Tube amp vs Solid State ouputs?

Face

pearsall001 wrote: »

Vintage gear is always the exception to the rule!!! Nothing like a trip down memory lane!!!

Yes, nothing like vintage gear to hide the differences between cables, CDP's, etc...

pearsall001

Face wrote: »

Yes, nothing like vintage gear to hide the differences between cables, CDP's, etc...

I hope your not making fun of my Monoprice cables & K-Mart's finest APEX CD player. Synergy, baby...synergy!

engtaz

man this thead toke on a life of it's own. LOL LOL

mmadden28

mhardy6647 wrote: »

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reeltrouble1

Christ Almighty, want a bunch of Amatuers, I would of thought some of you were more advanced.

First off Alphalpha sucks my Spanky.

Second there are Voltage swings possible with tubes that are not possible with sand power, duh huh, as said voltage is a part of wattage so change the voltage and you get it, at least I hope you do, if not go wash the damm sand out of your eyes, of course transistor guys seem to always be getting it kicked in there. As far as some weak **** class D amp, a perfect of example of how some techno that can be done should not be for two channel music, just another band wagon to crawl on for the have-nots of the audio world definete relative in-breeding of the cavemen computer rig nerds and their lossy files and dont give me that crap about FLAC, usb sucks, firewire, ok, but usb sucks, and is related to sand.

Tubes Rule--Sand drools and itches your crotch.

RT1

mmadden28

RT1, why don't you tell us how you really feel?

madmax

mmadden28 wrote: »

RT1, why don't you tell us how you really feel?

Yeah, I couldn't tell if he was pro transistor, pro class d or pro tube.

I had a cheapy little class D amp and it sounded like I was listening to an electrostatic speaker (through the SDA's), same qualities. I kinda liked it.

madmax

reeltrouble1

funny Max, you missed your calling. I dunno maybe some ice with some horns would be nice, although you may want to have a wad of cotton around.

I did read recently in an audio article where the sand makers are in fact realizing the benefit of many smaller caps, one for each output transistor as opposed to those god awful coke can looking ear bleeding things they pushed out as high power but with a total lack of any refined sound. If sand is your bag something to take note of.

RT1

madmax

I'm a tube man, no doubt about it. I keep looking at a particular class d amp which people are saying goes very well with the horns. I tried the little tripath amp but it didn't do anything for me with the horns. For $15 or whatever it cost it was actually pretty reasonable. If someone would make a Class D amp with a tube rectifier that might be the golden bullit.
madmax

heiney9

You mean like this......heeeeee.....heeeee.



Always hated the Coke cans and never thought they did anything but hurt the final sound. I'm not fond of any of the Japanese 70's-90's amps that seem to think effing huge caps were anything more than for eye candy.

heiney9

madmax wrote: »

I'm a tube man, no doubt about it. I keep looking at a particular class d amp which people are saying goes very well with the horns. I tried the little tripath amp but it didn't do anything for me with the horns. For $15 or whatever it cost it was actually pretty reasonable. If someone would make a Class D amp with a tube rectifier that might be the golden bullit.
madmax

I'm experimenting with a very nicely built DIY gainclone amp and a tube pre-amp for my office rig. The amp is built with all Black Gate caps, Caddock and Riken resistors, nice big torrid. Only had it a few days and the jury is still out. It has lots of positives so far, but the negatives are there as well. Very, very simple clean design, a chipamp, 4 resistors and (2) caps per board. Rectifier has (2) diodes for each channel and (4) caps. That's it. 56wpc.







H9

reeltrouble1

yes brock, Bat does this as well, I cannot recall the manufacturer in the article I mentioned but this is a trend that lends to hi-fi, the many smaller caps thing, that fellow looking to improve his lsi-9 speakers should take note, its not about watts its about power and then about how that power is handled within the circuit topology, whether tube or sand is used.

But.........Tubes Rule, hehehehehehe.

Chuck you could do the same thing with a tube buffer and ice so knock yourself out and give it go, but remember no matter how much pretty you put on junk you end up with pretty junk. I would rather spend time listening to the best I can.

RT1

engtaz

Just for info: 20 watt tube amp does not do well on a 100 watt minimum speaker. But 200 watt ss does fine. LOL

madmax

reeltrouble1 wrote: »

Chuck you could do the same thing with a tube buffer and ice so knock yourself out and give it go, but remember no matter how much pretty you put on junk you end up with pretty junk. I would rather spend time listening to the best I can.

RT1

No way. With a rectifier tube I could have the slightest amout of sag and turn some digital into something else. Not sure what. Maybe just millions of bits of mess.

Face

engtaz wrote: »

Just for info: 20 watt tube amp does not do well on a 100 watt minimum speaker. But 200 watt ss does fine. LOL

What amp, what speakers?

madmax

I keep looking at this one.
http://www.hawkaudio.com/amp/HD-702.htm

mmadden28

How about a couple custom Dodd Tube mono's

http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?ampstube&1253476745&/Dodd-Audio-Custom
On sale now....:cool:

Face

mmadden28 wrote: »

How about a couple custom Dodd Tube mono's

That's Danny of GR Research.

F1nut

Those DODD's look sweet!!!

madmax

I'd want my pair in purple. Or red.

engtaz

Face wrote: »

What amp, what speakers?

Bogen SRB-20 and Carver M500, Phase Linear Andromeda

Systems

reeltrouble1 wrote: »

As far as some weak **** class D amp a perfect of example of how some techno that can be done should not be for two channel music, just another band wagon to crawl on for the have-nots of the audio world definete relative in-breeding of the cavemen computer rig nerds and their lossy files and dont give me that crap about FLAC, usb sucks, firewire, ok, but usb sucks, and is related to sand.

Thats a lot of hostility for young fella that was just on a holiday in the tropics,did we get hit on the head with a falling coconut while at the tiki bar?


I outright dismissed Class D for anything other than subwoofer use until I heard the Hypex's,they are surprisingly good and not at all the harsh, sterile clinical sound I was expecting.

heiney9 wrote: »

Always hated the Coke cans and never thought they did anything but hurt the final sound. I'm not fond of any of the Japanese 70's-90's amps that seem to think effing huge caps were anything more than for eye candy.

As did the Thresholds ,Krells,ML's and Bryston's of that era.

I'm experimenting with a very nicely built DIY gainclone amp ... Very, very simple clean design, a chipamp, 4 resistors and (2) caps per board.

Well simple in that it needs few external components but just like any IC opamp it is quite complex with dozens of transistors ,resistors, capacitors,diodes etc. within the chips die.

Serendipity

Not all watts are created equal.

I've heard 15 watt tube amps that sound better than my 50w/ch Onkyo. (Or their claimed 100*7)

heiney9

GV#27 wrote: »

Well simple in that it needs few external components but just like any IC opamp it is quite complex with dozens of transistors ,resistors, capacitors,diodes etc. within the chips die.

That's exactly what I meant. Simple to build and easy to understand because of the "other" parts as part of the IC.

How do you like your LM3875? This amp has me really intrigued coming from discrete amps. Using a tube pre right now and trying to find the correct synergy with my 5B's.

H9

Face

engtaz wrote: »

Bogen SRB-20

What is that, about 40 years old? :rolleyes:

madmax

Zero wrote: »

I know we all have our opinion/belief/what we think/feel is fact, but.. wow, I see lot's of definitive statements coming from people who have hardly scraped the surface of whats out there. This isn't to say that I'm any better, but sheesh...

These are pretty strong statements. We try to get along with each other here at club polk. Are you trying to cause trouble?

madmax

Trouble, I knew it from the start.
So what are we missing here as we scratch upon the surface?
madmax

xsmi

Really quick how do you get the Carver tube amps?

engtaz

http://www.carveraudio.com/phpBB3/index.php?sid=cb59453aaa209dc88f92a543d76eaf5c Go here and read.

xsmi

Well I can't afford those on a teacher's salary.