New is not always good
bobt
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I wasted alot of money on a Jolida ..JD100......this was supposed to be the best.
I had a Sony...XA3ES..was not cheap and supposed to be the best..at the time.
I Played a Huey Lewis CD on the JD....it skipped all over the place..I knew there was really nothing wrong with this cd. took the Sony..put it on the floor.....put in the cd.....it played perfect and sounded better then the dam JD...most of the stuff sounds better off the Sony then the JD......
I don't really care what any body else thinks....but when a 1980 Sony can play music better then this new crap....sad ****.
I wasted alot of money for nothing..........this player is in no way better then the Sony.....
I had a Sony...XA3ES..was not cheap and supposed to be the best..at the time.
I Played a Huey Lewis CD on the JD....it skipped all over the place..I knew there was really nothing wrong with this cd. took the Sony..put it on the floor.....put in the cd.....it played perfect and sounded better then the dam JD...most of the stuff sounds better off the Sony then the JD......
I don't really care what any body else thinks....but when a 1980 Sony can play music better then this new crap....sad ****.
I wasted alot of money for nothing..........this player is in no way better then the Sony.....
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give it some time to run in a bit... I have not heard one of the Jolida's, but have heard wonderful things about them. Did you buy this one new or used? If you got it used, is there a possibility the tubes may need to be replaced?The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD
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If it is new, give it some playing time. Roll a few tubes. Give it a chance. You may be suprised in the end.
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I am guessing Stock tubes and my Jolida has never missed a beat. I also think it sounds better than the 1980's Sony that was used at Al Ballards house for Polk Fest.I like speakers that are bigger than a small refrigerator but smaller than a big refrigerator:D
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There is no such thing as 'the best'. And if there were such a thing, it likely wouldn't be a $900 player. It all comes down to personal preference and system synergy. So you're basing your opinion based on what? A CD skipping, and what kind of music, what tubes in the Jolida, what amp, what speakers, what likes and dislikes?2 channel - Willsenton R8 tube integrated, Holo Audio Spring 3 KTE DAC, audio optimized NUC7i5, Windows 10 Pro/JRiver MC29/Fidelizer Plus 8.7 w/LPS and external SSD drive, PS Audio PerfectWave P3 regenerator, KEF R3 speakers, Rythmik F12SE subwoofer, Audioquest Diamond USB cable, Gabriel Gold IC's, Morrow Audio SP5 speaker cables. Computer - Windows 10/JRiver, Schiit Magni 3+/Modi 3+, Fostex PMO.4n monitors, Sennheiser HD600 headphones
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Return the Jolida and keep your Sony. Problem solved.HT/2-channel Rig: Sony 50 LCD TV; Toshiba HD-A2 DVD player; Emotiva LMC-1 pre/pro; Rogue Audio M-120 monoblocks (modded); Placette RVC; Emotiva LPA-1 amp; Bada HD-22 tube CDP (modded); VMPS Tower II SE (fronts); DIY Clearwave Dynamic 4CC (center); Wharfedale Opus Tri-Surrounds (rear); and VMPS 215 sub
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Return the Jolida and keep your Sony. Problem solved.
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I wouldn't be able to tolerate any player that skips, either exchange or return it.
As for you liking your old player better, I believe older Sony units are known to be somewhat bright/forward. Maybe that's the tonality you prefer and you should look to a brand other than Jolida."He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche -
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I wasted alot of money on a Jolida ..JD100......this was supposed to be the best.
Who told you it was the best? The fact is it's not close to being the best.I had a Sony...XA3ES..was not cheap and supposed to be the best..at the time.
Who told you it was the best? The fact is it's not close to being the best.I Played a Huey Lewis CD on the JD....it skipped all over the place..I knew there was really nothing wrong with this cd. took the Sony..put it on the floor.....put in the cd.....it played perfect and sounded better then the dam JD...most of the stuff sounds better off the Sony then the JD......
You played one CD and arrived at your conclusion? Perhaps the Jolida does have a problem in which case I'm sure the dealer will take care of you. Perhaps the CD is fubared in a way that the Jolida's laser doesn't like. Try a different CD.I don't really care what any body else thinks....but when a 1980 Sony can play music better then this new crap....sad ****.
I wasted alot of money for nothing..........this player is in no way better then the Sony.....
You seem to have a knack of making hasty decisions. Take a deep breath and try to figure out what the problem actually is before flushing the toilet.
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The Jolida sounds like it has a laser alignment problem. I'd get another unit. Trust me , once you hear a working JD100, the Sony won't win.
As a Jolida owner, I'm under no illusions about it being the best, but for the $$ spent, it's a damn fine unit.Review Site_ (((AudioPursuit)))
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As for you liking your old player better, I believe older Sony units are known to be somewhat bright/forward. Maybe that's the tonality you prefer and you should look to a brand other than Jolida.
That was my experience also Mike.
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Bob
The guys have given you some great advice. Check into it and let us know how you made out. If you have read some of the threads/posts around here you'll see where components need to burn-in before reaching there full potential.
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The Sony was a very good middle of the road CDP (mid-fi I guess) back in it's day that retailed for around $350. I have heard the Jolida and it is a very good middle of the road CDP as well.
What you may have is a Jolida CDP that has a mechanical issue and a set of tubes that (1) are not burned in (yes tubes DO need burn in time IMO) or (2) may not be suited to your listening tastes. Tubes more that most any other audio component can change the sound of a piece of gear (ie: tube rolling).
You also may have developed a preference for the sound of the Sony and any initial listening from any other CDP will sound foreign. I will assure you that the electronics of the Jolida are more advanced than the Sony. Much has changed in the 25± years since that Sony was developed. I happen to like Sony CDPs, but my model from the late 80s can't hold it's own against even modest late model Sony players in terms of the basics.
You've made some broad generalizations about something without enough information to substantiate the claims IMO. If you like the sound of the old Sony...that's great. Keep it till it dies. You probably need to keep looking for another replacement because repair parts won't be readily available...if at all.
Say you prefer one over the other...just be careful what you call crap...because the Jolida is a nice piece of gear...even if it isn't your preference."Just because youre offended doesnt mean youre right." - Ricky Gervais
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Bob, my advice would be to slow down and take a deep breath. The Jolida JD100 is fairly well regarded as a CDP but again, definitely not the best. I have one sitting in my rig and I'm listening to it as we speak.
What you may hear is the difference between the forwardness of the Sony along with a different tone that you may not be used to. This is neither good nor bad, just different. I do have to ask this though......are you sitting in the sweet spot while you are listening or are you walking around the room? This can make a huge difference as to what you hear.
Just to let you know, the stock tubes that come with the Jolida are widely known as leaving a lot to be desired and to some folks, they'll tell you point blank that they suck. Try rolling some Sovtek's or some Ei Gold pins if you are lucky enough to get a hold of a pair. Also, this particular player responds well to a PC upgrade as well as different flavors of IC's. Try experimenting and then listen in the sweet spot.
Two things to note: First, get back with the dealer if CD's skip as I have bought mine used and I have never had a CD skip once in the two or three years I have had it. Second, it takes some time for tubes to "get ready". There is the warm up period after initial turn on [10 to 15 minutes] and then there is the break-in period for the tubes to really start to shine [100-400 hours of play].~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~ -
The Jolida CDP is going to need at least a 100 hrs of time to burn in and settle down, then decide if you like the sound or not. The stock Chinese tubes are not good IMHO. I would swap them out for any of the good 12ax7 tubes, Tungsol or reissued Mullards might be a good first set of tubes to try, and they new ones are reasonably priced.
I've never had my Jolida skip. I would be calling the dealer you bought it from and getting another unit, if more than just that one CD is skipping.DKG999
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In addition to burn-in etc., it is certainly possible the Jolida would prefer a different interconnect than the Sony. Read my review of the Cambridge 840C CDP to see how a "new supposedly wonderful" CD player didn't sound any better than my old one, UNTIL I tried a different interconnect, which made all the difference.
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In addition to burn-in etc., it is certainly possible the Jolida would prefer a different interconnect than the Sony. Read my review of the Cambridge 840C CDP to see how a "new supposedly wonderful" CD player didn't sound any better than my old one, UNTIL I tried a different interconnect, which made all the difference.
http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80075&highlight=cambridge+audio+840C
Remember him............he started the whole Spearker cable thread. I doubt any sort of reasoning (especially about cables) that has been put forth in this thread is going to get through. There is some superb advice in this thread, Bobt I hope you atleast conside some of it.
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H9 you are right, I hadn't noticed that!
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I had a Sony...XA3ES..was not cheap and supposed to be the best..at the time.
I Played a Huey Lewis CD on the JD....it skipped all over the place..I knew there was really nothing wrong with this cd. took the Sony..put it on the floor.....put in the cd.....it played perfect and sounded better then the dam JD...most of the stuff sounds better off the Sony then the JD......
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Be careful. There are some older cd's out there that are touchy.
I had some older cd's without scratches that wouldn't play on Pioneer
elite players. The problem turned out to be the cd's. Exact Audio Copy
couldn't read them, even after trying SIX DIFFERENT CDROMS.
They were old cd's from the mid 80's. Cheap players had no problems.
The other problem I had was some cd's and tracks were mastered hot.
Add in a cdp with a hot output, and it sounded bad with one of my preamps.
I swapped to the Parasound preamp that had input overload lights,
and I saw them light up. Swapped CDP's, problem solved. That's the
synergy thing we talk about. One preamp or cdp combo works great,
another one doesn't. Try the same cdp with a 3rd preamp, whole
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The Sony CDP's have a very addictive, punchy sound to them. I think Shack nailed it when he said that it may be you are just accustomed to the Sony sound. I noticed the same thing when I finally sold off (years ago) my Sony CDP for a Cambridge 500SE. At first, I was not impressed with the Cambridge' laid back sound. I though it was a little anemic, but later found it much more listenable in the long run.Source: Bluesound Node 2i - Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2 DX - Amp: Parasound Halo A21 - Speakers: MartinLogan Motion 60XTi - Shop Rig: Yamaha A-S501 Integrated - Shop Spkrs: Elac Debut 2.0 B5.2
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I don't really care what any body else thinks....but when a 1980 Sony can play music better then this new crap....sad ****.shack wrote:You also may have developed a preference for the sound of the Sony and any initial listening from any other CDP will sound foreign. I will assure you that the electronics of the Jolida are more advanced than the Sony. Much has changed in the 25± years since that Sony was developed. I happen to like Sony CDPs, but my model from the late 80s can't hold it's own against even modest late model Sony players in terms of the basics.
FYI
CD was introduced in North America in 1983. The Sony model in his post looks to be from the mid to late 90's from what I can find. This is not a first generation Sony player and is was not manufactured in 1980.
I recall retiring a second generation Technics player. The Sony replacement was significantly better.
I will refrain from adding further comments.
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FYI
CD was introduced in North America in 1983. The Sony model in his post looks to be from the mid to late 90's from what I can find. This is not a first generation Sony player and is was not manufactured in 1980.
I recall retiring a second generation Technics player. The Sony replacement was significantly better.
I will refrain from adding further comments.
So, I don't get your point? Just calling someone out about a date or did you have something constructive to add? The point is his CDP is pretty old and in most instances cdp's of today have advanced enough they do sound better.
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I believe he is reinforcing the same point the rest of us are making."He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche
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I believe he is reinforcing the same point the rest of us are making.
If he is I missed it. Just wondering what he was trying to say."Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul! -
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jm1 wrote:FYI
CD was introduced in North America in 1983. The Sony model in his post looks to be from the mid to late 90's from what I can find. This is not a first generation Sony player and is was not manufactured in 1980.
FYI...it was the OP that stated the CDP was from 1980. I merely found the unit was the lower of the XA7ES, XA5ES and XA3ES series and the street price was around $350."Just because youre offended doesnt mean youre right." - Ricky Gervais
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No the unit IS a Sony XA3ES...and street price was not $350.....on a good day! more like $500 at cheap!
The problem is...the Jolidia...has had time...to break in.(200 hours)...It is stock, brand new.
It is still more brittle then the Sony..too bright...
OK..I can MAYBE by that..cause of the China tubes......but still..it's tubes.
What i don't get is why this updated cd player..can't play CD's that the Sony can???????
Plus why I should pay for a CD player, that can't play this stuff????????
The Sony is not brittle at all..the Sony sound is in most cases better.....altho... it is not as much..maybe in you face as the Jolidia.
There is a difference between the two.....but...is it worth the money??????
Plus the stupid thing of why this New CD player..will not play the CD's?????
If you have a good answer for this be my guest....
