Flipping a good deal from a Polkie for a profit

nguyendot

I think it's poor form. I do this all the time on craigslist, but that's not the same type of community we have here.

dkg999

It's all about honor, and you either have it or you don't. Actions flow forth based on that. Those actions are either deemed justifiable or are rationalized by one's sense of honor. Only at the end of the journey do we really know if our actions equated to right or wrong.

heiney9

nooshinjohn wrote: »

never called for backstabbing as you put it. I was only wanting to have an honest discussion about this and not knowing what the item was and who was involved prevents such a discussion. Solid is ok in my book and always has been, and knowing this upfront would have led to me making a different comment. I still think it is poor form, but his reputation and standing in this community afford him more than a benefit of the doubt here. I am willing to bet that most if not all would have had a different take on this if that information was known up front. Solid... I give you props for stepping up man. I hope that all is ok and looking up. Please accept my appologies for speaking without understanding the facts, and best of luck with the sale:)

BTW.... Is there a CP discount?:p

What facts? Yes, Soild has good rep here, but his explanation and standing and rep don't excuse it in my book. Now he's offering a Polkie discount. Anyways, I've had my say on the issue and it will soon be forgotten. I just expected more from a regular contributor who might have had an interest in following the goodwill set forth by others.

H9

TECHNOKID

SolidSqual wrote: »

Yeah, let's call that person out. (because somehow ownership is less than full her at CP . . . man I must have missed that somewhere in the forum rules you have bookmarked)

Here's the link: http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?accsrack&1258998729&/Dodd-Audio-Levitator-Free-Ship

What I do with my purchases is my business. I challenge any one of you to challenge my contribution to this forum and the members who know me best here.

Furthermore, this purchase was not made with the intention of selling it right off. Perhaps there's something going on in my life that requires a quick sale to cover expenses. And, that something is not anyone's business. This is the most unnecessary item in my system, and I am debating selling it as insurance so I don't have to hit my savings.

To those of you who would wish ill on my system, thanks for casting the first stone.

I coomend you for facing your judges and jury with honesty and courage.

dkg999 wrote: »

It's all about honor, and you either have it or you don't. Actions flow forth based on that. Those actions are either deemed justifiable or are rationalized by one's sense of honor. Only at the end of the journey do we really know if our actions equated to right or wrong.

Look at his response, his response is honorable

Cheers!
TK

madmax

If I sell you something on the cheap I expect you to enjoy it for as long as you want then sell for as much as possible to buy something else you enjoy or need. I don't think its cool to buy something here just to flip it for a profit. Not everyone feels this way though and I've had confrontation with one member who definitely did not agree. Thats the way it goes...
madmax

heiney9

TECHNOKID wrote: »

I coomend you for facing your judges and jury with honesty and courage.



Look at his response, his response is honorable

Cheers!
TK

****--his response is honest and to the point. But I wouldn't call it honorable. Honorable would not even having the conversation in the first place.

TECHNOKID

madmax wrote: »

If I sell you something on the cheap I expect you to enjoy it for as long as you want then sell for as much as possible to buy something else you enjoy or need. I don't think its cool to buy something here just to flip it for a profit. Not everyone feels this way though and I've had confrontation with one member who definitely did not agree. Thats the way it goes...
madmax

I fully understand your view and if I was in the shoes of the OP I could have been ticked off at first but fact is that nowhere in the CP FM rule (which rules) there is any statement that a buyer must resale to CPM and can not make a profit. A FM is what it is, you sell at your selected pricing and once the deal has happened you shouldn't concerned about anything else unless someone (seller or buyer) didn't respect the deal.

Cheers!
TK

heiney9

TECHNOKID wrote: »

I fully understand your view and if I was in the shoes of the OP I could have been ticked off at first but fact is that nowhere in the CP FM rule (which rules) there is any statement that a buyer must resale to CPM and can not make a profit. A FM is what it is, you sell at your selected pricing and once the deal has happened you shouldn't concerned about anything else unless someone (seller or buyer) didn't respect the deal.

Cheers!
TK

You haven't been around here very long have you? Remind me not to buy or sell anything to you.

Pauly

TECHNOKID wrote: »

It is a fun hobby that however implies $$$

No ****. Nothing is free. My view was seeing dollar signs on the item he purchased here (not CL, flea bay etc....) then trying to Flip for a mad profit elsewhere. Ive been around long enough to understand and know this... U havent....


Pauly

Polkitup2

Funny how so many don't get it....

nooshinjohn

heiney9 wrote: »

What facts? Yes, Soild has good rep here, but his explanation and standing and rep don't excuse it in my book. Now he's offering a Polkie discount. Anyways, I've had my say on the issue and it will soon be forgotten. I just expected more from a regular contributor who might have had an interest in following the goodwill set forth by others.

H9

Did you think of sending him a PM and asking about it before throwing him to the wolves? As I said in my response, he has earned the respect of all here and is as class an act as I have witnessed here on the forum. For this reason alone, I would ask that at least the "not guilty til proven otherwise" would most certainly be applied.

I have asked the mods to remove this thread as I believe he is entitled to that.

heiney9

nooshinjohn wrote: »

Did you think of sending him a PM and asking about it before throwing him to the wolves? As I said in my response, he has earned the respect of all here and is as class an act as I have witnessed here on the forum. For this reason alone, I would ask that at least the "not guilty til proven otherwise" would most certainly be applied.

I have asked the mods to remove this thread as I believe he is entitled to that.

It wasn't my deal and I didn't out him. And I've asked the mods to leave the thread. No one is being attacked or slandered or called names. It's a discussion about how our FM works.

I don;t get you at all.

H9

Pauly

nooshinjohn wrote: »

Did you think of sending him a PM and asking about it before throwing him to the wolves? As I said in my response, he has earned the respect of all here and is as class an act as I have witnessed here on the forum. For this reason alone, I would ask that at least the "not guilty til proven otherwise" would most certainly be applied.

I have asked the mods to remove this thread as I believe he is entitled to that.

Right and hes been around enough and knows that its frowned upon. No its not a "Rule" as stated many times, but trust me, he knows.


Pauly

TECHNOKID

heiney9 wrote: »

****--his response is honest and to the point. But I wouldn't call it honorable. Honorable would not even having the conversation in the first place.

I respect your opinion (I am convinced/suspect you probably are one of the best person to provide CPM good deals) and understand that such might thick you off. However, as I mentioned a FM is a FM even here at CP. I have great respect for fellow CPM for looking for each other but my question is where does it stop? As a fellow CPM, shouldn't one be happy that a fellow CPM managed to sell his gear at his set price and at the same time be happy for the fellow CPM if he ever does manage to make a few $$ out of his deal? Did the original CPM seller get screwed? Obviously not, he got what he asked for the gear and got paid. Was there any harm done? The only harm that might get done is this thread in my humble view. If this conversation never started, no one would be hurt in any way no matter how much the gear eventually sells for. Yes I find honorable of the concerned to face judges and jury while I also find honorable that he faces the issues he is going through (no matter what they are) and take care of himself.

Cheers!
TK

SolidSqual

Leave the thread. It's another good example of the good community here at CP.

I'm not selling the Dodd anymore. It was a collectors piece for me to remind me of my old Dodd preamp. Flipping gear is not my M.O., nor was it my intention when I bought the Dodd. Many of the assumptions and comments here were uncalled for, but I respect their foundation nonetheless.

Mike

Pauly

SolidSqual wrote: »

Leave the thread. It's another good example of the good community here at CP.

Mike

You are a good contributing member and i know we have had smooth transactions in the past. (i dont remember specifics). Im not hating, but if it was me or any other Polkie that was in this situation this thread would be no different, maybe worse depending on WHO it was. We all have had poor judgement, **** happens. Lets live learn jam and move on.

Pauly

wz2p7j

I'm dying laughing reading this thread. It's a free market economy, you guys, get over it. If all the parties involved were happy with what they paid/got, it's no big deal. No harm, no foul. Maybe the original seller needed some $$ fast and the "bad guy" buyer did that seller a huge favor by jumping on the deal.

By the way, I'm in the market for a Denon AVR-4310CI or similar. I've assessed FMV to be hmm, maybe $1200-1400. Can I get Polk discount from someone of say $900 just to help me out? I promise not to resell it (for a while) and will post a review, I promise. :p :rolleyes: :p

Chris

heiney9

Yeah wz2p7j, you don;t get it either. Most new members don't have a clue and that's fine except you won't be participating in getting good deals, since you don;t get it. It's a shame all the community, goodwill, pay it forward, giving/getting good deals is all but going to dry up. Actually it already has. The last few pieces I've sold......I've done it behind the scenes so as to continue to foster the goodwill, etc. that used to be represented by the FM.

Pauly, nice post I'll add a +1 to your post towards Mike

wz2p7j

Heiney - I'm not a new member and I'm really just funning you guys. :cool::cool:

Seriously, without knowing the motives of each buyer/seller, this whole thread is a moot discussion. I think all of us have sold stuff on the cheap at some point in our lives because we "needed the money." Was this the original seller's motive? I don't know. But you don't know either. So without all of the facts, all we have is opinions and a lively debate.

Best regards, Chris

BIZILL

it would always be nicer to resell a good deal back in the fm. but i guess **** happens sometimes.

heiney9

wz2p7j, The original seller was my brother blakeh and his motive was that he was screwed over by another very long standing member who used to be one of the regulars here and practically help start the FM and the new CP format. Only when he filed a paypal claim did he get a response. He kindly asked that his money be refunded and the levitator not be shipped because he no longer (after 3 months waiting) wanted it. The seller shipped it anyways because after 3 months he no longer had the money to refund. Blake no longer needed the levitator as he bought something else in the interim (3 months waiting for a response).

So rather than open the unit and keep it when he clearly told the seller he no longer wanted/needed it he sold it for exactly the same cost he purchased it for on the FM to Solidsqual, which is the standard goodwill thing to do. Offer a good deal to another polkie. He could have easily taken it to another venue and made even more money. But that's not how things work in the Polk FM. It's called goodwill, honor, following an unwritten code, good karma, etc.

Then 10-14 days later it's discovered on Audiogon at more than twice what it was sold for. Piss poor form, IMO. So I have every single fact in the entire transaction, so don;t try to lecture me and tell me I don;t have all the facts.

H9

heiney9

Zero wrote: »

I see this all as quite straight forward. If you want first refusal rights on any item sold, clearly state so. If you are giving up a great deal and would like to keep the item "in the CP family", clearly state so. If the seller fails to mention these requests/conditions in listing or at any time during the transaction, than they shouldn't **** if the buyer turns around and flips that item for a profit. Yes, we can go on about common courtesy - but at the end of the day, it is also about practicing common sense.

Sorry Sean but that's a little bit of BS.

TECHNOKID

nooshinjohn wrote: »

Did you think of sending him a PM and asking about it before throwing him to the wolves? As I said in my response, he has earned the respect of all here and is as class an act as I have witnessed here on the forum. For this reason alone, I would ask that at least the "not guilty til proven otherwise" would most certainly be applied.

I have asked the mods to remove this thread as I believe he is entitled to that.

+10000

heiney9 wrote: »

You haven't been around here very long have you? Remind me not to buy or sell anything to you.

heiney9, you are right, I haven't been here that long thus the reason for me to get acquainted with such thread and the overall picture to understand better. My intervening is also along the same line. In fact, my posts doesn't reflect how long I have beeen around. An important reason for me not too get involved with CP earlier on was a thread similar to this, people getting at each others throath, calling the seller on the deal that never took form, admin getting involved and cursing the CP members for their attitude, this was the first thread I read and I came to the conclusion this forum wouldn't do me any good. My goal was NOT to use a forum for ranting but ratter learning and sharing.

The same applies when I first started to post: the paranoya that new members rush their post count to be able to accomplish a quick sale. Well, look at my background (history) here at CP, I never bought or sell anything on this forum but ratter tried in my humble way to contribute simply because it was and is my main goal!

As far as you or I buying or selling from each other, if this was at all possible there wouldn't be any problem because I consider my self an honest and trustable man while your own history on this forum leads me to believe the same about you. That being said, at this point I would never dare post anything for sale at CP because I know for a fact that it wouldn't be a good deal for any CP members since my personal costs here in Canada will not allow me to give you a good deal without being at lost. The same applies for buying from any CP members the reasons being shipping and duty costs.

If that were ever possible and as a scenario if I ever bought from you and once time has occured for me to upgrade and resell. If I decided to resell in Canada at a greater price since I realised it is more adventageous for me, would you have cursed me? This doesn't make sense, while we cherish this hobby we still have the responsibity to take care of our selves and we should be able to do so without being judged and check our back all the time at each and every move we do. I can turn this to you: Remind me never to deal with you if you feel I am accountable to you for my rightfull possession afterward. I fully understand looking for each others if some tries to abuse. This is the big reason why I changed my mind about becoming a member. It sure is nice to realize people are looking for each other but personnaly linching/throwing to the wolves isn't acceptable. You may or may not like my opinions but simply realize I am honest about it. If I didn't care and didn't respect the people here, I wouldn't even bother to post.

I'm not selling the Dodd anymore.

I think you are wrong, if you feel within your self that you didn't wrong anyone, you shouldn't give wrats **** as to what people think. You can respect them but if they are wrong, you do not need to justify or sacrifice your self. As far as I am concerned, CP rules NOT the members.

ADMIN; do POLK a favor and delete any traces of this discussion. This discussion does not represent POLK in a favourable way.
Cheers!
TK

ben62670

No tech kid STFU. The more you post the more I dislike you.
John you are being a duche again.

Before I moved up to GA there were a pair of monitor 7's being sold by a polkie at a good price. I mentioned that I wish I had them, and a few Polkies wanted to pitch in on them like a house warming gift. I gracefully did not accept the offer because I knew that times were tough, and they would have had to have been the first thing I would have had to let go.

Mike you EFed up Mike. You disrespected the form of the forum. We need to take a walk down by the river Mike.

I know that Mike is a good guy. I sold him a bunch of cables, and he sold them back to the forum for less than I could make them.
I think Mike has seen the error in what he did. No it is not good form to turn and sell like that. He should have relisted it here. I still consider Mike a good friend, but I will bust his stones. If Blake was looking for more money he could have sold his gear on Agon, or craigs list instead of hooking up Polkies. If you guys still don't get what the FM is here for please go hang out at AA.
Thanks
Ben

wz2p7j

Heiney - if you took it as a "lecture" I certainly apologize.

So the facts, as I understand them, are your brother originally bought the item from some idiot who wouldn't ship the item or refund your brother money. Then after a long ordeal the seller finally shipped it to your brother, who no longer needed the item because he had purchased the same or similar equipment from another seller. Your brother was then able to successfully and rapidly recover his original investment in the unwanted equipment by selling it on CP and was able to put the whole ordeal behind him.

OK, I think we've captured the seller's motivation.

SolidSqual, any comments from the buyer?

nooshinjohn

ben62670 wrote: »

No tech kid STFU. The more you post the more I dislike you.
John you are being a duche again.

Ben

I love ya man, but wish you would refrain from the name calling, especially when you cannot spell it correctly. The correct spelling is ****.:p

heiney9

Wz2p7j, SolidSqual has made his peace. I just wanted you to understand the entire exchange so as not to think I was making assumptions. We're all good here. No need for Solid to respond as he already has.

H9

ben62670

wz2p7j wrote: »

Heiney - if you took it as a "lecture" I certainly apologize.

So the facts, as I understand them, are your brother originally bought the item from some idiot who wouldn't ship the item or refund your brother money. Then after a long ordeal the seller finally shipped it to your brother, who no longer needed the item because he had purchased the same or similar equipment from another seller. Your brother was then able to successfully and rapidly recover his original investment in the unwanted equipment by selling it on CP and was able to put the whole ordeal behind him.

OK, I think we've captured the seller's motivation.

SolidSqual, any comments from the buyer?

Another tard. He was seeling a bunch of gear, and he sold it at what it cost him most likely because it left a bad taste in his mouth, and Polkies tend to sell stuff for what they paid for it. He wasn't looking to make a profit off of Polkies. You don't seem to get too much do you?

ben62670

nooshinjohn wrote: »

I love ya man, but wish you would refrain from the name calling, especially when you cannot spell it correctly. The correct spelling is ****.:p

Thanks ****.

snow

I have figured out over the years that not everyone shares my values and standards, some people no doubt have better values and higher standards others less. I have also realized that there is very little that is truly black and white, most things are shades of gray.

If I sell something here odds are it will be below market value and if it is it will most likely have some stipulations on it such as having been a active member for a set period of time or X number of posts required simply becaue if I wanted to sell to the public at large I would list it on ebay or Audiogon at full price and there are lots of threads where I see people with their first or second post wanting to buy an object and I am certain that at least some of those people are here only to buy low and sell high somewhere else and that way it is avoided.

Now on the other hand sometimes long time members have problems that occur in their lives that they may not want to share that neccesitate a sale of something they just bought and odds are it it will be something that they feel they can make a quick buck on.

Sometimes people feel that since they know I got a bargain on something that I owe them a great deal also because of this, not nessecarily so, if I sold everything I bought at bargain prices I would never be able to even break even on the ones I paid way more for.

There has also been times that I have bought something here that was highly touted as being a great product but after i tried it out it was to my ears awful and I would have felt bad re selling it here to someone I know so I re sold it elsewhere.

Chances are if I sold something here at a great price and a week later I see it being sold somewhere else for far more by the person that bought it I would keep my mouth shut about it but I wouldndt sell to that person again because unless I knew that there was underlying reasons I would feel like I had been used and chalk it up to lesson learned.

But I sell here of my own freewill no one is forcing me to offer a great deal and I cant force anyone else to re sell at the same or better price.




REGARDS SNOW