New is not always good

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  • bobt
    bobt Posts: 280
    edited May 2009
    Just a note.....my trying to return this CD player...because it can't play X amout of CD's...after a month or so.....is pretty much like pissing in the wind....NOT going to happen!!!!!
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited May 2009
    bobt wrote:
    Just a note.....my trying to return this CD player...because it can't play X amout of CD's...after a month or so.....is pretty much like pissing in the wind....NOT going to happen!!!!!

    Have you tried or asked the seller? If it is a new unit, it is under warranty by Jolida. (Warranty: 18 months parts and labor -From their web site). If it is not working properly they will fix it...if it is new and if it was purchased from an authorized dealer.

    ...and if not just sell it.

    And BTW...from several reliable sources...the "street price" on the XA3ES was in the $350 range.
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,029
    edited May 2009
    I smell a whiff. Anybody else smell anything?
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  • Ricardo
    Ricardo Posts: 10,636
    edited May 2009
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  • Braddles
    Braddles Posts: 228
    edited May 2009
    bobt wrote: »
    No the unit IS a Sony XA3ES...and street price was not $350.....on a good day! more like $500 at cheap!

    The problem is...the Jolidia...has had time...to break in.(200 hours)...It is stock, brand new.
    It is still more brittle then the Sony..too bright...

    OK..I can MAYBE by that..cause of the China tubes......but still..it's tubes.

    What i don't get is why this updated cd player..can't play CD's that the Sony can???????

    Plus why I should pay for a CD player, that can't play this stuff????????

    The Sony is not brittle at all..the Sony sound is in most cases better.....altho... it is not as much..maybe in you face as the Jolidia.

    There is a difference between the two.....but...is it worth the money??????

    Plus the stupid thing of why this New CD player..will not play the CD's?????

    If you have a good answer for this be my guest....

    Mate did you do any research before you purchased this?????????:confused::confused:

    Surely if it did'nt do some of the basic functions you want (play other formats) you would not even have considered it as an option for you to buy?

    I would to be embarrassed:o:o to come on here and **** and mone about what i have bought, when it was my own fault for buying it.. What did someone hold a gun to your head and say "buy this cd player"

    Sometimes you just have to be man enough to say " I f**ked up."
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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    edited May 2009
    As the famous philosopher, Forrest Gump, said; Stupid is as stupid does.
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  • bobt
    bobt Posts: 280
    edited May 2009
    Well yes.....i thought this CD player was going to be real good.
    Acording to all the people on this website....

    But it is not.......if it can't play just CD's....that the Sony can..geeee..I guess
    It's not really as good....

    Gee..must be something wrong with the CD player.....when it skip's crap all over the place...gee i think there is something wrong. Plus just not 1 cd..even new CDs...so this has to be returned...if anything
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited May 2009
    gee.....this thread is crap.....gee some people are smarter than others.....gee whizzz....gee there is something wrong with the operator....gee.....be smarter than the machine.....gee talk to the dealer you bought it from and exchange it......gee stop your bitching and do something to remedy the situation......gee you sound like a broken record.....gee whizzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz......maybe you should stick with BOSE
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,029
    edited May 2009
    This will most likely be the only time in the history of my posting on any forum or in talking with audiophool friends in the past 3 decades that I would ever suggest that somebody look into this. Well, today......May 13th, 2009 I would like to suggest the following.......

    Bobt, please look into Bose as I feel it is right up your alley. Oh my Gawd, I can't believe I just said that. :eek:
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  • ahardy17
    ahardy17 Posts: 84
    edited May 2009
    lightman1 wrote: »
    If it is new, give it some playing time. Roll a few tubes. Give it a chance. You may be suprised in the end.

    sorry i'm so ignorant...tubes??? :confused:
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited May 2009
    bobt wrote: »
    Well yes.....i thought this CD player was going to be real good.
    Acording to all the people on this website....

    But it is not.......if it can't play just CD's....that the Sony can..geeee..I guess
    It's not really as good....

    Gee..must be something wrong with the CD player.....when it skip's crap all over the place...gee i think there is something wrong. Plus just not 1 cd..even new CDs...so this has to be returned...if anything

    There is something obviously wrong with the player. Why don't you exchange it instead of ranting at the club members here who recommend highly this piece of gear.
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited May 2009
    ahardy17 wrote: »
    sorry i'm so ignorant...tubes??? :confused:

    Vacuum tubes instead of transistors........like your grandfathers radio
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • Braddles
    Braddles Posts: 228
    edited May 2009
    bobt wrote: »
    Well yes.....i thought this CD player was going to be real good.
    Acording to all the people on this website....

    But it is not.......if it can't play just CD's....that the Sony can..geeee..I guess
    It's not really as good....

    Gee..must be something wrong with the CD player.....when it skip's crap all over the place...gee i think there is something wrong. Plus just not 1 cd..even new CDs...so this has to be returned...if anything


    Well yes ...... you were wrong. Get over it!


    Maybe you just don't know what a good cd player sounds like.

    Gee..... i think there is something wrong too................

    I cant believe you can not see that you are making yourself out to look like a complete knob!!!!!!!:confused:

    Then again if the hat fits........

    Take the bloody thing back for f**k sake.
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  • disneyjoe7
    disneyjoe7 Posts: 11,435
    edited May 2009
    I agree there's something wrong with player, as it should rock your world.

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  • mrbigbluelight
    mrbigbluelight Posts: 9,726
    edited May 2009
    If I were you, I'd kharma this piece of junk to one of us idiots that thinks it's an okay piece of gear.

    That way, you get rid of junk cluttering up the house, and somebody here gets ... stuck ... with a piece of crap.
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  • thuffman03
    thuffman03 Posts: 1,325
    edited May 2009
    Sorry to hear that you had issues with the jolida. I have done quite a bit of listing to the JD 100A and found it to be a solid player. Heck you can use the remote as a weapon if someone atacks you. It must weigh 8 lbs.
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  • snow
    snow Posts: 4,337
    edited May 2009
    Well im looking for someone other than myself to blame also. If all you idiots hadnt reccomended MIT speaker cables then I wouldndt have bought them and got my foot tangled up in one and tripped and fell this morning.

    Its not my fault that I wasnt watching where I was going or that I had them in front of the speakers where I normally walk like a dumbass.

    It wouldndt have happened if I hadnt bought them and I wouldndt have bought them if they werent approved by the masses here.

    :rolleyes:

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  • sucks2beme
    sucks2beme Posts: 5,601
    edited May 2009
    Two weeks and we still don't know

    A: was this a new out of the box player or new to BOBT
    B: IF it was skipping on multiple discs why he didn't immediately contact the seller

    If new, waiting to burn in wouldn't make it read discs any better. Sound
    wise, well it's known to sound good, but even better with a tube change.
    If it took a drop kick injury during shipping, why would any CP member's
    reviews of the JD100 be suspect? Shipping damage is shipping damage.
    Go deal with the retailer, or warranty service. I did some Googling,
    and I don't see any patterns of drive failures reported. And I doubt
    you have any of the 25 year old cd's that I have that had trouble
    with some CDPs. So send it in for repair already. Damn!
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited May 2009
    Very rational thought process S2BME, BOBT is among one of the most irrational people on this board. His posts are awful to follow and contain zero coherent information. Incoherent rambling from the asylum.............
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • Monster Jam
    Monster Jam Posts: 919
    edited May 2009
    I feel for BOBT. He isn't the first, and wont be the last, to fall victim to outrageous expectations.

    What I find interesting is that its my experience that its the SONY models that are never backwards compatible with previous media.
    Do you hear that buzzing noise? :confused:
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  • bobt
    bobt Posts: 280
    edited May 2009
    Yes, you people don't like my thoughts about cables..so be it.

    I talked to Mike Allen directly about the Jolidia. i told him what was wrong.

    The fact that the Jolidia skips on some songs, where the Sony XA3ES dose not. He told to me, responce was basically..good for the Sony. The Jolidia uses a different pick up system, then the Sony. There are NO adjustments...nothing he can do..if it skips on some songs try cleaning the CD. No reason to send it back, no adjustments can be made. According to him...as he should Know ..he owns the company....there are NO adjustments to the deck..no disk adjustments..nothing!!!

    SO...you can take it for what it's worth.......
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,029
    edited May 2009
    ****. I just talked to them yesterday and they said that for 90 bucks for the first hour and 50 bucks thereafter, they will get the Jolida JD100 back up to perfect factory specifications. This also includes a 90 day factory warrantee.
    ~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
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  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited May 2009
    I know for a fact F1 can get to sing for about 1500 bucks (hey a guy's gotta eat).

    RT1
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  • bobt
    bobt Posts: 280
    edited May 2009
    Just a PS to that....

    Just because some of you people think Im not "coherent."........

    Sorry, I've been a computer tech for 20 years.....and when the owner of the company tells me there is no adjustments...I don't need to hook up a scope to do anything...well ****..I have to believe the guy.

    You don't like what i say..sorry....unless you can disprove it..take a walk!!!!!!!
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  • tcrossma
    tcrossma Posts: 1,301
    edited May 2009
    bobt wrote: »
    Just a PS to that....

    Just because some of you people think Im not "coherent."........

    Sorry, I've been a computer tech for 20 years.....and when the owner of the company tells me there is no adjustments...I don't need to hook up a scope to do anything...well ****..I have to believe the guy.

    You don't like what i say..sorry....unless you can disprove it..take a walk!!!!!!!

    Something not having adjustments is a lot different than something being broken. If it doesn't read a bunch of CD's it's broken, simple as that. Send it back and get it fixed. Is it under warranty?
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,029
    edited May 2009
    I just talked to Mr. Micheal Allen himself and he says that there is no issue with getting your Jolida JD100 back up to snuff for the prices aforementioned. No issue at all. You bought used, you take that chance.....

    My advice? send it to F1 and at a cost of $1500.00, you will have what we all have. Good luck and enjoy the Sony in the meantime Bob.
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  • bobt
    bobt Posts: 280
    edited May 2009
    What in hell are you talking about Treitz3?????

    This is a brand new unit..if it was not...if this thing was 3 years old or something..i would not be pissed off....
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  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited May 2009
    Bob, now tell the truth have you been using your CD's as little frisbee's???

    I understand you perfectly well, which is actually quite scary.

    Welcome to audio, if you knew the number of these fellows including myself who have threatened to turn some high priced piece into a boat anchor because of it's irratic quirks you would be stunned.

    The Sony is a workhorse, you could toss it in the backseat upside down, pull it out and it will play just fine.

    The Jolida is just not for you, life is too short, sell it and move on is my advice.

    I am afraid its either that or the F1 super mod, just change the clock, the caps, the internal wiring, remove the digital outputs, new tubes and your off...........but you still cant use those old scratched up discs in it.

    RT1
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,029
    edited May 2009
    Right.........right........right. New. Of course. Now I believe you. They obviously have no new parts for something that went out the door 18 days ago. I see. :rolleyes:
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited May 2009
    I said that 20 posts ago. Actually I would ask for a new one as a replacement.
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