Gladiator and Braveheart in Blu Ray

Ricardo

Just pre-ordered at Amazon. They don't make movies like these anymore....

lanion

Troy (directors cut) was a respectable effort.

They are making movies like District 9 and Children of Men these days... good times for science fiction.

bobman1235

Haha, anymore? Gladiator is less than a decade old....

Ricardo

bobman1235 wrote: »

Haha, anymore? Gladiator is less than a decade old....

Well, haha, for me it doesn't matter if it was 2 years old; IMO, there should be a few...heck at least one movie/year with classic potential. I don't see that in the Transformers, Watchmens, etc.

It's been a long time since I see a movie really worth buying. Lots of entertaining movies, but nothing that I would enjoy watching several times.

ESavinon

LOTR trilogy will be coming out soon on blue ray. I suggest you wait for the extended editions.

AsSiMiLaTeD

Gladiator was overall an awesome movie, and the soundtrack had alot to do with that. You take the soundtrack away and it's still a great flick, but with the soundtrack it's pure awesomeness!

bobman1235

Ricardo wrote: »

Well, haha, for me it doesn't matter if it was 2 years old; IMO, there should be a few...heck at least one movie/year with classic potential. I don't see that in the Transformers, Watchmens, etc.

Yeah I at least see what you're saying; if you're not a fan of the comic book genre the last several years have been rough for you, as all the big budget movies have been comic book-based. Spiderman, Watchmen, Iron Man, etc. Some of them have been really good (Iron Man and the Dark Knight in particular) but still all seem to fit in that "comic book" realm.

But if you stray from that particular big-budget action formula there have been some FANTASTIC films in the past 10 years; they would certainly classify as "rewatchable" by many, myself included.

Ricardo

Looks like Gladiator will be 5.1, vs 6.1 in the Std DVD. Bummer.

Mike LoManaco

Funny. I just watched Gladiator in its two-disc out-of-print Signature Selection DVD edition two evenings ago; named my folks' Black Lab "Maximus" after Crowe's character, and he was over visiting, so I popped it in...he seems to enjoy the roar of the crowd chanting "Maximus! Maximus!" :eek:

At any rate, the DTS ES 6.1 equipped Signature Selection edition of this film on DVD is still one of my go-to demos for audio AND video -- the 2.35:1 image looks dagger-sharp for standard DVD, and the DTS ES audio track still shakes my room to pieces to this day. For these reasons, I don't think I am going to upgrade on this one.

BTW, Ricardo, the only standard DVD version of this title to carry the 6.1 DTS ES track is the Signature Selection...the other subsequent releases like the four-disc special edition and even the dumbed-down single disc cheap releases after that only carried the Dolby Digital 5.1 mix (on the Signature Selection, there is a Dolby EX track, but I'm uncertain if that mix is on the other versions or if it's just a standard 5.1 track).

McLoki

Is it just me or are Braveheart, Gladiator and the Patriot the same basic movie.

1...Keep to himself and his family type guy wants to keep to himself and his family.
2...He is asked to get involved in something bigger than himself and chooses not to.
3...Bad guys come and kill his family.
4...He gets pissed and kills bad guys (with help of group he did not want to join at beginning).
5...Story ends as he basically leads group he did not want to join at beginning and our hero ends up dying.

Come to think of it - this story line seems to have started with spider man......

Michael

BTW - I happen to like that story so I do like all three movies (four + if you include spider man) but they really are all about the same.

kuntasensei

Mike LoManaco wrote: »

BTW, Ricardo, the only standard DVD version of this title to carry the 6.1 DTS ES track is the Signature Selection...the other subsequent releases like the four-disc special edition and even the dumbed-down single disc cheap releases after that only carried the Dolby Digital 5.1 mix (on the Signature Selection, there is a Dolby EX track, but I'm uncertain if that mix is on the other versions or if it's just a standard 5.1 track).

Regardless of whether it's flagged as such in the Dolby Digital bitstream, the rear channel data is there in the 5.1 mix by the very nature of 99% of theatrical mixes being done for DD-EX. If you apply Dolby Pro-Logic IIx or DD-EX to a 5.1 lossless track, you should get pretty much the same rear channel audio that you'd get in a 6.1 "discrete" mix.

(Note: I say "discrete" in quotes because on DVD, there's actually no such thing as a discrete 6.1 track, even the so-called DTS-ES Discrete tracks. The discrete rear channel audio in the DTS metadata is subtracted from the side surrounds during decoding to maintain backwards compatibility with 5.1 systems, meaning the side surrounds are no longer technically "discrete" in DTS-ES Discrete.)

acsubie

great movies for sure!! but i am a bit ticked off that they are being priced as new releases. I believe Amazon's price is upward of $25

Sherardp

McLoki wrote: »

Is it just me or are Braveheart, Gladiator and the Patriot the same basic movie.

1...Keep to himself and his family type guy wants to keep to himself and his family.
2...He is asked to get involved in something bigger than himself and chooses not to.
3...Bad guys come and kill his family.
4...He gets pissed and kills bad guys (with help of group he did not want to join at beginning).
5...Story ends as he basically leads group he did not want to join at beginning and our hero ends up dying.

Come to think of it - this story line seems to have started with spider man......

Michael

BTW - I happen to like that story so I do like all three movies (four + if you include spider man) but they really are all about the same.

Good catch. I did think Patriot and Braveheart were vey similar. I'll be picking up both on launch since I'll be in the USA. WHoooooo!!!

fatchowmein

McLoki wrote: »

Is it just me or are Braveheart, Gladiator and the Patriot the same basic movie.

1...Keep to himself and his family type guy wants to keep to himself and his family.
2...He is asked to get involved in something bigger than himself and chooses not to.
3...Bad guys come and kill his family.
4...He gets pissed and kills bad guys (with help of group he did not want to join at beginning).
5...Story ends as he basically leads group he did not want to join at beginning and our hero ends up dying.

Come to think of it - this story line seems to have started with spider man......

Michael

BTW - I happen to like that story so I do like all three movies (four + if you include spider man) but they really are all about the same.

The Reluctant Hero.

hockeyboy

I pre ordered Gladiator on BD today as well. UNLEASH HELL!

Mike LoManaco

McLoki wrote: »

Is it just me or are Braveheart, Gladiator and the Patriot the same basic movie.

1...Keep to himself and his family type guy wants to keep to himself and his family.
2...He is asked to get involved in something bigger than himself and chooses not to.
3...Bad guys come and kill his family.
4...He gets pissed and kills bad guys (with help of group he did not want to join at beginning).
5...Story ends as he basically leads group he did not want to join at beginning and our hero ends up dying.

Come to think of it - this story line seems to have started with spider man......

Michael

BTW - I happen to like that story so I do like all three movies (four + if you include spider man) but they really are all about the same.

These are generally referred to as "male revenge fantasies" and they're often lumped into one category.

Mike LoManaco

kuntasensei wrote: »

Regardless of whether it's flagged as such in the Dolby Digital bitstream, the rear channel data is there in the 5.1 mix by the very nature of 99% of theatrical mixes being done for DD-EX. If you apply Dolby Pro-Logic IIx or DD-EX to a 5.1 lossless track, you should get pretty much the same rear channel audio that you'd get in a 6.1 "discrete" mix.

(Note: I say "discrete" in quotes because on DVD, there's actually no such thing as a discrete 6.1 track, even the so-called DTS-ES Discrete tracks. The discrete rear channel audio in the DTS metadata is subtracted from the side surrounds during decoding to maintain backwards compatibility with 5.1 systems, meaning the side surrounds are no longer technically "discrete" in DTS-ES Discrete.)

Right -- but I merely was pointing out to him that his reference of "6.1" audio on Gladiator really, specifically referred to the Signature Selection's DTS ES track:

Looks like Gladiator will be 5.1, vs 6.1 in the Std DVD. Bummer

for clarification; most enthusiasts in the hobby know Gladiator's 6.1 mix as the "DTS ES" track; I wasn't arguing the issues of discrete and matrix, nor what happens to the DVD's 5.1 EX cues upon playback...that's a whole different can to open up. Just wanted to clarify that the Signature Selection edition is the only one (in the U.S. anyway) which carries the DTS ES 6.1 mix.

Gaara

I'm waiting on Gladiator. Lots of people up in arms over on AVS among other sites about the abundant use of DNR and EE. Of course its all based of screen shots, but it wont hurt to wait a week for the reviews to hit.

Ricardo

Mike LoManaco wrote: »

Right -- but I merely was pointing out to him that his reference of "6.1" audio on Gladiator really, specifically referred to the Signature Selection's DTS ES track

Well, no. If everything you post must be so perfect, MY reference of "6.1" audio Gladiator really, specifically referred to the DVD in my media rack, 2nd shelf from the top, 1st column from the left, located in position numer 8 (counting from left to right).

kawizx9r

Awesome, can't wait!

EntewCabmeent wrote: »

Ive ordered a Blu-ray player but, naturally, dont have any disks to try on it. A quick trawl around Play, Amazon etc and it seems theres no real bargains to be had there. So ...

Wheres the place for cheap BDs?
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Bluray movies can be had for real cheap used, check out the F/S thread from time to time...I've picked up 3 in the past month or 2 for under 40 bucks shipped (1 of them being a 2 disc set Iron Man).

kuntasensei

Ricardo wrote: »

Well, no. If everything you post must be so perfect, MY reference of "6.1" audio Gladiator really, specifically referred to the DVD in my media rack, 2nd shelf from the top, 1st column from the left, located in position numer 8 (counting from left to right).

You keep yours there too? That's exactly where mine is!

Ron-P

Ricardo wrote: »

Looks like Gladiator will be 5.1, vs 6.1 in the Std DVD. Bummer.

Ahhh, but the 5.1 on Blu will be lossless, far better then lossy DD 6.1.

Erik Tracy

AVS rumblings report that Gladiator is a subpar transfer to BD...


oops....Gaara already beat me to that one....

Systems

lanion wrote: »

Troy (directors cut) was a respectable effort.

They are making movies like District 9 and Children of Men these days... good times for science fiction.

I didn't know Troy had a Directors Cut? How is it compared to the original?
kp

obieone

Ricardo wrote: »

Well, no. If everything you post must be so perfect, MY reference of "6.1" audio Gladiator really, specifically referred to the DVD in my media rack, 2nd shelf from the top, 1st column from the left, located in position numer 8 (counting from left to right).

Wait a minute...your left or mine

lanion

ken.paduch wrote: »

I didn't know Troy had a Directors Cut? How is it compared to the original?
kp

I've only seen the Director's cut. its about 30 minutes longer and gets more favorable reviews online. I enjoy it a lot... but I have a mancrush on Eric Bana.

JohnLocke88

ESavinon wrote: »

LOTR trilogy will be coming out soon on blue ray. I suggest you wait for the extended editions.

The first movie that will require 2 more more bluray discs for just the feature film...

Mike LoManaco

Ricardo wrote: »

Well, no. If everything you post must be so perfect,

What are you talking about, you horse's ****...when did I ever say that everything I post MUST be so perfect? Your ridiculously sarcastic remark with THIS:

MY reference of "6.1" audio Gladiator really, specifically referred to the DVD in my media rack, 2nd shelf from the top, 1st column from the left, located in position numer 8 (counting from left to right).

...leads me to believe that while I was just trying to help clarify something for you, it's not worth the energy in my fingertips.

Healthy viewing, Ricky.

Mike LoManaco

Ron-P wrote: »

Ahhh, but the 5.1 on Blu will be lossless, far better then lossy DD 6.1.

Not entirely accurate or necessarily so, Ron; not every single time.

The 6.1 ES mix on the Signature Selection, I suspect, will rival many lossless tracks out there -- perhaps including the 5.1 lossless mix on the BD; we'll have to see to be sure, though.

Mike LoManaco

Erik Tracy wrote: »

AVS rumblings report that Gladiator is a subpar transfer to BD...

Disappointing. But yet another reason why I am refraining from purchasing any more "double dips" on old titles from DVD to BD; I've been burned on this road before.

comfortablycurt

Mike LoManaco wrote: »

What are you talking about, you horse's ****...when did I ever say that everything I post MUST be so perfect? Your ridiculously sarcastic remark with THIS:



...leads me to believe that while I was just trying to help clarify something for you, it's not worth the energy in my fingertips.

Healthy viewing, Ricky.

Horses ****? Wow.:rolleyes:

You never said that everything you posted had to be perfect...but it's good to know that I'm not the only one who's noticed that you seem to need to be perfect on every bit of information.;)

Now I know that if I ever get Gladiator on DVD I should look for the Ultra Spectacular Extended Wangtastical 2 Disc Special Directors Cut Edition.



As Kunta said...it makes no difference anyway. The 6th channel is simply matrixed from the information of the two surround channels, so that it will still be backwards compatible with 5.1 systems. All of the different versions have the same soundtrack.