Might try vinyl

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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited February 2009
    SolidSqual wrote: »
    He's got a great Rega CDP. I bet he will be thoroughly unimpressed by vinyl by comparison at a $400 level. My guess is that you guys are just trying to suck another one into the fray like you did me.

    . . . guys are a nothin' but a bunch of weirdos with a white van and candy. Stop trying to lure the innocent with promises that they'll be dropped off where they started when you get done with them. Vinyl is a black hole and your wallet is a small star.

    Yep that black hole fits nicely over the spindle.:p
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited February 2009
    SolidSqual wrote: »
    This guy is what you could become with vinyl.

    LOL! . . . I wish I had his vinyl rigs, yes that was plural.:D
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited February 2009
    pearsall001 wrote: »
    Yessummmm boss...!!!! :D

    Just trying to keep it real. Tell him to eat a bowl of rice krispies when he's spinning a CD...ah, the snap, crackle, pop, the warmth, mellowness, the scratches, the pits, the record cleaner, the vacuum, the flattener, the isostat thingamagiggy, don't forget the clamp, oh boy I just love vinyl. Where the hell is my remote. :D

    Hey, atleast it keeps you from getting a flat A$$.:D
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 33,804
    edited February 2009
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited February 2009
    3 dimensional sound?
    Please. Please contact me a ben62670 @ yahoo.com. Make sure to include who you are, and you are from Polk so I don't delete your email. Also I am now physically unable to work on any projects. If you need help let these guys know. There are many people who will help if you let them know where you are.
    Thanks
    Ben
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited February 2009
    Everybody loves vinyl.....

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    "Just because you’re offended doesn’t mean you’re right." - Ricky Gervais

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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited February 2009
    hearingimpared wrote:
    The record clamp should lead the pack!:D;)

    Time to gear back up and build some more Joe! Yours is a damn good product!
    "Just because you’re offended doesn’t mean you’re right." - Ricky Gervais

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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited February 2009
    shack wrote: »
    Time to gear back up and build some more Joe! Yours is a damn good product!

    I have two more that I came across.;)
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 33,804
    edited February 2009
    ben62670 wrote: »
    3 dimensional sound?

    :-)

    Fortunately, it was a Wham! LP...
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  • pearsall001
    pearsall001 Posts: 5,068
    edited February 2009
    shack wrote: »
    Time to gear back up and build some more Joe! Yours is a damn good product!

    +10 on that one. Joe's clamp is a superb design that works wonders.
    "2 Channel & 11.2 HT "Two Channel:Magnepan LRSSchiit Audio Freya S - SS preConsonance Ref 50 - Tube preParasound HALO A21+ 2 channel ampBluesound NODE 2i streameriFi NEO iDSD DAC Oppo BDP-93KEF KC62 sub Home Theater:Full blown 11.2 set up.
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  • thsmith
    thsmith Posts: 6,082
    edited February 2009
    pearsall001 wrote: »
    +10 on that one. Joe's clamp is a superb design that works wonders.

    Any details on this clamp and possibly how to buy one ?
    Speakers: SDA-1C (most all the goodies)
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  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited February 2009
    SolidSqual wrote: »
    . . . guys are a nothin' but a bunch of weirdos with a white van and candy. Stop trying to lure the innocent with promises that they'll be dropped off where they started when you get done with them.

    you wanna piece of candy??

    RT1
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited February 2009
    thsmith wrote: »
    Any details on this clamp and possibly how to buy one ?

    PM sent.
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited February 2009
    I think my link is bad on my prior post (it is showing a red x on my computer)...I just like this photo and want everyone to be able tosee it....:D

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    "Just because you’re offended doesn’t mean you’re right." - Ricky Gervais

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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited February 2009
    shack wrote: »
    I think my link is bad on my prior post (it is showing a red x on my computer)...I just like this photo and want everyone to be able tosee it....:D

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    Oh Steve, that's just wrong!:p
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  • organ
    organ Posts: 4,969
    edited February 2009
    Thanks for the help, everyone. I've looked around on ebay for vinyl and found some I really want. I see that there are different types like 150g and 200g. I'm assuming the heavier vinyl are suppose to sound better? They're more expensive than standard.

    Now, I have played around with vinyl many years ago but never heard them on a good TT. Even though the TT wasn't great, there was a nice sense of continuity to the sound that I was able to pick up right away. I was just hoping that I could get a lot more of this on a good entry level TT.
    I read a review of the Rega P1 on Canada HiFi and it was mentioned that a good cdp was better for HF and LF extension, but overall musicality went to the Rega. That's the review that got me thinking.
    HF/LF cut off is fine by me. I"m running single driver speakers that won't do HF ext. and LF ext. Bass is probably good down to 50Hz. So that will not be an issue for me.

    This is so frustrating! I had just started saving up for the ToTL Omega speakers and came across that Rega P1 review. AAAHHH!

    Those pics just made me feel better:).
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  • Fongolio
    Fongolio Posts: 3,516
    edited February 2009
    180 gram or 200 gram does NOT always mean better sound. I have a 180 gram REM Automatic For the People that is beat hands down by the original pressing. Generally it's true but certainly not always. One thing I'm finding quite consistant....so far every German pressing of an LP I've bought sounds better than it's USA or Canadian counterpart. I read somewhere that Germany uses much more virgin vinyl than in the US and Canada. Virgin vinyl equals quieter background equals better sound.
    SDA-1C (full mods)
    Carver TFM-55
    NAD 1130 Pre-amp
    Rega Planar 3 TT/Shelter 501 MkII
    The Clamp
    Revox A77 Mk IV Dolby reel to reel
    Thorens TD160/Mission 774 arm/Stanton 881S Shibata
    Nakamichi CR7 Cassette Deck
    Rotel RCD-855 with modified tube output stage
    Cambridge Audio DACmagic Plus
    ADC Soundshaper 3 EQ
    Ben's IC's
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  • SCompRacer
    SCompRacer Posts: 8,499
    edited February 2009
    so far every German pressing of an LP I've bought sounds better than it's USA or Canadian counterpart

    You will find that can happen with Japanese and Holland pressings as well. It still depends on who did the mastering. The Steve Hoffman forum is a good source for quality recording discussions on digital and vinyl.

    EDIT: Steve, I love that pic! Saved.:D
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  • inspiredsports
    inspiredsports Posts: 5,501
    edited February 2009
    organ wrote: »
    Ok, all the vinyl talk in this forum is making me want to get a TT. Problem is, I don't want to spend much money. I just want to get a feel for its sound.

    I'm looking at the Rega P1. I believe they retail for $399. Then I'll have to get a phono pre. Again I'm not looking to spend much there. Do you think an entry level set up like this would sound better than my Rega Apollo cdp? Should I just stick to cd?

    If you truly want entry level pricing, a vintage late '70's Thorens TD-160 or TD-145 (same as 160 with auto stop), will set you back $200 to $250 on eBay and compare with most new new tables costing 4 or 5 times as much.

    Thorens is a "Mercedes" level table that holds its superior performance for decades. The 145 and 160 models can be easily and economically upgraded by a mile from their excellent baseline performance.

    I currently own a TD-115, 2 TD-145's and a TD-160 ranging from stock to moderately tweaked and all deliver superior champagne sound on a beer budget.
    VTL ST50 w/mods / RCA6L6GC / TlfnknECC801S
    Conrad Johnson PV-5 w/mods
    TT Conrad Johnson Sonographe SG3 Oak / Sumiko LMT / Grado Woodbody Platinum / Sumiko PIB2 / The Clamp
    Musical Fidelity A1 CDPro/ Bada DD-22 Tube CDP / Conrad Johnson SD-22 CDP
    Tuners w/mods Kenwood KT5020 / Fisher KM60
    MF x-DAC V8, HAInfo NG27
    Herbies Ti-9 / Vibrapods / MIT Shotgun AC1 IEC's / MIT Shotgun 2 IC's / MIT Shotgun 2 Speaker Cables
    PS Audio Cryo / PowerPort Premium Outlets / Exact Power EP15A Conditioner
    Walnut SDA 2B TL /Oak SDA SRS II TL (Sonicaps/Mills/Cardas/Custom SDA ICs / Dynamat Extreme / Larry's Rings/ FSB-2 Spikes
    NAD SS rigs w/mods
    GIK panels
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited February 2009
    inspiredsports wrote: »
    If you truly want entry level pricing, a vintage late '70's Thorens TD-160 or TD-145 (same as 160 with auto stop), will set you back $200 to $250 on eBay and compare with most new new tables costing 4 or 5 times as much.

    Thorens is a "Mercedes" level table that holds its superior performance for decades. The 145 and 160 models can be easily and economically upgraded by a mile from their excellent baseline performance.

    I currently own a TD-115, 2 TD-145's and a TD-160 ranging from stock to moderately tweaked and all deliver superior champagne sound on a beer budget.

    There is a Thorens TD-160 being sold in the For Sale thead here.

    http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79326
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  • inspiredsports
    inspiredsports Posts: 5,501
    edited February 2009
    hearingimpared wrote: »
    There is a Thorens TD-160 being sold in the For Sale thead here.

    http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79326

    You can download Adobe Acrobat pdf format copies of the original Thorens User / Service Manuals after creating a simple username / password account at http://www.vinylengine.com. Fixing hum is even addressed in these original manuals as Thorens was not yet installing separate ground wires on the units from the factory at that time.

    I follow these daily as several are generally available on eBay at any given time. Price in Polk F/S thread is OK too if you want to add ground wire to tackle hum fix (which should be done to any of these models anyway).
    VTL ST50 w/mods / RCA6L6GC / TlfnknECC801S
    Conrad Johnson PV-5 w/mods
    TT Conrad Johnson Sonographe SG3 Oak / Sumiko LMT / Grado Woodbody Platinum / Sumiko PIB2 / The Clamp
    Musical Fidelity A1 CDPro/ Bada DD-22 Tube CDP / Conrad Johnson SD-22 CDP
    Tuners w/mods Kenwood KT5020 / Fisher KM60
    MF x-DAC V8, HAInfo NG27
    Herbies Ti-9 / Vibrapods / MIT Shotgun AC1 IEC's / MIT Shotgun 2 IC's / MIT Shotgun 2 Speaker Cables
    PS Audio Cryo / PowerPort Premium Outlets / Exact Power EP15A Conditioner
    Walnut SDA 2B TL /Oak SDA SRS II TL (Sonicaps/Mills/Cardas/Custom SDA ICs / Dynamat Extreme / Larry's Rings/ FSB-2 Spikes
    NAD SS rigs w/mods
    GIK panels
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  • inspiredsports
    inspiredsports Posts: 5,501
    edited February 2009
    hearingimpared wrote: »
    Oh Steve, that's just wrong!:p

    A well set up TT should be able to track right through those teeth marks :)
    VTL ST50 w/mods / RCA6L6GC / TlfnknECC801S
    Conrad Johnson PV-5 w/mods
    TT Conrad Johnson Sonographe SG3 Oak / Sumiko LMT / Grado Woodbody Platinum / Sumiko PIB2 / The Clamp
    Musical Fidelity A1 CDPro/ Bada DD-22 Tube CDP / Conrad Johnson SD-22 CDP
    Tuners w/mods Kenwood KT5020 / Fisher KM60
    MF x-DAC V8, HAInfo NG27
    Herbies Ti-9 / Vibrapods / MIT Shotgun AC1 IEC's / MIT Shotgun 2 IC's / MIT Shotgun 2 Speaker Cables
    PS Audio Cryo / PowerPort Premium Outlets / Exact Power EP15A Conditioner
    Walnut SDA 2B TL /Oak SDA SRS II TL (Sonicaps/Mills/Cardas/Custom SDA ICs / Dynamat Extreme / Larry's Rings/ FSB-2 Spikes
    NAD SS rigs w/mods
    GIK panels
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited February 2009
    Here's a Thorens table on the gon. It has a decent arm and cart.

    http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?anlgtabl&1239993877&/Thorens-TD-145-mkII
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited February 2009
    You may as well go all the way. THis is a great turntable and tonearm for a very good price.

    VPI MK III (its labeled MK IV) with JMW Memorial 10 tonearm.


    http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?anlgtabl&1238130781&/VPI-hw-19-mkIII
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  • SCompRacer
    SCompRacer Posts: 8,499
    edited February 2009
    Hey Joe, I am going to try another supposed giant killer; the mighty idler wheel drive Lenco. I got the wood for the heavy layered plinth, just need a round tuit to cut and build it. I'll use my current arm/cartridge. I picked this one up on the cheap before the price started to go up on the old dogs.

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    lenco_2.jpg
    Salk SoundScape 8's * Audio Research Reference 3 * Bottlehead Eros Phono * Park's Audio Budgie SUT * Krell KSA-250 * Harmonic Technology Pro 9+ * Signature Series Sonore Music Server w/Deux PS * Roon * Gustard R26 DAC / Singxer SU-6 DDC * Heavy Plinth Lenco L75 Idler Drive * AA MG-1 Linear Air Bearing Arm * AT33PTG/II & Denon 103R * Richard Gray 600S * NHT B-12d subs * GIK Acoustic Treatments * Sennheiser HD650 *
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited February 2009
    SCompRacer wrote: »
    Hey Joe, I am going to try another supposed giant killer; the mighty idler wheel drive Lenco. I got the wood for the heavy layered plinth, just need a round tuit to cut and build it. I'll use my current arm/cartridge. I picked this one up on the cheap before the price started to go up on the old dogs.

    lenco_1.jpg

    lenco_2.jpg

    Well if anyone can make that baby sing it is definitely you. Good luck and congrats. Keep us informed . . . with pics too.
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  • organ
    organ Posts: 4,969
    edited February 2009
    Thanks for the suggestions, guys.
    As much as I'd love to get one off ebay, I really want to support my dealer because he's one of the few here in Toronto who's trying very hard to keep 2ch alive. He has a team that could build/mod/tweak tube/ss equipments, speakers, etc and he's given me excellent deals on all the things I buy. All my audio purchases in the past few years have been from him only. He also does consignment, so there are plenty of used gear at great prices.

    He's a Rega dealer, that's why I may get the P1.
    I may be pushing it with this, but here's a TT he's selling... Oh yeah, for all you Americans, don't get scared by the price. That's in Canadian Dollars http://www.canuckaudiomart.com/details/117448-sota_sapphire_wsumiko_mmt_and_nagoka_50/
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited February 2009
    organ wrote: »
    I may be pushing it with this, but here's a TT he's selling... Oh yeah, for all you Americans, don't get scared by the price. That's in Canadian Dollars http://www.canuckaudiomart.com/details/117448-sota_sapphire_wsumiko_mmt_and_nagoka_50/

    Oh yeah . . . now you're talking my language. I love Sota tables.:)
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  • organ
    organ Posts: 4,969
    edited February 2009
    Yup, that's a sexy TT. It's quite a bit more than what I'm willing to spend, but we'll see. I forgot to factor in the price of a phono pre. I'll see what other TT's he has next time I go visit.
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  • organ
    organ Posts: 4,969
    edited February 2009
    AAAAAH you effers! I just opened another door in audio hell;).

    ok, I called my dealer earlier today. He said to skip the P1. He said he has a much nicer Music Hall and he has a nice phono pre as well.
    I am sooooo excited!!!! I'm going there on Tuesday to get the TT. Yeah! I will have to check my funds to see if I can get the Sota.

    btw, I found a super kick **** vinyl store. A whole floor dedicated to vinyl (used and new). They even have new releases, and hell, even black metal on vinyl! So today, I picked up Queen (QueenII), Queen (A Day at the Races) and Carpathian Forest (F*ck You All). Both Queen albums are American re-issues and Carpathian Forest is UK pressing. Going back tomorrow before work to get more vinyl.

    :D:D:D Can you tell I'm excited? My first TT rig:D:D:D
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