Official ICE CLUB Thread

mantis

jmos wrote: »

Gday All, this is the only thread on this forum I had found mentioning the Rotel RB-1572.
I was wandering if anyone is using this amp to run Lsi15's ? I have a Nad t973 running my lsi15's, Lsic and four Lsifx's 7x140watts@8ohms.
What do think about getting the RB-1572 to run the Lsi15's and let the Nad do the rest.
Not sure if the Nad is quite doing it for the Lsi15's. Using an Onkyo 875 as a pre
Thanks and sorry if this is the wrong place for this query

Your amp is fine, it has plenty of power to drive your entire speaker package.
I would change out the Onkyo 875 if your not liking the sound quality. But if you want to add Ice amps, Rotel is the way to go. I would get the RMB1575 and the RB1572 for all 7 channels.That should be a pretty mean amp setup.

Dan

jmos

mantis wrote: »

Your amp is fine, it has plenty of power to drive your entire speaker package.
I would change out the Onkyo 875 if your not liking the sound quality. But if you want to add Ice amps, Rotel is the way to go. I would get the RMB1575 and the RB1572 for all 7 channels.That should be a pretty mean amp setup.

Dan

Thanks Dan, appreciate it. I may look into integrating a 2 channel stereo amp within my ht system.

Systems

For those interested there is a full reveiw of the 07 in the May issue of Home Theater magazine.

iskandam

My 05 finally arrived today! I ran the initial MCACC sweep then the Automatic MCACC set to ALL. However I wasn't able to get it to calibrate for 3 listening positions. Is there a setting that would allow me to do that?

I was a bit worried at first because the sound was bright but after a couple of hours it did mellow out. I only had a chance to test a couple of CDs, brief clips of DVDs and the full episode of FRINGE tonight. I also played the bike chase scene from AKIRA Bluray to see how the 05 handles 24bit/192khz Dolby TrueHD soundtrack. I am sending it via LPCM from the PS3. To my surprise the screen reads PCM 96Khz. It said the same thing on my previous receiver (HK AVR 247) which led me to suspect that there might be a limit on the playback sampling rate if you send the signal via PCM.

I will try more movies and music tomorrow, but count me in as another happy ICE Club member

vijayl

After a week of wait, I received my SC-07 this afternoon. hooked it up and haven't run the MCAAC, but still the clean sound is so obvious. My wife said this is a clean sound!! I still miss my 805, but ICE is awesome. I can understand why all the pros are vouching on this.
For those who are in the borderline, I would say just go for it. All I can say is it is an experience and I can't explain and it is not coming out of instant gratification..
I'll try following this and will give an update:
o HDMI Connect feature w/ my Samsung LCD and not sure if PS3 has the capability
o Run MCAAC
o test drive Media direct

Now, Mr President, Would the Club accept me as an official member?

mantis

vijayl wrote: »

After a week of wait, I received my SC-07 this afternoon. hooked it up and haven't run the MCAAC, but still the clean sound is so obvious. My wife said this is a clean sound!! I still miss my 805, but ICE is awesome. I can understand why all the pros are vouching on this.
For those who are in the borderline, I would say just go for it. All I can say is it is an experience and I can't explain and it is not coming out of instant gratification..
I'll try following this and will give an update:
o HDMI Connect feature w/ my Samsung LCD and not sure if PS3 has the capability
o Run MCAAC
o test drive Media direct

Now, Mr President, Would the Club accept me as an official member?

yes,
you are now a member of the Official ICE club. Welcome aboard. I do require a review of your system and thougths.

Dan

olilugo

Hey Dan,

what do you consider lower end separates?

And were do you think the SC-07 could compete? specially if the separets are able to fix some of their bugs...

Rotel,
Marantz
NAD
B&K
Sunfire
Parasound
Arcam

On the fence:
Emotiva
Outlaw
Sherwood Newcastle

Hi-end:
Cary cinema
Anthem
Classe
Mcintosh
LINN
Jeff Rowland
Krell
Bel canto
Musical Fidelity

mantis

olilugo wrote: »

Hey Dan,

what do you consider lower end separates?

And were do you think the SC-07 could compete? specially if the separets are able to fix some of their bugs...

Rotel,
Marantz
NAD
B&K
Sunfire
Parasound
Arcam

On the fence:
Emotiva
Outlaw
Sherwood Newcastle

Hi-end:
Cary cinema
Anthem
Classe
Mcintosh
LINN
Jeff Rowland
Krell
Bel canto
Musical Fidelity

Well there are a lot of things to consider when comparing a receiver to low end seperates. First off the Sc-07 is not rated to handle 4 ohm loads. It can but it's not rated to do so. So there is a huge negitive for me to compare lets say the new 15 series Rotels. These receiver are rated to handle 4 ohm loads and double there power. This indicated better amp builds and stronger power supplies. This is the very basis of a good high end product like Rotel.
Sound quality wise if 6 to 8 ohm load speakers are used, I think the Sc-07 can compete with NAD , ROTEL , Marantz , Adcom, Denon , Integra , Yamaha ,etc. I think Pioneer for what they cost retail at 2200.00 for this receiver( I base everything off retail not deals). I think it's a winner.

Now what really to for me sets the SC-07 apart from Rotel is they work. Rotel has been slipping as of late in my opinion and has let me personally down. I would not own the Pioneer if Rotel got the rap1069 right. The 1570 looks a lot better and has internal processing but is still very flawed and has had firmware upgrades to fix what should have worked out of the gate.

Today I feel a lot different about high end products. Money had a lot to do with it. When your working with less , it's hard to build a high quality system unless you know synergy. I have learned over the years. Today I would not own Krell or anything of that price class. I feel I can achieve my level of sonic heaven without breaking the bank. I even decided to step off my Dynaudio path and go another route. Dyanudio make killer speakers but I simply can't afford to case that dream anymore. So I decided to find a new route and find speakers more suited for me. I found that in Definitive Technology Mythos. The bang for the buck is straight threw the roof.

Now back to the SC-07. Even at full price, this receiver packs a killer punch. I feel it sound remarkable. When you have a speaker package that matches it like DEf tech , Polk , Paradigm etc it makes magic. I have been fully blown away by a SC-05 and a full Mythos sts speaker package. I found my slice of home theate and music heaven.

Now also having a full HDMI digtal streaming system with high end DAC's in the Wolfson and the ability to listen to a Ipod lossless Apple and it sound as good a cd player is remarkable. I hope others are trying this out as it's amazing. You look at a nice cd player and then look at a little Ipod it does against every single Audiophile bone in my body and maybe a few in others but it performs and performs with added features a cd player simply can not give you. Digital music is the way to go and this connection digital USB just tips the scale in the SC-07 favor against a product like the Rotel 15 series. It has MCACC which Rotel has nothing. It is THX certified which to alot of you mean nothing but means a lot to me. As a professional, I will take any tools that can aid me in make myself or my customers experience better. I'd rather have it and not need it.

The SC-07 will and does have trouble for 2 channel listening against products like NAD , ROTEL and B&K a they are a slight step up the chain. If Pioneer made a tad bit better amp like the ones in the Rotel, then they would not have any leg to stand on. NONE. But even with the given facts, the SC-07 is a true winner to me. I love the thing and would not take any the other products out there. I do however really like the Anthem but it costs so much more .And with the speaker package I want to run, I need no more power then the SC-07 can give. And if I decide I do need more, I will buy a Rotel ICE amp. Allday everyday. I will not go back to the older style amps. ICE amps proved to me that sonic ability can be achieved and in there still be green if that applies to todays terms.

Dan

Pedler

vijayl wrote: »

After a week of wait, I received my SC-07 this afternoon. hooked it up and haven't run the MCAAC, but still the clean sound is so obvious. My wife said this is a clean sound!! I still miss my 805, but ICE is awesome. I can understand why all the pros are vouching on this.
For those who are in the borderline, I would say just go for it. All I can say is it is an experience and I can't explain and it is not coming out of instant gratification..
I'll try following this and will give an update:
o HDMI Connect feature w/ my Samsung LCD and not sure if PS3 has the capability
o Run MCAAC
o test drive Media direct

Now, Mr President, Would the Club accept me as an official member?

What? I had to do the Secret hand shake and pick up coffee... and he gets in with an ok????
:eek:

vijayl, con-Grats on the Ice Club membership!!! Welcome aboard!

Pedler

Mantis,
Have you had a chance to install Tannoy's and the SC-07/05 together?

Just curious as WhatHIFI calls it a good match... and if you have what did you think compared to the Definitive Technology Mythos?

vijayl

Pedler wrote: »

What? I had to do the Secret hand shake and pick up coffee...

Thanks Pedler, u got a good deal, for me it cost some Mojitos

mantis wrote: »

yes,
you are now a member of the Official ICE club. Welcome aboard. I do require a review of your system and thougths.

Dan

Will def post my review after I take care of uncle Sam...:eek:

mantis

Pedler wrote: »

Mantis,
Have you had a chance to install Tannoy's and the SC-07/05 together?

Just curious as WhatHIFI calls it a good match... and if you have what did you think compared to the Definitive Technology Mythos?

No, I have not installed a Tannoy product in years. Everywhere I have worked for did not carry Tannoy products. I have had the pleasure of Installing customers exsisting Tannoy speakers and I remember liking them a lot. We used a b&K avr307 back then on that system with a Mitsubishi 73 Diamond RP TV.

As far as the Definitive Technology Mythos speakers, they are probably not for everyone. I personally like them for many reasons as I find them to play double duty better then most others. Some speakers to me sound fantastic with music but suck when it comes to movies. Then there are speakers that do movies very well and suck at music.
All speakers can do both but how well is the question. Mythos speakers can do both very well. I could build a 2 channel Mythos rig only and be very happy. I also could do the same for a theater setup. But having the ability to do both with one system is very desirable to many people. Some of us don't have the money or space to build 2 systems. So Mythos fits my needs perfectly.

Dan

leroyjr1

Mantis

Do you like the new RTI series speakers?

mantis

leroyjr1 wrote: »

Mantis

Do you like the new RTI series speakers?

Yes I do . I think they are the very best polk has offered in that line. Great double duty speakers that can be driven off a receiver. Pioneer Elite and rt go together extremely well. Very nice. Not to mention price to performance is excellent. I'd rather have them then most other speakers in that price class.

Dan

Pedler

mantis wrote: »

No, I have not installed a Tannoy product in years. Everywhere I have worked for did not carry Tannoy products. I have had the pleasure of Installing customers exsisting Tannoy speakers and I remember liking them a lot. We used a b&K avr307 back then on that system with a Mitsubishi 73 Diamond RP TV.

As far as the Definitive Technology Mythos speakers, they are probably not for everyone. I personally like them for many reasons as I find them to play double duty better then most others. Some speakers to me sound fantastic with music but suck when it comes to movies. Then there are speakers that do movies very well and suck at music.
All speakers can do both but how well is the question. Mythos speakers can do both very well. I could build a 2 channel Mythos rig only and be very happy. I also could do the same for a theater setup. But having the ability to do both with one system is very desirable to many people. Some of us don't have the money or space to build 2 systems. So Mythos fits my needs perfectly.

Dan

Thanks Mantis,

I will add myself as one of those that want to do double duty. I guess I never thought of the Definitive Technology Mythos speakers before.
I will try to have a listen to them. Right now I am happy but... you know you always wonder... what is out there that is better.

WhatHIFI puts the Tannoy Revolution with the SC-07 but they have a totally different system for 2 channel which like you said shows that they are not as concerned in doing double duty. Then again I wondered if it would be capable.

Thanks
Pedler

olilugo

mantis wrote: »

Well there are a lot of things to consider when comparing a receiver to low end seperates. First off the Sc-07 is not rated to handle 4 ohm loads. It can but it's not rated to do so. So there is a huge negitive for me to compare lets say the new 15 series Rotels. These receiver are rated to handle 4 ohm loads and double there power. This indicated better amp builds and stronger power supplies. This is the very basis of a good high end product like Rotel.
Sound quality wise if 6 to 8 ohm load speakers are used, I think the Sc-07 can compete with NAD , ROTEL , Marantz , Adcom, Denon , Integra , Yamaha ,etc. I think Pioneer for what they cost retail at 2200.00 for this receiver( I base everything off retail not deals). I think it's a winner.

Now what really to for me sets the SC-07 apart from Rotel is they work. Rotel has been slipping as of late in my opinion and has let me personally down. I would not own the Pioneer if Rotel got the rap1069 right. The 1570 looks a lot better and has internal processing but is still very flawed and has had firmware upgrades to fix what should have worked out of the gate.

Today I feel a lot different about high end products. Money had a lot to do with it. When your working with less , it's hard to build a high quality system unless you know synergy. I have learned over the years. Today I would not own Krell or anything of that price class. I feel I can achieve my level of sonic heaven without breaking the bank. I even decided to step off my Dynaudio path and go another route. Dyanudio make killer speakers but I simply can't afford to case that dream anymore. So I decided to find a new route and find speakers more suited for me. I found that in Definitive Technology Mythos. The bang for the buck is straight threw the roof.

Now back to the SC-07. Even at full price, this receiver packs a killer punch. I feel it sound remarkable. When you have a speaker package that matches it like DEf tech , Polk , Paradigm etc it makes magic. I have been fully blown away by a SC-05 and a full Mythos sts speaker package. I found my slice of home theate and music heaven.

Now also having a full HDMI digtal streaming system with high end DAC's in the Wolfson and the ability to listen to a Ipod lossless Apple and it sound as good a cd player is remarkable. I hope others are trying this out as it's amazing. You look at a nice cd player and then look at a little Ipod it does against every single Audiophile bone in my body and maybe a few in others but it performs and performs with added features a cd player simply can not give you. Digital music is the way to go and this connection digital USB just tips the scale in the SC-07 favor against a product like the Rotel 15 series. It has MCACC which Rotel has nothing. It is THX certified which to alot of you mean nothing but means a lot to me. As a professional, I will take any tools that can aid me in make myself or my customers experience better. I'd rather have it and not need it.

The SC-07 will and does have trouble for 2 channel listening against products like NAD , ROTEL and B&K a they are a slight step up the chain. If Pioneer made a tad bit better amp like the ones in the Rotel, then they would not have any leg to stand on. NONE. But even with the given facts, the SC-07 is a true winner to me. I love the thing and would not take any the other products out there. I do however really like the Anthem but it costs so much more .And with the speaker package I want to run, I need no more power then the SC-07 can give. And if I decide I do need more, I will buy a Rotel ICE amp. Allday everyday. I will not go back to the older style amps. ICE amps proved to me that sonic ability can be achieved and in there still be green if that applies to todays terms.

Dan

As always Thanks Dan!

ckphoto

I just got my SC-05 Friday I have a quick question for the SC-07 owners do you have a phono input? When I was comparing the SC-05 and SC-07 specs online it does not but if you look at the rear photo it shows it there. If it does not have it why would they have removed it from the higher model.

Toolfan66

My SC 07 has the phono input, and i use it.

ckphoto

TOOLFORLIFEFAN wrote: »

My SC 07 has the phono input, and i use it.

I thought it might be a mistake on there site

Sherardp

Have it on my SC-07 and dont use it. Sadly I only use 1 HDMI out --> to projector, and 3 HDMI inputs( BD, HD DVD, XBox 360), CD input over analog, and IC cables to the external amps. Clean as a whistle back there.

cnh

Ok guys,

I don't own a Pioneer Ice-amp (I do have, among a lot of other equipment) a second generation panny class D receiver that got some pretty good reviews back in the day).

But that's not the point. I just picked up the May copy of Home Theater Mag. and they have a review of the Pioneer Elite SC-07 in there. I haven't read it yet...but I skimmed through and it looks good....also some bench tests for power. I'll get back with a brief summary of all this once I get to the article later today.

In the meantime...enjoy the ICE!

cnh

Sherardp

cnh wrote: »

Ok guys,


But that's not the point. I just picked up the May copy of Home Theater Mag. and they have a review of the Pioneer Elite SC-07 in there. I haven't read it yet...but I skimmed through and it looks good....also some bench tests for power. I'll get back with a brief summary of all this once I get to the article later today.

In the meantime...enjoy the ICE!

cnh

Also found here

http://hometheatermag.com/receivers/pioneer_elite_sc-07_av_receiver/

cnh

I should've known you ICE-guys were one 'cube' ahead of me!

Well I'm off to my hard copy.

cnh

iskandam

I have this TV stand and the only space the SC-05 would fit is the bottom rack



That would leave me all of 2 mm of space between the top of the -05 and the mid-shelf. As you can see the front, back, and sides are completely open. Is this going to provide enough ventilation?

vijayl

It shud be ok in my opinion. Try it out and if u find it over-heating, u can install one of these behind the AVR (near the top of the AVR)
If ur AVR doesn't have a power out - http://www.activethermal.com/System_3.htm
If ur AVR does have a power out - http://www.coolerguys.com/ac120vfans.html

Rocco1

I dont own any ICE amps, but i was wondering is the new 9.2 system the way to go?

Is this where the future of surround sound is going?

Sherardp

Rocco1 wrote: »

I dont own any ICE amps, but i was wondering is the new 9.2 system the way to go?

Is this where the future of surround sound is going?

I would'nt get to worried over it yet Rocco. There's not much 7.1 media out yet, yet alone 9.2 so I think you're good there.

mantis

I had 7.1 when it came out. I went back to 5.1 and don't miss anything. Right now only games are using the technology and there isn't anything out I know of yet. It's another pair of speakers in your room. Yamaha has done front effects for years and hardly no one used it including myself.

Even 7.1 there is not many titles recorded in this format.

Dan

ckphoto

Is there a initial volume setting on the 05/07 to set the volume level when powered on?

kevhed72

Has ANYONE had the HDMI switching go to the blank black screen on its own?
My SC-05 will nromally take a second or 2 to switch from one source or another (which I am assuming is normal). When the switching takes place, I get a black screen with a green vertical line on the very far left end of the screen - I have always assumed this green line is just a function of the actual HDMI cable and it just takes a sec. to switch sources.

My concern lately is occassionally the receiver will switch to this screen in the middle of a DVR - fed TV broadcast on its own. I have never seen this happen with the other inputs...ie Wii or BD player. (On a side note, my DVR is a basic RCA TIVO that is 5 + years old and connected via a s-video cable to the sc-05). Anyone else see this on their sc-05 / sc-07?