SVS Subs

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  • bartimus
    bartimus Posts: 65
    edited February 2009
    Well, I bit the bullit and just ordered a new SVS PB13 Ultra in rosewood! I am really anxious to get it and try it out. My wife is gonna kill me when she finds out, but hey...it's only money right. Hoping someone hear can chime and give their opinion on this. I am sure it will work fine, but just looking to justify my new purchase!:D
    Main System:
    Sony DA6400ES Receiver, Sony BDPS500ES Blu-Ray
    Denon DRS810 3 Head Cassette Deck, Sony KDA60ES3000 60" HDTV ,Emotiva XPA 2 Powering the A9's, Monster Power HDP 2550, Monster Power AVS 2000 SS Voltage Stabilizer, Direct TV HDTV Receiver,Polk RTIA9 Towers:D, Polk CSIA4 Center:D, Klipsch RC51 Surrounds, SVS PB13 Ultra Sub, Monster Cables HDMI 1000 Cables, Monster Cables M Series Speaker Cables
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  • MikeC78
    MikeC78 Posts: 2,315
    edited February 2009
    Is this an upgrade from the Klipsch? I think you are going to be pleasantly suprised, let alone have the crap scared out of you. Congrats on the purchase!
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  • Ron Temple
    Ron Temple Posts: 3,212
    edited February 2009
    thsmith, speakergeek and I own this sub (there are a few others here too). It's a great choice, extremely high output, low extention and outstanding sound quality. Welcome to the club. Both Tracy and I replaced, at least, duals, speakergeek (croseiv) has dual U13s. You won't be disappointed and your enthusiasm will overcome the deathstare you'll get from the wife ;).

    Combo rig:

    Onkyo NR1007 pre-pro, Carver TFM 45(fronts), Carver TFM 35 (surrounds)
    SDA 1C, CS400i, SDA 2B
    PB13Ultra RO
    BW Silvers
    Oppo BDP-83SE
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  • speakergeek
    speakergeek Posts: 555
    edited February 2009
    bartimus wrote: »
    Well, I bit the bullit and just ordered a new SVS PB13 Ultra in rosewood! I am really anxious to get it and try it out. My wife is gonna kill me when she finds out, but hey...it's only money right. Hoping someone hear can chime and give their opinion on this. I am sure it will work fine, but just looking to justify my new purchase!:D

    I wanted two initially, but had to spread it out over a year, buying one and then another, so the wife wouldn't leave me....:D I love the Ultra and haven't been happier with an electronics purchase.

    I know you are going to love yours...
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  • thsmith
    thsmith Posts: 6,082
    edited February 2009
    To even consider needing 2 you most have a room greater than 6kcf. I have JUST 1 in my 4200 +1800cf room.

    Just don't need anything else. I love how I do not feel the need to tweak to get more out of it and I run in the 20hz mode. SOmeday I might get around to trying 15hz.
    Speakers: SDA-1C (most all the goodies)
    Preamp: Joule Electra LA-150 MKII SE
    Amp: Wright WPA 50-50 EAT KT88s
    Analog: Marantz TT-15S1 MBS Glider SL| Wright WPP100C Amperex BB 6er5 and 7316 & WPM-100 SUT
    Digital: Mac mini 2.3GHz dual-core i5 8g RAM 1.5 TB HDD Music Server Amarra (memory play) - USB - W4S DAC 2
    Cables: Mits S3 IC and Spk cables| PS Audio PCs
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  • cnh
    cnh Posts: 13,284
    edited February 2009
    speakergeek wrote: »
    I wanted two initially, but had to spread it out over a year, buying one and then another, so the wife wouldn't leave me....:D I love the Ultra and haven't been happier with an electronics purchase.

    I know you are going to love yours...

    Aren't wives great! It's almost like they're deprogrammed for AUDIO at some center before you even get married!

    The refrain...'what do 'we' need THAT for?'

    Enjoy.....then get a hotel room for a night!

    cnh
    Currently orbiting Bowie's Blackstar.!

    Polk Lsi-7s, Def Tech 8" sub, HK 3490, HK HD 990 (CDP/DAC), AKG Q701s
    [sig. changed on a monthly basis as I rotate in and out of my stash]
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  • Sherardp
    Sherardp Posts: 8,038
    edited February 2009
    Youre in for a real treat, congrats.
    Shoot the jumper.....................BALLIN.............!!!!!

    Home Theater Pics in the Showcase :cool:

    http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showcase/view.php?userid=73580
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  • comfortablycurt
    comfortablycurt Posts: 6,745
    edited February 2009
    Anyone have any experience with the SVS PB12-NSD?

    That's the sub that I'm really leaning towards for my HT setup. With a 325 watt BASH amp and a 12" driver, with extension down to 18 hz +/- 3dB, it seems like a hard sub to beat in it's price point of about 665 shipped.

    Anyone here tried one before?
    The nirvana inducer-
    APC H10 Power Conditioner
    Marantz UD5005 universal player
    Parasound Halo P5 preamp
    Parasound HCA-1200II power amp
    PolkAudio LSi9's/PolkAudio SDA 2A's/PolkAudio Monitor 7A's
    Audioquest Speaker Cables and IC's
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  • comfortablycurt
    comfortablycurt Posts: 6,745
    edited February 2009
    Keiko wrote: »
    19 trips to the PLaSMa CeNTeR Curt and it's yours! :p

    lol!...Of course. I've almost got enough PlAsMa CeNtEr money saved up for my next upgrade though!!:D

    I'm not going to be getting a new sub for a while though either way...just looking at some prospective future upgrades. A sub for the HT setup won't be coming around until I've got the rest of my HT speakers, and have the 2 ch. rig set up. Probably not until early next year, so it's going to be a little while yet.
    The nirvana inducer-
    APC H10 Power Conditioner
    Marantz UD5005 universal player
    Parasound Halo P5 preamp
    Parasound HCA-1200II power amp
    PolkAudio LSi9's/PolkAudio SDA 2A's/PolkAudio Monitor 7A's
    Audioquest Speaker Cables and IC's
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  • Sherardp
    Sherardp Posts: 8,038
    edited February 2009
    comfortablycurt wrote: »
    lol!...Of course. I've almost got enough PlAsMa CeNtEr money saved up for my next upgrade though!!:D

    I'm not going to be getting a new sub for a while though either way...just looking at some prospective future upgrades. A sub for the HT setup won't be coming around until I've got the rest of my HT speakers, and have the 2 ch. rig set up. Probably not until early next year, so it's going to be a little while yet.

    If you're in no hurry to buy, take it up a notch and go for the new PB12 plus.
    Shoot the jumper.....................BALLIN.............!!!!!

    Home Theater Pics in the Showcase :cool:

    http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showcase/view.php?userid=73580
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  • Strong Bad
    Strong Bad Posts: 4,278
    edited February 2009
    I've been rocking with the PC-Ultra for about 2 years now. The thing is an amazing beast in every way. Highly recommended!
    No excuses!
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  • comfortablycurt
    comfortablycurt Posts: 6,745
    edited February 2009
    Sherardp wrote: »
    If you're in no hurry to buy, take it up a notch and go for the new PB12 plus.

    That's another option I've been considering. A new sub won't be coming along for a while yet, so I've still got some time to decide. I still have to get my RTi setup for the HT, and I'm also in the midst of setting up a 2 ch. rig, so the sub won't be coming along until after that. Probably not until the middle of next year or so. The PB12 Plus is definitely another option, though it does cost about 400-500 more IIRC. I might be able to swing that though, time will tell.
    The nirvana inducer-
    APC H10 Power Conditioner
    Marantz UD5005 universal player
    Parasound Halo P5 preamp
    Parasound HCA-1200II power amp
    PolkAudio LSi9's/PolkAudio SDA 2A's/PolkAudio Monitor 7A's
    Audioquest Speaker Cables and IC's
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  • Ron Temple
    Ron Temple Posts: 3,212
    edited February 2009
    If $600 is your budget the SVS12NSD is hard to beat, but definitely research it when you get close. You really can't go wrong with either SVS or Hsu at those pricepoints. ED, Epik and Outlaw are other considerations. For a first quality sub any of them are going to be stellar performers.

    Combo rig:

    Onkyo NR1007 pre-pro, Carver TFM 45(fronts), Carver TFM 35 (surrounds)
    SDA 1C, CS400i, SDA 2B
    PB13Ultra RO
    BW Silvers
    Oppo BDP-83SE
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  • comfortablycurt
    comfortablycurt Posts: 6,745
    edited February 2009
    Ron Temple wrote: »
    If $600 is your budget the SVS12NSD is hard to beat, but definitely research it when you get close. You really can't go wrong with either SVS or Hsu at those pricepoints. ED, Epik and Outlaw are other considerations. For a first quality sub any of them are going to be stellar performers.

    That's probably what I'll end up getting. The PB-12 Ultra looks like a damn nice sub, but I don't really want to spend that much on a sub yet. It's about 500 dollars more than the PB12-NSD, so that's a bit above my price range really.

    I'll eventually upgrade to a PB13-Ultra, or something else in that price range anyway. The PB12-NSD should fulfill all of my needs for the time being. It has extension down to 18hz, and has plenty of power to pressurize the room. It's going to be leaps and bounds better than the 8" 75 watt Pioneer sub I'm using right now.

    I haven't really looked at the HSU's much yet, though I've heard a lot of good things about them. I'll have to look into them some more. I've been considering some of the new Epiks as well, namely the Vanquish and the Sentinel. They cost a little bit more than the PB12NSD, but they look like they're some badass subs.

    I haven't really looked at the Outlaws or the ED's much either. The Outlaw LFM-1 EX looks like a pretty nice sub for the price. The ED A7S-450 doesn't look to bad either, though it's physical size may be a bit large for my space.

    Any recommendations on a good Velodyne in the 700ish range?
    The nirvana inducer-
    APC H10 Power Conditioner
    Marantz UD5005 universal player
    Parasound Halo P5 preamp
    Parasound HCA-1200II power amp
    PolkAudio LSi9's/PolkAudio SDA 2A's/PolkAudio Monitor 7A's
    Audioquest Speaker Cables and IC's
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  • lectronicjunkie
    lectronicjunkie Posts: 299
    edited February 2009
    Here's one that will throw a beating to your ear drums. http://www.onecall.com/ProductDetails.aspx?id=24510
    It's all in the detail.
    :cool:

    HT Setup:
    Samsung PN50D550
    Onkyo TX-SR805
    Samsung BD-D6700
    Fronts: RTi10's
    Center: CSi5
    Side surrounds: RC65i's
    Rear surrounds: FXiA4's
    Sub: Velodyne CT120
    Outdoor: Atrium 45's

    Pictures here
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  • Ron Temple
    Ron Temple Posts: 3,212
    edited February 2009
    comfortablycurt wrote: »
    That's probably what I'll end up getting. The PB-12 Ultra looks like a damn nice sub, but I don't really want to spend that much on a sub yet. It's about 500 dollars more than the PB12-NSD, so that's a bit above my price range really.

    I'll eventually upgrade to a PB13-Ultra, or something else in that price range anyway. The PB12-NSD should fulfill all of my needs for the time being. It has extension down to 18hz, and has plenty of power to pressurize the room. It's going to be leaps and bounds better than the 8" 75 watt Pioneer sub I'm using right now.

    I haven't really looked at the HSU's much yet, though I've heard a lot of good things about them. I'll have to look into them some more. I've been considering some of the new Epiks as well, namely the Vanquish and the Sentinel. They cost a little bit more than the PB12NSD, but they look like they're some badass subs.

    I haven't really looked at the Outlaws or the ED's much either. The Outlaw LFM-1 EX looks like a pretty nice sub for the price. The ED A7S-450 doesn't look to bad either, though it's physical size may be a bit large for my space.

    Any recommendations on a good Velodyne in the 700ish range?
    You get quite alot of sub from ED. I've never heard one, but I have a friend that's tried their high end offerings (A7-900 and A7-650(?) towers) and thinks they are competitive with subs at and above their pricepoint). Their lower and midline subs, I'm not sure about. I'm sure they go loud and low though. Epik's line is intriguing. His Vanquish is aimed right at SVS SB12Plus and Velo's SPL series and he claims his Sentinel is louder at 20hz than the former 15" Knight. Both could be a steal at their pricepoint, but the jury is still out. Outlaw's subs should perform similarly to the Hsu 3.2 and 3.3 for slightly less money. I'm still partial to SVS, but I'd take a long look at Epik. The higher end Velo's are very musical and don't lack output, but at $700 you're looking at an earlier rev or used.

    Combo rig:

    Onkyo NR1007 pre-pro, Carver TFM 45(fronts), Carver TFM 35 (surrounds)
    SDA 1C, CS400i, SDA 2B
    PB13Ultra RO
    BW Silvers
    Oppo BDP-83SE
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  • Mike Reeter
    Mike Reeter Posts: 4,315
    edited March 2009
    A $700. Velo??? The SPL-1000R would be right there.
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  • comfortablycurt
    comfortablycurt Posts: 6,745
    edited March 2009
    lectronicjunkie wrote: »
    Here's one that will throw a beating to your ear drums. http://www.onecall.com/ProductDetails.aspx?id=24510
    Mike Reeter wrote: »
    A $700. Velo??? The SPL-1000R would be right there.

    Those would both fit my price range I suppose, but neither of them are really appealing to me that much. The things are uglier than sin IMO for starters...lol

    Neither of them can hit below 20 hz, or even lower than 23 hz for that matter. If I'm paying that much for a sub, I want sub-sonic frequencies. The SPL-5000R looks like the better of the two...but...It's still not really appealing to me.

    I might try Velodyne someday, but if I do it'll be in the future when I can afford one of their better offerings. I'm not going to be able to fulfill my requirements with Velo unless I spend roughly twice the cost of the PB12-NSD from the looks of it.

    I'm sure they're still great subs, but from everything I've seen I think the SVS is where I want to go.:)
    The nirvana inducer-
    APC H10 Power Conditioner
    Marantz UD5005 universal player
    Parasound Halo P5 preamp
    Parasound HCA-1200II power amp
    PolkAudio LSi9's/PolkAudio SDA 2A's/PolkAudio Monitor 7A's
    Audioquest Speaker Cables and IC's
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  • bartimus
    bartimus Posts: 65
    edited March 2009
    Received the new SVS Ultra 13 last night. You better higher some friends to help you unpack this things because it is heavy....155 lbs!!

    Got everything hooked up, flipped the power switch and began the tedious process of getting it dialed in for optimal performance. After an hour of tweeking all I can say is WOW, this thing is impressive. At first I was a little disappointed at the output, but after moving it around a little and playing with different settings, I think it is dialed and it is amazing how low this thing can go... I'll get some pictures up later!
    Main System:
    Sony DA6400ES Receiver, Sony BDPS500ES Blu-Ray
    Denon DRS810 3 Head Cassette Deck, Sony KDA60ES3000 60" HDTV ,Emotiva XPA 2 Powering the A9's, Monster Power HDP 2550, Monster Power AVS 2000 SS Voltage Stabilizer, Direct TV HDTV Receiver,Polk RTIA9 Towers:D, Polk CSIA4 Center:D, Klipsch RC51 Surrounds, SVS PB13 Ultra Sub, Monster Cables HDMI 1000 Cables, Monster Cables M Series Speaker Cables
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  • Ron Temple
    Ron Temple Posts: 3,212
    edited March 2009
    If you need any help setting it up, be sure to ask thsmith or speakergeek ;):D:p.

    Combo rig:

    Onkyo NR1007 pre-pro, Carver TFM 45(fronts), Carver TFM 35 (surrounds)
    SDA 1C, CS400i, SDA 2B
    PB13Ultra RO
    BW Silvers
    Oppo BDP-83SE
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  • thsmith
    thsmith Posts: 6,082
    edited March 2009
    Ron Temple wrote: »
    If you need any help setting it up, be sure to ask thsmith or speakergeek ;):D:p.

    REW is your friend and once you tame the peak/s and hopefully you have just one and use the 1 filter PEQ built into the sub you will be really surprised.

    I started out with 20hz tuning and have not felt the need to try any other settings.

    Once the peak/s are tamed and you run your AVR speaker calibration you will find that the sub and mains will match perfectly wrt db levels.

    Since I have the SDA-1Cs I do not use the sub for music although the PB13U does a great job its just overkill with the 1Cs. In HT mode, batten down the hatches, and thats wit the sub level matched with the mains, no need for a 3 db bump or house curve, that is reserved for less capable subs IMO...
    Speakers: SDA-1C (most all the goodies)
    Preamp: Joule Electra LA-150 MKII SE
    Amp: Wright WPA 50-50 EAT KT88s
    Analog: Marantz TT-15S1 MBS Glider SL| Wright WPP100C Amperex BB 6er5 and 7316 & WPM-100 SUT
    Digital: Mac mini 2.3GHz dual-core i5 8g RAM 1.5 TB HDD Music Server Amarra (memory play) - USB - W4S DAC 2
    Cables: Mits S3 IC and Spk cables| PS Audio PCs
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  • speakergeek
    speakergeek Posts: 555
    edited March 2009
    bartimus wrote: »
    Received the new SVS Ultra 13 last night. You better higher some friends to help you unpack this things because it is heavy....155 lbs!!

    Got everything hooked up, flipped the power switch and began the tedious process of getting it dialed in for optimal performance. After an hour of tweeking all I can say is WOW, this thing is impressive. At first I was a little disappointed at the output, but after moving it around a little and playing with different settings, I think it is dialed and it is amazing how low this thing can go... I'll get some pictures up later!


    Congrats! It's a great sub and performs superbly on music and HT! The duals literally shake my whole house. Up close they part my hair and tickle my arm pits....
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  • Ron Temple
    Ron Temple Posts: 3,212
    edited March 2009
    thsmith wrote: »

    Since I have the SDA-1Cs I do not use the sub for music although the PB13U does a great job its just overkill with the 1Cs. In HT mode, batten down the hatches, and thats wit the sub level matched with the mains, no need for a 3 db bump or house curve, that is reserved for less capable subs IMO...
    Yep, running 1Cs large with LFE + L&R, I run mine a couple of dbs cold...lots of reinforcement from the mains and no localization.

    Combo rig:

    Onkyo NR1007 pre-pro, Carver TFM 45(fronts), Carver TFM 35 (surrounds)
    SDA 1C, CS400i, SDA 2B
    PB13Ultra RO
    BW Silvers
    Oppo BDP-83SE
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  • thsmith
    thsmith Posts: 6,082
    edited March 2009
    Ron it was you that actually got me to run my 1Cs large, LFE+mains and XO at 60hz.

    Have not changed it since:D

    Thanks Ron !;)
    Speakers: SDA-1C (most all the goodies)
    Preamp: Joule Electra LA-150 MKII SE
    Amp: Wright WPA 50-50 EAT KT88s
    Analog: Marantz TT-15S1 MBS Glider SL| Wright WPP100C Amperex BB 6er5 and 7316 & WPM-100 SUT
    Digital: Mac mini 2.3GHz dual-core i5 8g RAM 1.5 TB HDD Music Server Amarra (memory play) - USB - W4S DAC 2
    Cables: Mits S3 IC and Spk cables| PS Audio PCs
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  • Ron Temple
    Ron Temple Posts: 3,212
    edited March 2009
    thsmith wrote: »
    Ron it was you that actually got me to run my 1Cs large, LFE+mains and XO at 60hz.

    Have not changed it since:D

    Thanks Ron !;)
    I'm a fooking genius :confused::eek::p

    I wouldn't recommend this without plenty of headroom. That low bass eats up the current.

    Combo rig:

    Onkyo NR1007 pre-pro, Carver TFM 45(fronts), Carver TFM 35 (surrounds)
    SDA 1C, CS400i, SDA 2B
    PB13Ultra RO
    BW Silvers
    Oppo BDP-83SE
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  • BrettT1
    BrettT1 Posts: 560
    edited March 2009
    I have a PB12 plus. It's only for home theater/games. I won't run it with my SDAs.. I think it kills the effect. ;)
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  • Ron Temple
    Ron Temple Posts: 3,212
    edited March 2009
    BrettT1 wrote: »
    I have a PB12 plus. It's only for home theater/games. I won't run it with my SDAs.. I think it kills the effect. ;)
    That's pretty much the concensus. 2 channel = no sub, HT plus multi-channel SACD or DVD A (anything with a .1 channel) = sub. Prior to getting a dedicated 2 channel pre, I was running the sub and getting less and less satisfied though the Ultra is very musical. Adding the pre and changing amps, put me over the top for going subless.

    Combo rig:

    Onkyo NR1007 pre-pro, Carver TFM 45(fronts), Carver TFM 35 (surrounds)
    SDA 1C, CS400i, SDA 2B
    PB13Ultra RO
    BW Silvers
    Oppo BDP-83SE
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  • bartimus
    bartimus Posts: 65
    edited March 2009
    thsmith wrote: »
    REW is your friend and once you tame the peak/s and hopefully you have just one and use the 1 filter PEQ built into the sub you will be really surprised.

    I started out with 20hz tuning and have not felt the need to try any other settings.

    Once the peak/s are tamed and you run your AVR speaker calibration you will find that the sub and mains will match perfectly wrt db levels.

    Since I have the SDA-1Cs I do not use the sub for music although the PB13U does a great job its just overkill with the 1Cs. In HT mode, batten down the hatches, and thats wit the sub level matched with the mains, no need for a 3 db bump or house curve, that is reserved for less capable subs IMO...


    Can you clarify this part of your quote:
    "REW is your friend and once you tame the peak/s and hopefully you have just one and use the 1 filter PEQ built into the sub you will be really surprised.


    Thanks!
    Main System:
    Sony DA6400ES Receiver, Sony BDPS500ES Blu-Ray
    Denon DRS810 3 Head Cassette Deck, Sony KDA60ES3000 60" HDTV ,Emotiva XPA 2 Powering the A9's, Monster Power HDP 2550, Monster Power AVS 2000 SS Voltage Stabilizer, Direct TV HDTV Receiver,Polk RTIA9 Towers:D, Polk CSIA4 Center:D, Klipsch RC51 Surrounds, SVS PB13 Ultra Sub, Monster Cables HDMI 1000 Cables, Monster Cables M Series Speaker Cables
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited March 2009
    Ron Temple wrote:
    That's pretty much the concensus. 2 channel = no sub, HT plus multi-channel SACD or DVD A (anything with a .1 channel) = sub.

    By who? Many of the best 2 channel rigs I've heard run subs (including ones with SDAs). Many of them will run stereo subs. It can be more difficult to get it set up properly, but it is by no means a concensus that 2 channel means no sub.
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  • Ron Temple
    Ron Temple Posts: 3,212
    edited March 2009
    shack wrote: »
    By who? Many of the best 2 channel rigs I've heard run subs (including ones with SDAs). Many of them will run stereo subs. It can be more difficult to get it set up properly, but it is by no means a concensus that 2 channel means no sub.
    shack, I'm talking about large SVS subs paired with SDAs running large...so it's a concensus of a fairly small group ;). Wasn't making a blanket statement. Running stereo subs or utilizing a single in 2 channel can be an excellent solution.

    Combo rig:

    Onkyo NR1007 pre-pro, Carver TFM 45(fronts), Carver TFM 35 (surrounds)
    SDA 1C, CS400i, SDA 2B
    PB13Ultra RO
    BW Silvers
    Oppo BDP-83SE
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