The rise and fall of western ....

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  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,538
    edited October 2009
    I say we nuke'm and take all our money back.
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  • bobman1235
    bobman1235 Posts: 10,822
    edited October 2009
    In-n-Out are freakin' fantastic.

    However, I think if they spread too far they might lose some of what makes them awesome. They're not a franchise - they're all owned by the company, so it would be tough to kind of keep your "rules" in place.

    Definitely one of the things I look forward to when I go out west to visit people though.
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  • everpress
    everpress Posts: 862
    edited October 2009
    Rodeo0530 wrote: »
    I will be in Vegas for the Super Bowl and bachelor party, so I will have to hit up the In-and-Out when I'm there as well...I'm sure I'll need something to cure a hangover on at least one of the 4 days I'm there.

    1.) Vegas
    2.) Superbowl
    3.) Bachelor Party
    4.) In-N-Out Burger

    Jeebus. That sounds like a rough weekend.

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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,447
    edited October 2009
    96th Street Steakburgers in Indianapolis is about as close to In-and-Out as I have had in the midwest... They are GOOOOD too.
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  • Rodeo0530
    Rodeo0530 Posts: 797
    edited October 2009
    bobman1235 wrote: »
    In-n-Out are freakin' fantastic.

    However, I think if they spread too far they might lose some of what makes them awesome. They're not a franchise - they're all owned by the company, so it would be tough to kind of keep your "rules" in place.

    Definitely one of the things I look forward to when I go out west to visit people though.

    I did not know that they were all company owned...interesting fact. You are probably correct in saying that would lose some of what makes them awesome if they over-extended themselves. Getting hungry now!


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  • Rodeo0530
    Rodeo0530 Posts: 797
    edited October 2009
    everpress wrote: »
    Pics or it didn't happen.

    It will be happening this February. Flight and hotel are booked already. 3 nights at the Flamingo which is in a great place to get everywhere easily, plus the flight from Dayton was only $330 total.


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  • TECHNOKID
    TECHNOKID Posts: 4,298
    edited October 2009
    Danny Tse wrote: »
    This doesn't necessarily have to turn into a political thread....
    Opportunities are there for US companies in China to sell their wares....i.e. GM's Buick is a big seller in China. However, I think the management of many US companies are too shortsighted and will eventually sell out their US resources (human resources and otherwise) to less inexpensive off-shore operations as soon as the opportunity arises to make a bigger profit. Loyalty to your employees? How much does that worth?
    Exactly, if the discussion goes the right way, I see it more as an economic thread than a political thread. Loyalty to the employees has been long gone as this is not exactly feasable when dealing with a global economy. Automation is in fact one way if not the only way for America to deal with the fierce competition of global market. There is no way for any American countries to compete with wages for employees in countries like China our only way out is efficiency of dropping costs through the best technology possible.

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  • everpress
    everpress Posts: 862
    edited October 2009
    TECHNOKID wrote: »
    I'm down with In-N-Out too!!!

    Awesome!

    What was that about 96th Street? I might have a few reasons to pop up to Indy. Apparently there are a couple polkies and some good grub?

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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,447
    edited October 2009
    everpress wrote: »
    Awesome!

    What was that about 96th Street? I might have a few reasons to pop up to Indy. Apparently there are a couple polkies and some good grub?

    I was just there this weekend. Sometimes I make an excuse to have to go to Indy just to stop in there and grab a burger.
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  • Rodeo0530
    Rodeo0530 Posts: 797
    edited October 2009
    Indy is a fun town. I really like the Rathskellar. Never had 96th street steakburgers though.


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  • everpress
    everpress Posts: 862
    edited October 2009
    Well, then how do we plan to get together, have some drinks a burger and crash Concealer's place... he won't mind...

    Nooshin- you in the Kokamo(sp?) area? My mom lives up in Rochester, IN.

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    ? Polk CS10 (Center)
    ? Polk PSW-350
    ? Grado SR-60i Headphones
    ? Fii0 E5 headphone amp
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  • Pauly
    Pauly Posts: 4,519
    edited October 2009
    Im still buying gear so im good........


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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,447
    edited October 2009
    everpress wrote: »
    Well, then how do we plan to get together, have some drinks a burger and crash Concealer's place... he won't mind...

    Nooshin- you in the Kokamo(sp?) area? My mom lives up in Rochester, IN.
    West Lafayette...:)
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  • Big Dawg
    Big Dawg Posts: 2,005
    edited October 2009
    since we're on the topic - what is everyone's opinion of the really cool looking and affordable tube gear coming out of China for the last few years? Bad for the trade deficit, clearly, but is it good for the ears?
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,197
    edited October 2009
    Buy carefully and do your research............lots of it is junk as in you get what you pay for, but there are some gems amongst them.

    Dared
    Ming Da
    Shanling
    Bada and some others seem to get good reviews.
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • obieone
    obieone Posts: 5,077
    edited October 2009
    steveinaz wrote: »
    I say we nuke'm and take all our money back.

    You ain't got the balls!:eek::D
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,145
    edited October 2009
    I loved the Chinese Radii 8 watt tube amp I have in the closet, so did many form members. Sounded great but it burnt up when it was powered up with no music was playing. Take that how you will. ;)
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  • megasat16
    megasat16 Posts: 3,521
    edited October 2009
    steveinaz wrote: »
    I say we nuke'm and take all our money back.

    I bet they don't have the money! We borrowed the money and we spent it already. So, they don't have the money and we don't have the money.

    We have debts on paper and they get daily Interests Rates on paper based on what's on the paper. At the end, all is on Paper (may be computers) and water is all it takes to wash up everything. What a pity we are in this state and scary to think about it though!
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  • rubin
    rubin Posts: 565
    edited October 2009
    heiney9 wrote: »
    Buy carefully and do your research............lots of it is junk as in you get what you pay for, but there are some gems amongst them.

    Dared
    Ming Da
    Shanling
    Bada and some others seem to get good reviews.

    How is the Jolida stuff
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,197
    edited October 2009
    Jolida is excellent............but the price reflects that and they have a great US distribution network. I was more or less talking about budget oriented Chinese gear that has either no US distribution or very limited US distribution. Any gear is good if you have a support network to take care of issues should they arise.
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • rubin
    rubin Posts: 565
    edited October 2009
    heiney9 wrote: »
    Jolida is excellent............but the price reflects that and they have a great US distribution network. I was more or less talking about budget oriented Chinese gear that has either no US distribution or very limited US distribution. Any gear is good if you have a support network to take care of issues should they arise.

    So ru saying Jolida is a little more expensive in comparison to what you have listed?
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,197
    edited October 2009
    Generally speaking yes.....apples to apples.
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • Systems
    Systems Posts: 14,873
    edited October 2009
    sTiLlLeArNiNg wrote: »
    China is VERY quickly coming to the forefront of the global economy! I say in ~10yrs they will be the "leader's" :o

    Ronny Reagan would've kept them in check.;):D
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  • TECHNOKID
    TECHNOKID Posts: 4,298
    edited October 2009
    everpress wrote: »
    Awesome!

    What was that about 96th Street? I might have a few reasons to pop up to Indy. Apparently there are a couple polkies and some good grub?
    ?????????
    heiney9 wrote: »
    Buy carefully and do your research............lots of it is junk as in you get what you pay for, but there are some gems amongst them.

    Dared
    Ming Da
    Shanling
    Bada and some others seem to get good reviews.
    Good advice, I had some issues with chinese made crap (good thing there were Canadian representation for the product) and yes, you get what you pay for!
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  • fatchowmein
    fatchowmein Posts: 2,637
    edited October 2009
    KrazyMofo24 wrote: »
    In-And-Out that would be great over here in DFW.

    I'll be right behind you in line when they do. Also, add a Del Taco, not that we're short on Mexican fast food around here. I just prefer it to Taco Bell.
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 33,907
    edited October 2009
    So... the discourse above begs the question... how do youse guys feel about Five Guys burgers?
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,145
    edited October 2009
    Great fries and a lot of them. Greasy burgers and a heart attack waiting to happen.

    There is a mystical place in the suburbs of MD via the MH that has the ultimate burger. If you have had it? you know what I'm talking about. If you haven't? Your loss.
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 33,907
    edited October 2009
    Alonzo's in B-more (across the street from Soundscape on W. Cold Spring Ln) once had great burgers... but that was in another time's forgotten space :-(
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  • everpress
    everpress Posts: 862
    edited October 2009
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    So... the discourse above begs the question... how do youse guys feel about Five Guys burgers?

    There aren't any around here. Cincinnati could use a good, solid burger or hotdog joint. We have Cincinnati-chili on every corner (which is weird the first time you have it, but strangely addicting) but if you want a good burger, you have to go to some stuffy upper-middle-class environment and pay out the nose for it... Which I don't do.

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  • concealer404
    concealer404 Posts: 7,440
    edited October 2009
    everpress wrote: »
    C-C-C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER!!!!

    I want to know if anyone else really wants In-And-Out Burgers to start moving more the direction of the MidWest...

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