how to reduce dental sound?

SivaNevets
SivaNevets Posts: 303
edited August 2009 in Troubleshooting
I couldnt wait I just plugged in my RTI6 to my receiver (Denon AVR 789, much cleaner, more defined sound and finally bass came out from the speakers! but my gf says the dental sound is too harsh she couldnt tolerant it. i have some high frequency hear loss so i dont find the dental sound harsh at all. Anyways what is the best way to reduce the dental sound without bring negative effect to overal sound quality?

ps. dental sound i mean by the vocal sound when pronoucing "th" or "sh", airy sound from teeth.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,554
    edited July 2009
    Anyways what is the best way to reduce the dental sound without bring negative effect to overal sound quality?

    Tubes.
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  • skipf
    skipf Posts: 694
    edited July 2009
    What is your source? Sibilence (sp) can have many causes. But F1 is right, tubes are always a good solution to the problem.
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  • AudioGenics
    AudioGenics Posts: 2,567
    edited July 2009
    filters, modify Xover, use soundproofing in strategic areas,

    Equalization (graphic and parametric)

    .... find a new "GF" (only KIDDING...)
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  • SivaNevets
    SivaNevets Posts: 303
    edited July 2009
    hi guys how do i put tubes into the receiver? just kd
    after manually configure the front speaker distance (12ft to 2ft, im using my pc) the sound even gets a lot more better, sound stage was so clear! i love my receiver will keep it for several yrs.

    i use pc format as sound source (ape, flac), i have a E-mu 0404 USB that has a very good DAC (AKM AK4395 DAC), the Emu 1212/ 1818 / 1616 even has a even better DAC(CS4398 DAC with 120 SNR and a AK5394 ADC.) that i may eventually upgrade to. i currently using mini->2 RCA belkin pureAV cable. my soundcard has SPDIF out though, both coaxial and optical, i dont have the cable yet, will get from monoprice a s soon as i figure out how many cables i need in total.
    Front: Martinlogan ESL
    Center: Martinlogan Stage
    Rear: Martinlogan Motion 4
    Sub: Martinlogan Grotto-I
    Receiver: Pioneer Elite SC 1523K

    PC 2 Channel: Polk LSI7
    Headset: Grado RS2 + Grado RA1 amp
    Mic: Neumann KMS605

    Car Audio
    2002 MB C240 Sedan
    MM6501 components
    MM840 sub
    MB Quart Onyx 4.60 (1/2 to components, 3/4 bridged to sub)
    Pioneer 8200BT HU
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  • Airplay355
    Airplay355 Posts: 4,298
    edited July 2009
    You could try a piece of tissue paper/toilet paper over the tweeters.
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  • nguyendot
    nguyendot Posts: 3,594
    edited July 2009
    Sounds like your audio is 'harsh' Isn't one possible contributing factor jitteR?
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  • wallstreet
    wallstreet Posts: 1,405
    edited July 2009
    Turn down the treble to it's default setting. Turn off any audio enhancements. Set to direct sound if available. If those don't work, replace girlfriend.
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  • suprafantx
    suprafantx Posts: 249
    edited July 2009
    Did you try to listen to music by singer who has a big gap between two front teeth? Try it and tell us if you still hear "th" or "sh":p
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  • John30_30
    John30_30 Posts: 1,024
    edited July 2009
    SivaNevets wrote: »
    hi guys how do i put tubes into the receiver? just kd
    after manually configure the front speaker distance (12ft to 2ft, im using my pc) the sound even gets a lot more better, sound stage was so clear! i love my receiver will keep it for several yrs.

    i use pc format as sound source (ape, flac), i have a E-mu 0404 USB that has a very good DAC (AKM AK4395 DAC), the Emu 1212/ 1818 / 1616 even has a even better DAC(CS4398 DAC with 120 SNR and a AK5394 ADC.) that i may eventually upgrade to. i currently using mini->2 RCA belkin pureAV cable. my soundcard has SPDIF out though, both coaxial and optical, i dont have the cable yet, will get from monoprice a s soon as i figure out how many cables i need in total.

    What software are you using?
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  • SivaNevets
    SivaNevets Posts: 303
    edited July 2009
    foobar thats what im using
    Front: Martinlogan ESL
    Center: Martinlogan Stage
    Rear: Martinlogan Motion 4
    Sub: Martinlogan Grotto-I
    Receiver: Pioneer Elite SC 1523K

    PC 2 Channel: Polk LSI7
    Headset: Grado RS2 + Grado RA1 amp
    Mic: Neumann KMS605

    Car Audio
    2002 MB C240 Sedan
    MM6501 components
    MM840 sub
    MB Quart Onyx 4.60 (1/2 to components, 3/4 bridged to sub)
    Pioneer 8200BT HU
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  • wingnut4772
    wingnut4772 Posts: 7,519
    edited July 2009
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  • Knucklehead
    Knucklehead Posts: 3,602
    edited July 2009
    Whenever I stream music from the internet to my AVR such as you tube, I get the "dental sound" more so than if I play a cd. For me the problem seems to be the source.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,554
    edited July 2009
    It's called sibilence, there is no such thing as dental sound.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

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  • George Grand
    George Grand Posts: 12,258
    edited July 2009
    Sibilance.

    You had me going with the "dental sound" there. Finally I thought, a problem I can sink my teeth into.
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  • Knucklehead
    Knucklehead Posts: 3,602
    edited July 2009
    LOL, thanks for setting me straight, see...I learn something new every time I log-in.
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  • AudioGenics
    AudioGenics Posts: 2,567
    edited July 2009
    to reduce sibilance "de-essing / de-esser "
    fast-acting compressor can be utilized so that when set to attenuate the high frequencies present in sibilant sounds.
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited July 2009
    jvc wrote: »
    to reduce sibilance "de-essing / de-esser "
    fast-acting compressor can be utilized so that when set to attenuate the high frequencies present in sibilant sounds.

    What in the hell are you talking about?
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  • AudioGenics
    AudioGenics Posts: 2,567
    edited July 2009
    ART (Applied Research & Technology) Pro VLA tube driven
    Vactrol-based (trademark) Compressor/Leveling amplifier

    or use typical Voltage Controlled Amplifiers (VCA’s) compression units
    to handle level detection
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  • Knucklehead
    Knucklehead Posts: 3,602
    edited July 2009
    hearingimpared wrote: »
    What in the hell are you talking about?

    Again, jvc...what in the hell are you talking about?
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    LG BDP-550
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited July 2009
    You took the words right out of my mouth.

    jvc wrote: »
    ART (Applied Research & Technology) Pro VLA tube driven
    Vactrol-based (trademark) Compressor/Leveling amplifier

    or use typical Voltage Controlled Amplifiers (VCA’s) compression units
    to handle level detection

    Somehow I don't think that is going to fix his sibilence problem.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,554
    edited July 2009
    Knucklehead wrote: »
    Again, jvc...what in the hell are you talking about?

    He has no idea, he simply copies and pastes stuff he finds on Google. It's getting real old too.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

    President of Club Polk

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  • AudioGenics
    AudioGenics Posts: 2,567
    edited July 2009
    just saying if the sibilance is part of the original recorded material then that condition would appear on any playback system that is used.
    The recording engineering would use compression to minimize that undesirable effect.
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited July 2009
    jvc wrote: »
    ART (Applied Research & Technology) Pro VLA tube driven
    Vactrol-based (trademark) Compressor/Leveling amplifier

    or use typical Voltage Controlled Amplifiers (VCA’s) compression units
    to handle level detection
    Knucklehead wrote: »
    Again, jvc...what in the hell are you talking about?
    jvc wrote: »
    just saying if the sibilance is part of the original recorded material then that condition would appear on any playback system that is used.
    The recording engineering would use compression to minimize that undesirable effect.

    Mr. Chen you have a knack for stating the obvious which is of no help.
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  • AudioGenics
    AudioGenics Posts: 2,567
    edited July 2009
    Removing sibilance from vocal recording then use of a The pop guard (or pop filter) with the microphone setup and the singer.
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  • concealer404
    concealer404 Posts: 7,440
    edited July 2009
    This thread rules. Hard.
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited July 2009
    jvc wrote: »
    Removing sibilance from vocal recording then use of a The pop guard (or pop filter) with the microphone setup and the singer.

    How does that help the OP?
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  • AudioGenics
    AudioGenics Posts: 2,567
    edited July 2009
    the OP determine :
    if the sibilance problem...due to the original recorded source.
    vocal sibilance in recording is in the ~ 6khz range.

    if due to the playback system then a spectrum analysis could be use to re-tune.
    - tone shaping to minimize the sibilance .
    - digital plugin
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  • jimmydep
    jimmydep Posts: 1,305
    edited July 2009
    jvc wrote: »
    Removing sibilance from vocal recording then use of a The pop guard (or pop filter) with the microphone setup and the singer.

    I'm sure if you contact the record company they would gladly remaster the original cd to eliminate the problem.........NOT!!!:rolleyes:


    Jimmy
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  • AudioGenics
    AudioGenics Posts: 2,567
    edited July 2009
    No way... once the material is released to go back to the producers to remaster.
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  • rayslifecycle
    rayslifecycle Posts: 511
    edited July 2009
    Knucklehead wrote: »
    Whenever I stream music from the internet to my AVR such as you tube, I get the "dental sound" more so than if I play a cd. For me the problem seems to be the source.

    I have to agree with the Knucklehead on this one. My PC as a source has a lot more "sibilance" than any other source - especially if streaming from an online radio station.....

    lowering the 6khz slider in my player did make an improvement
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