example, would never spend $1000 on a bicycle and another grand on fancy clothes and gear upgrades and all that.. but people do it. Show up on one of THEIR forums to discuss your Huffy 20-speed from Wallyworld and see what sort of opinions you get...You think the guys on the Ferrari forum fight over the merits of or spend time slamming Kia??

    Huffy and Kia don't have half hour infomercials claiming that their vehicles will give you the finest ride you've ever had. They know that their products aren't the best out there and they don't claim that they are. People 'round these parts don't hate bose because they are an entry level product, they hate them because they are an entry level product that has been overpriced and advertised as the finest audio in the world. Sorry to beat a dead decomposing horse, but I just had to say it.
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