Bi-wire

bdtae5656
bdtae5656 Posts: 235
edited March 2009 in Basic Hookup/Wiring Questions
Im looking for some Bi-wire for my center channel speaker.....its not cheap the places I've looked, or where it is at a good price its way to long. Please give me some help on finding an awesome pair of Bi-wires that wont break the bank.
Thanks,
TV:Sony Bravia XBR4 52'
Mains: Lsi m 705
C:Lsi m 706
Rears: Lsi m 703
Sub: Epik Empire
Pre:Marantz AV 7005
Amp:Sunfire TGA-7400
Blueray: Opp 93
A/V Component: Panamax M5100-PM
Cables: Signal Cable, White Zombie, MIT, Pepster's power cables
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  • TNRabbit
    TNRabbit Posts: 2,168
    edited March 2009
    Don't waste your time unless you plan to bi-AMP.

    http://www.monoprice.com

    has great wire/connectors/ICs/etc. at a great price.
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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,329
    edited March 2009
    So to bi-amp i would need another amp (a matching one right? in my case XPA-3) another set of matching IC's, a matching set of speaker wire (same length) and Y connectors for the back of my receiver? Not that i am going to do this just curious if i understand this correctly.
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  • fbm211
    fbm211 Posts: 1,488
    edited March 2009
    correct
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  • metal83
    metal83 Posts: 1,219
    edited March 2009
    I thought you could do this with the same amp as well, as long as you have the free channels to use.
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  • TNRabbit
    TNRabbit Posts: 2,168
    edited March 2009
    Yes, basically. You need channels, doesn't matter if it's same amp or a different amp. It's still the same concept.
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    Ashly 1001 Active Crossover
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  • LessisNevermore
    LessisNevermore Posts: 1,519
    edited March 2009
    There seems to be a lot of Bi-curious threads here lately.:p:D
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  • bdtae5656
    bdtae5656 Posts: 235
    edited March 2009
    TNRabbit wrote: »
    Don't waste your time unless you plan to bi-AMP.

    http://www.monoprice.com

    has great wire/connectors/ICs/etc. at a great price.

    So there's not much difference without the extra amp when Bi-wiring???? I was looking to buy a small/meduim size amp to hook up to the center channel along with my AVR354
    TV:Sony Bravia XBR4 52'
    Mains: Lsi m 705
    C:Lsi m 706
    Rears: Lsi m 703
    Sub: Epik Empire
    Pre:Marantz AV 7005
    Amp:Sunfire TGA-7400
    Blueray: Opp 93
    A/V Component: Panamax M5100-PM
    Cables: Signal Cable, White Zombie, MIT, Pepster's power cables
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 33,000
    edited March 2009
    bdtae5656 wrote: »
    So there's not much difference without the extra amp when Bi-wiring???? I was looking to buy a small/meduim size amp to hook up to the center channel along with my AVR354

    Ok,I gotta ask.........why do you only want to amp the center?? You would be better off to amp the front 3 speakers for better sound,if thats the goal.
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  • bdtae5656
    bdtae5656 Posts: 235
    edited March 2009
    tonyb wrote: »
    Ok,I gotta ask.........why do you only want to amp the center?? You would be better off to amp the front 3 speakers for better sound,if thats the goal.

    Whats a good amp to use.....My front speakers are just bose cubes and the center is a Polk LSI w/ a HK AVR354 75 watts per channel
    TV:Sony Bravia XBR4 52'
    Mains: Lsi m 705
    C:Lsi m 706
    Rears: Lsi m 703
    Sub: Epik Empire
    Pre:Marantz AV 7005
    Amp:Sunfire TGA-7400
    Blueray: Opp 93
    A/V Component: Panamax M5100-PM
    Cables: Signal Cable, White Zombie, MIT, Pepster's power cables
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  • bdtae5656
    bdtae5656 Posts: 235
    edited March 2009
    TNRabbit wrote: »
    Don't waste your time unless you plan to bi-AMP.

    http://www.monoprice.com

    has great wire/connectors/ICs/etc. at a great price.

    I didnt see any Bi-wire on this page???
    TV:Sony Bravia XBR4 52'
    Mains: Lsi m 705
    C:Lsi m 706
    Rears: Lsi m 703
    Sub: Epik Empire
    Pre:Marantz AV 7005
    Amp:Sunfire TGA-7400
    Blueray: Opp 93
    A/V Component: Panamax M5100-PM
    Cables: Signal Cable, White Zombie, MIT, Pepster's power cables
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  • BjornB17
    BjornB17 Posts: 752
    edited March 2009
    LessisNevermore wrote: »
    There seems to be a lot of Bi-curious threads here lately.:p:D

    Sounds like you are projecting yourself.:eek:
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  • BjornB17
    BjornB17 Posts: 752
    edited March 2009
    bdtae5656 wrote: »
    I didnt see any Bi-wire on this page???

    I bought wires and interconnects at monoprice (good stuff and good price) and you probably won't find any "bi-wire" or "bi-amp" speaker wire. Just buy a reel of speaker wire, some banana plugs (or whatever you want to terminate them with.... or just leave it as bare wire). If bi-amping just connect 2 channels from amp to the dual terminals on your speakers and make sure to remove the jumper. Bi-wiring is basically a waste of time and serves the same effect as increasing the gauge of speaker wire. If you are already using 14 or 12 gauge wire then its not worth it.
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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,329
    edited March 2009
    So if i did bi-amp my A9's would i see a big change in the way they sound?
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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,329
    edited March 2009
    Is it worth it is what i want to know.
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    Cary SLP-05/Ultimate Upgrade.
    Cary SA-500.1 ES Amps
    Cary DMS 800PV Network
    OPPO UDP 205/ModWright Modification
    VPI Scout TT / Dynavector 20x2
    Jolida JD9 Fully Modified

    VPI MW-1 Cyclone RCM

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  • BjornB17
    BjornB17 Posts: 752
    edited March 2009
    TOOLFORLIFEFAN wrote: »
    Is it worth it is what i want to know.

    I see that you have an XPA-3 which already puts out a massive amount of juice. What would you bi-amp with?

    The differnce won't be huge.... you already have great speakers and a great amp. With my UPA-7 and RTi10's i noticed a difference that was worthwhile but your speakers and amp are even better so who knows what will happen.
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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,329
    edited March 2009
    BjornB17 wrote: »
    I see that you have an XPA-3 which already puts out a massive amount of juice. What would you bi-amp with?

    The differnce won't be huge.... you already have great speakers and a great amp. With my UPA-7 and RTi10's i noticed a difference that was worthwhile but your speakers and amp are even better so who knows what will happen.

    Well if i thought about doing it i would just add another XPA-3.
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    Cary SA-500.1 ES Amps
    Cary DMS 800PV Network
    OPPO UDP 205/ModWright Modification
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  • metal83
    metal83 Posts: 1,219
    edited March 2009
    TOOLFORLIFEFAN wrote: »
    Well if i thought about doing it i would just add another XPA-3.


    I'll sell you mine! :p
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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,329
    edited March 2009
    metal83 wrote: »
    I'll sell you mine! :p

    I am first in line.
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    Cary DMS 800PV Network
    OPPO UDP 205/ModWright Modification
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 33,000
    edited March 2009
    TOOLFORLIFEFAN wrote: »
    Is it worth it is what i want to know.


    In a word....no.
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  • BjornB17
    BjornB17 Posts: 752
    edited March 2009
    TOOLFORLIFEFAN wrote: »
    Well if i thought about doing it i would just add another XPA-3.

    You, sir, are insane :D In a good way, though.
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  • metal83
    metal83 Posts: 1,219
    edited March 2009
    TOOLFORLIFEFAN wrote: »
    I am first in line.

    I've seriously been debating on putting my XPA-3 in the classifieds for the past week.
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  • BjornB17
    BjornB17 Posts: 752
    edited March 2009
    metal83 wrote: »
    I've seriously been debating on putting my XPA-3 in the classifieds for the past week.

    whats wrong with it? Does this have anything to do with the "EMOTIVA STORY" thread??
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  • LessisNevermore
    LessisNevermore Posts: 1,519
    edited March 2009
    BjornB17 wrote: »
    Sounds like you are projecting yourself.:eek:

    Don't get your hopes up, I'll only break your heart.....;)

    :p:p:p
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  • metal83
    metal83 Posts: 1,219
    edited March 2009
    BjornB17 wrote: »
    whats wrong with it? Does this have anything to do with the "EMOTIVA STORY" thread??

    Nope, there's absolutely nothing wrong with it.
    But this is my first Amp, and i sort of bought it on a whim.
    I'm very interested in trying something else, specifically, a Sunfire Amp.

    Don't get me wrong here, i think it sounds great. I'm just the type of person who doesn't settle easily so i need to hear something else. Plus, i enjoy buying new things! :p
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  • BjornB17
    BjornB17 Posts: 752
    edited March 2009
    LessisNevermore wrote: »
    Don't get your hopes up, I'll only break your heart.....;)

    :p:p:p

    Don't lie.... you know you're into bi-wiring even though you know it's a waste of time.
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  • BjornB17
    BjornB17 Posts: 752
    edited March 2009
    metal83 wrote: »
    Nope, there's absolutely nothing wrong with it.
    But this is my first Amp, and i sort of bought it on a whim.
    I'm very interested in trying something else, specifically, a Sunfire Amp.

    Don't get me wrong here, i think it sounds great. I'm just the type of person who doesn't settle easily so i need to hear something else. Plus, i enjoy buying new things! :p

    Feel free to send it my way.... i'll be sure to make good use of it :)
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  • metal83
    metal83 Posts: 1,219
    edited March 2009
    BjornB17 wrote: »
    Feel free to send it my way.... i'll be sure to make good use of it :)

    Feel free to send money first! :p:cool:
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  • BjornB17
    BjornB17 Posts: 752
    edited March 2009
    metal83 wrote: »
    Feel free to send money first! :p:cool:

    this deal is looking less and less tempting as time goes on.
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  • metal83
    metal83 Posts: 1,219
    edited March 2009
    BjornB17 wrote: »
    this deal is looking less and less tempting as time goes on.

    Haha...I'm not giving the freakin thing away! lol :p
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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,329
    edited March 2009
    tonyb wrote: »
    In a word....no.

    Then why do all these speakers have the option if NO? it has been done for years from what i understand. You would think if it was'nt worth it they would have done away with it. I just wish i had a way of tring it with out it costing so much.:p
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    OPPO UDP 205/ModWright Modification
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