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  • LuSh
    LuSh Posts: 887
    edited April 2009
    I would recommend those doing home theater to fore-go the entire center channel process...very few designs are adequate, in fact you might opt for a single rear channel speaker and use it for your center.

    I personally use a 2.0 system but have built many 4.1 systems. As you move up the chain with speakers you will find that some designs are simply too revealing for cinema use or sound too muted or colored. It's a fine line.
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  • zx_toth
    zx_toth Posts: 417
    edited April 2009
    I purchased my LSi speakers with the intent of getting rid of that 'mushy' sound I was getting out of my DVDs with the Polk RM series. I wanted more detail and sound quality at higher volume levels. I certainly have crisp, detailed sound now from my Lsi's and Bluray combination that makes me happy I went down this road.

    As a side benefit I found early on that the LSis did great things with music as was evident when I couldnt stop listening to Louis Armstrong's "What a wonderful world" when I finally got my Rotel 1080 hooked up to them ... and that was with my crappy Sony DVD player as a CD player as well.

    Zsolt
    My Home Theater Rig
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  • danz1906
    danz1906 Posts: 5,144
    edited April 2009
    LuSh wrote: »
    I would recommend those doing home theater to fore-go the entire center channel process...very few designs are adequate, in fact you might opt for a single rear channel speaker and use it for your center.

    I personally use a 2.0 system but have built many 4.1 systems. As you move up the chain with speakers you will find that some designs are simply too revealing for cinema use or sound too muted or colored. It's a fine line.

    How about the same speakers across the front?
    Linn AV5140 fronts
    Linn AV5120 Center
    Linn AV5140 Rears
    M&K MX-70 Sub for Music
    Odyssey Mono-Blocs
    SVS Ultra-13 Gloss Black:D
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  • lightman1
    lightman1 Posts: 10,794
    edited April 2009
    Ne'er shall 2Ch and HT mix.
    Al?
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  • zx_toth
    zx_toth Posts: 417
    edited April 2009
    lightman1 wrote: »
    Ne'er shall 2Ch and HT mix.
    Al?

    Some of us, like myself, do not have the room to accomodate two seperate systems.

    I understand that having them seperate is best and in 5-10 years Im sure I will get a chance to purchase a home with additional rooms to allow for this. But for now Ill have to live with the 2-Ch/HT hybrid mix.

    Z
    My Home Theater Rig
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited April 2009
    It's not hard to put them together and get it right.
    "He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche
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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,208
    edited April 2009
    Ron Temple wrote: »
    Any speaker that handles dynamics well is going to be just fine for HT, but some dynamic HT speakers aren't very subtle and struggle with various types of music. My system is a dual purpose rig and I've gone through various stages of development. I wouldn't put anything in the rig that couldn't pass the music first test, but they need to be extremely dynamic HT speaks too, for my satisfaction.

    In my travels, I found music first speakers to not be as good as theater as very dynamic theater speakers. I noticed a few things about theater speakers that music speakers simply do not do. I hate it 2 as I would really like to keep my speakers I own now but they simply do not cut it for me with movies only due to the lack of the last word in dynamic range. Even with my last amp RMB1095, I always felt for movies I was missing something. Detail and clarity was never a question. I felt in a lot of ways they where perfectly detailed and I could hear everything, even light details in the background came through , but when it was time to get busy, they kinda hung out and did a little.

    Music on the other hand which still puzzles me, is explosive and dynamic. A good jazz or classic piece explodes with clarity and soft to high dynamics are amazing. I don't get it. I once felt as you do. I assumed very high quality music speakers would perform theater better then theater speakers. I am learning I was wrong.

    Dan
    Dan
    My personal quest is to save to world of bad audio, one thread at a time.
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  • Ron Temple
    Ron Temple Posts: 3,212
    edited April 2009
    mantis wrote: »
    In my travels, I found music first speakers to not be as good as theater as very dynamic theater speakers. I noticed a few things about theater speakers that music speakers simply do not do. I hate it 2 as I would really like to keep my speakers I own now but they simply do not cut it for me with movies only due to the lack of the last word in dynamic range. Even with my last amp RMB1095, I always felt for movies I was missing something. Detail and clarity was never a question. I felt in a lot of ways they where perfectly detailed and I could hear everything, even light details in the background came through , but when it was time to get busy, they kinda hung out and did a little.

    Music on the other hand which still puzzles me, is explosive and dynamic. A good jazz or classic piece explodes with clarity and soft to high dynamics are amazing. I don't get it. I once felt as you do. I assumed very high quality music speakers would perform theater better then theater speakers. I am learning I was wrong.

    Dan
    You're right, not every speaker that's that's the snizzle for music applications can handle the dynamics of HT as well as some. You've listened to way more rigs than I have and can probably name the culprits. However, I've heard a few that can handle the subtlety of the softest jazz and still handle the dynamic transients of HT without a hiccup. That's why you have to listen. I was using RTis and quite happy with them for HT and just ok with them for music. I was headed for a Danny Ritchie design, his GR Research kit speakers, until I heard SDAs. A buddy has a matched 5pc AV-2 rig that's multipurpose which I've always been impressed with for both applications. I probably would have gotten one of his larger designs, but fate stepped in. Then I forgot about them.

    Combo rig:

    Onkyo NR1007 pre-pro, Carver TFM 45(fronts), Carver TFM 35 (surrounds)
    SDA 1C, CS400i, SDA 2B
    PB13Ultra RO
    BW Silvers
    Oppo BDP-83SE
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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,208
    edited April 2009
    Ron Temple wrote: »
    You're right, not every speaker that's that's the snizzle for music applications can handle the dynamics of HT as well as some. You've listened to way more rigs than I have and can probably name the culprits. However, I've heard a few that can handle the subtlety of the softest jazz and still handle the dynamic transients of HT without a hiccup. That's why you have to listen. I was using RTis and quite happy with them for HT and just ok with them for music. I was headed for a Danny Ritchie design, his GR Research kit speakers, until I heard SDAs. A buddy has a matched 5pc AV-2 rig that's multipurpose which I've always been impressed with for both applications. I probably would have gotten one of his larger designs, but fate stepped in. Then I forgot about them.

    yes I agree with you on the Rti thing. They are truly great for theater but for music I want a lot more.

    I have found my double duty speakers in the Definitive Technology Mythos St series. They are completely kick **** for both Duties. If I had 2 I would use them in a dedicated 2 channel rig or a dedicated theater rig. I feel this is one of those speakers that can do no wrong and so many things right. I'm so excited to get them. I got to get off my **** and get my Dynaudio rig sold. I have not pushed to move them. I gotta get them on the gon and ebay.

    Dan
    Dan
    My personal quest is to save to world of bad audio, one thread at a time.
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  • danz1906
    danz1906 Posts: 5,144
    edited April 2009
    mantis wrote: »
    yes I agree with you on the Rti thing. They are truly great for theater but for music I want a lot more.

    I have found my double duty speakers in the Definitive Technology Mythos St series. They are completely kick **** for both Duties. If I had 2 I would use them in a dedicated 2 channel rig or a dedicated theater rig. I feel this is one of those speakers that can do no wrong and so many things right. I'm so excited to get them. I got to get off my **** and get my Dynaudio rig sold. I have not pushed to move them. I gotta get them on the gon and ebay.

    Dan

    Its a great thing when you can find a speaker that can do both.
    I also agree on the RTi thing for HT and not Music.
    I find that my LINN AV5140 do both Music and HT very Well.
    The Linn speakers are extra special with Music:D
    Linn AV5140 fronts
    Linn AV5120 Center
    Linn AV5140 Rears
    M&K MX-70 Sub for Music
    Odyssey Mono-Blocs
    SVS Ultra-13 Gloss Black:D
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  • Erik Tracy
    Erik Tracy Posts: 4,673
    edited April 2009
    Gotta disagree on the RTi /= music.

    I've got my RTiA3s dialed in with some really nice system synergy for music.

    In Pure Direct with my external amp and sub (AQ ICs and Kimber speaker cables) - wow...clean, clear, dynamic, spacious, responsive.

    But then again, admittedly I'm in the ground top sirloin section - not the prime filet mignon....;)

    H9: If you don't trust what you are hearing, then maybe you need to be less invested in a hobby which all the pleasure comes from listening to music.
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  • danz1906
    danz1906 Posts: 5,144
    edited April 2009
    Erik Tracy wrote: »
    Gotta disagree on the RTi /= music.

    I've got my RTiA3s dialed in with some really nice system synergy for music.

    In Pure Direct with my external amp and sub (AQ ICs and Kimber speaker cables) - wow...clean, clear, dynamic, spacious, responsive.

    But then again, admittedly I'm in the ground top sirloin section - not the prime filet mignon....;)

    Its all about the SYNERGY, when the components and speakers are on
    the same page its a beautiful thing:D
    Linn AV5140 fronts
    Linn AV5120 Center
    Linn AV5140 Rears
    M&K MX-70 Sub for Music
    Odyssey Mono-Blocs
    SVS Ultra-13 Gloss Black:D
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  • danz1906
    danz1906 Posts: 5,144
    edited April 2009
    Agreed, I think that the Room plays a huge part in your system.
    Linn AV5140 fronts
    Linn AV5120 Center
    Linn AV5140 Rears
    M&K MX-70 Sub for Music
    Odyssey Mono-Blocs
    SVS Ultra-13 Gloss Black:D
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  • danz1906
    danz1906 Posts: 5,144
    edited August 2009
    I find that my Linn Speakers are very good Double Duty speakers,
    they excel on both Movies and Music.
    But they are Magical on Music;)
    Linn AV5140 fronts
    Linn AV5120 Center
    Linn AV5140 Rears
    M&K MX-70 Sub for Music
    Odyssey Mono-Blocs
    SVS Ultra-13 Gloss Black:D
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  • Conradicles
    Conradicles Posts: 6,143
    edited August 2009
    Nice speakers...good luck with the sale.
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  • danz1906
    danz1906 Posts: 5,144
    edited August 2009
    Conradicles wrote: »
    Nice speakers...good luck with the sale.

    Not for Sale yet;)
    Linn AV5140 fronts
    Linn AV5120 Center
    Linn AV5140 Rears
    M&K MX-70 Sub for Music
    Odyssey Mono-Blocs
    SVS Ultra-13 Gloss Black:D
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  • danz1906
    danz1906 Posts: 5,144
    edited August 2009
    I like the Linn speakers so much on Movies and Music that Im looking for
    a pair for the rear channel.:)
    Linn AV5140 fronts
    Linn AV5120 Center
    Linn AV5140 Rears
    M&K MX-70 Sub for Music
    Odyssey Mono-Blocs
    SVS Ultra-13 Gloss Black:D
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  • gavn8r
    gavn8r Posts: 53
    edited August 2009
    Music. Two channel geek here.
    mitcables.com
    audioevo.org/mitcables
    twitter.com/mitcables
    facebook.com/morethanjustcables
    youtube.com/mitcables
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  • blueboxer
    blueboxer Posts: 621
    edited August 2009
    I went with my Mythos ST for primarily HT duty downstairs, but they are great for music as well, well at least for entertaining and filling the downstairs with very full and detailed music. Upstairs I started with my Paradigm Studio 100's and 690 upstairs for more DVD-A and SACD listening along with some HT duty.
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  • danz1906
    danz1906 Posts: 5,144
    edited August 2009
    blueboxer wrote: »
    I went with my Mythos ST for primarily HT duty downstairs, but they are great for music as well, well at least for entertaining and filling the downstairs with very full and detailed music. Upstairs I started with my Paradigm Studio 100's and 690 upstairs for more DVD-A and SACD listening along with some HT duty.

    Very nice systems, the Studio 100s are awesome.
    Linn AV5140 fronts
    Linn AV5120 Center
    Linn AV5140 Rears
    M&K MX-70 Sub for Music
    Odyssey Mono-Blocs
    SVS Ultra-13 Gloss Black:D
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,136
    edited August 2009
    I have a dedicated two channel room. I use my living room for HT.
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  • danz1906
    danz1906 Posts: 5,144
    edited August 2009
    Thats a serious 2ch system, how do you like the Raysonic CD168?
    Linn AV5140 fronts
    Linn AV5120 Center
    Linn AV5140 Rears
    M&K MX-70 Sub for Music
    Odyssey Mono-Blocs
    SVS Ultra-13 Gloss Black:D
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  • speakergeek
    speakergeek Posts: 555
    edited August 2009
    60% music 40% movies.
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  • lumpy
    lumpy Posts: 113
    edited August 2009
    I used mostly movie material to audition speakers, but I was also looking at receivers at the same time. I think that making good use of my receiver makes a huge differnece when going from movies to music.

    before I bought my current speatker is was movies 80 / music 20 - now I am music 80 / movies 20
    pop

    media room: Lsi25 mains driven by an audiosource amp300, LSi9's driven by another amp300, LsiC drivin by an audiosourcAmp200, Lsi7 rear channels driven by receiver - Yamaha 863, Panamax 5300, epson 6100 w/ 106" elite cinatension2 screen, HPz555 media center, oppo 980, techniques SLbd3 turntable,xbox and ps3,

    living room: VM30 mains driven by a niles 2125, VM20 center and VM10 surrounds, velodyne dsp10, yamaha rxv661, cambridge audio dvd89, panamax5300, philips 42" plasma
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,136
    edited August 2009
    danz1906 wrote: »
    Thats a serious 2ch system, how do you like the Raysonic CD168?

    Thanks, I love it especially since I rolled some Jan NOS tubes into it. It gives my TT a run for its money.
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  • obieone
    obieone Posts: 5,077
    edited August 2009
    Originally bought an RM10 5.1 system for HT, but have made all upgrades for music purpose only. 90% music, 10% ht.
    I refuse to argue with idiots, because people can't tell the DIFFERENCE!
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  • Barefoot
    Barefoot Posts: 149
    edited August 2009
    Music first. Always music first.
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  • danz1906
    danz1906 Posts: 5,144
    edited August 2009
    Barefoot wrote: »
    Music first. Always music first.

    Music First agreed, but Hi-rez HT(blu-ray) is very good also;)
    Linn AV5140 fronts
    Linn AV5120 Center
    Linn AV5140 Rears
    M&K MX-70 Sub for Music
    Odyssey Mono-Blocs
    SVS Ultra-13 Gloss Black:D
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  • Bernal
    Bernal Posts: 991
    edited August 2009
    danz1906 wrote: »
    Did you pick your Speakers for Music, Movies or Both?

    1) The Chris Botti-Live Blue Ray concert is very Musical.
    2) Music First agreed, but Oppo BDP-83 (Blu-ray Disc Player) is excelent also


    01) DENON AVR-4308CI: Avanzada 7,1 CH/5.1 2 CH / 3.1 +2 +2 CH A / V Home Theater / MultiMedia Multi-Source/Zone Receptor con funciones de red y WiFi/170 vatios x 7 canales:D
    02) SUNFIRE Signature Grand - Bob Carver:D
    03) OPPO DV-980H-1080p Universal conversi
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  • danz1906
    danz1906 Posts: 5,144
    edited August 2009
    Bernal wrote: »
    1) The Chris Botti-Live Blue Ray concert is very Musical.
    2) Music First agreed, but Oppo BDP-83 (Blu-ray Disc Player) is excelent also


    01) DENON AVR-4308CI: Avanzada 7,1 CH/5.1 2 CH / 3.1 +2 +2 CH A / V Home Theater / MultiMedia Multi-Source/Zone Receptor con funciones de red y WiFi/170 vatios x 7 canales:D
    02) SUNFIRE Signature Grand - Bob Carver:D
    03) OPPO DV-980H-1080p Universal conversi
    Linn AV5140 fronts
    Linn AV5120 Center
    Linn AV5140 Rears
    M&K MX-70 Sub for Music
    Odyssey Mono-Blocs
    SVS Ultra-13 Gloss Black:D
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