burn in time for MIT Shotguns?

Norm Apter
Norm Apter Posts: 1,036
I picked up a second set of MIT Shotgun S-3s on A-gon today. Unlike the pair I got last week, it appears that this pair will not be fully burned in. The seller informed me that he is the first owner and has put about 30-40 hours on them.

Anyone know of a ballpark figure for the number of hours for complete burn in for these cables? I did a brief search on MIT's website but couldn't find anything.

Norm
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited February 2009
    2 days=75%
    2 weeks=100%
    "He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche
  • Norm Apter
    Norm Apter Posts: 1,036
    edited February 2009
    Face wrote: »
    2 days=75%
    2 weeks=100%

    Just to clarify -- when you say 2 days, do you mean 2 days continuously playing (i.e. 48 hours), or -- if not -- based on how many hours per day?
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    Parasound Halo P3 Preamp
    Parasound Halo T3 Tuner
    Bada HD22SE tube CD Player
    Magnum Dynalab Signal Sleuth
    Magnum Dynalab ST-2 antenna
    polkaudio Lsi9s (upgraded cross-overs)
    MIT Shotgun S-3 Bi-wire Interface Speaker Cables
    MIT Shotgun S-3 Interconnects (3)
    IegO L70530 Power cords (3)

    HT
    Denon 2808ci AVR
    polkaudio RTi A5s (fronts)
    polkaudio RTi A1s (rears)
    polkaudio Csi A6 (center)
    Signal Cable Ultra Speaker Cables
    Signal Cable Analog II Interconnects
  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,136
    edited February 2009
    Face wrote: »
    2 days=75%
    2 weeks=100%

    Mine took at little longer more like 2 1/2 weeks.
  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,136
    edited February 2009
    Norm Apter wrote: »
    Just to clarify -- when you say 2 days, do you mean 2 days continuously playing (i.e. 48 hours), or -- if not -- based on how many hours per day?

    Continuously running.
  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited February 2009
    yes, but.........

    they continue to burn in until they are...........well, burnt.

    RT1
  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited February 2009
    The best way to burn cables is to install them between a CDP, and a pre. The CDP puts out full voltage, and you need not have to have the pre truned on;)
    Enjoy.
    Ben
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,136
    edited February 2009
    Don't forget to play a full range piece of music repeatedly.
  • zingo
    zingo Posts: 11,258
    edited February 2009
    ben62670 wrote: »
    The best way to burn cables is to install them between a CDP, and a pre. The CDP puts out full voltage, and you need not have to have the pre truned on;)
    Enjoy.
    Ben

    I like this idea Ben! I'll have to try that with my next pair.
  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,729
    edited February 2009
    200 to 400 hours to reach full burn in.
    The seller informed me that he is the first owner and has put about 30-40 hours on them.

    Is he sellling them because he didn't like the sound?
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited February 2009
    I would say 2-3 months.
    CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
  • Norm Apter
    Norm Apter Posts: 1,036
    edited February 2009
    F1nut wrote: »
    Is he sellling them because he didn't like the sound?

    No, it doesn't appear so.

    In an e-mail exchange we had yesterday, I asked the seller about his equipment. Though he didn't confirm his next move, I am assuming that he is simply moving higher up in the MIT food chain. Here's what he listed as the components of his system. Shoot, I'm totally unaware of this kind of gear but I'm thinking it must be some top notch stuff:

    "Wilson WP 7's, Pass Labs XP-10 preamp, soon to be Pass Labs XA 30.5 amp, Meridian G08 CD, and MIT Magnum M1 cables"

    Magnums are higher up than Shotguns, right?
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    Parasound Halo T3 Tuner
    Bada HD22SE tube CD Player
    Magnum Dynalab Signal Sleuth
    Magnum Dynalab ST-2 antenna
    polkaudio Lsi9s (upgraded cross-overs)
    MIT Shotgun S-3 Bi-wire Interface Speaker Cables
    MIT Shotgun S-3 Interconnects (3)
    IegO L70530 Power cords (3)

    HT
    Denon 2808ci AVR
    polkaudio RTi A5s (fronts)
    polkaudio RTi A1s (rears)
    polkaudio Csi A6 (center)
    Signal Cable Ultra Speaker Cables
    Signal Cable Analog II Interconnects
  • Norm Apter
    Norm Apter Posts: 1,036
    edited February 2009
    Don't forget to play a full range piece of music repeatedly.

    By this, do you mean something symphonic in quality? In other words, music that has both high highs and low lows?
    2 Ch.
    Parasound Halo A23 Amp
    Parasound Halo P3 Preamp
    Parasound Halo T3 Tuner
    Bada HD22SE tube CD Player
    Magnum Dynalab Signal Sleuth
    Magnum Dynalab ST-2 antenna
    polkaudio Lsi9s (upgraded cross-overs)
    MIT Shotgun S-3 Bi-wire Interface Speaker Cables
    MIT Shotgun S-3 Interconnects (3)
    IegO L70530 Power cords (3)

    HT
    Denon 2808ci AVR
    polkaudio RTi A5s (fronts)
    polkaudio RTi A1s (rears)
    polkaudio Csi A6 (center)
    Signal Cable Ultra Speaker Cables
    Signal Cable Analog II Interconnects
  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,729
    edited February 2009
    Ok, if he's running Magnum M1 speaker cables, then he'd want to run M1 IC's to get the full benefit.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,136
    edited February 2009
    Norm Apter wrote: »
    By this, do you mean something symphonic in quality? In other words, music that has both high highs and low lows?

    That would be ideal but it doesn't have to be symphonic it could be anything that covers a wide spectrum.
  • inspiredsports
    inspiredsports Posts: 5,501
    edited February 2009
    48 hours for 75% and 336 hours for 100%, driven by dynamic range source like music or an IsoTek System Rejuvenation and Enhancement Disc. Matching IC's and Cables by product line and number is the best solution.

    In my opionion, the IC's probably yield 60% of the improvement, and Speaker Interface Cables 40%.

    I just finished burning in AVt-2's and they actually got sweeter up to 500 hours, and they are truly amazing and I believe, underated Cables. I'm moving to the next level and just bought new Shotgun S2's that should arrive on Tuesday. I bought extras to get at what I wanted and will be listing used AVt-2's and brand new extra S2's in the forum late next week.

    I can't wait until the Shotguns arrive !! : ):) :)
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  • Erik Tracy
    Erik Tracy Posts: 4,673
    edited February 2009
    That would be ideal but it doesn't have to be symphonic it could be anything that covers a wide spectrum.

    Yoko Ono maybe? ;)

    H9: If you don't trust what you are hearing, then maybe you need to be less invested in a hobby which all the pleasure comes from listening to music.
  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,136
    edited February 2009
    erik tracy wrote: »
    yoko ono maybe? ;)

    waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!
  • Norm Apter
    Norm Apter Posts: 1,036
    edited February 2009
    Matching IC's and Cables by product line and number is the best solution. In my opionion, the IC's probably yield 60% of the improvement, and Speaker Interface Cables 40%. I can't wait until the Shotguns arrive !! : ):) :)

    Are you using, or do you plan to use, MIT Shotgun speaker cables as well?
    2 Ch.
    Parasound Halo A23 Amp
    Parasound Halo P3 Preamp
    Parasound Halo T3 Tuner
    Bada HD22SE tube CD Player
    Magnum Dynalab Signal Sleuth
    Magnum Dynalab ST-2 antenna
    polkaudio Lsi9s (upgraded cross-overs)
    MIT Shotgun S-3 Bi-wire Interface Speaker Cables
    MIT Shotgun S-3 Interconnects (3)
    IegO L70530 Power cords (3)

    HT
    Denon 2808ci AVR
    polkaudio RTi A5s (fronts)
    polkaudio RTi A1s (rears)
    polkaudio Csi A6 (center)
    Signal Cable Ultra Speaker Cables
    Signal Cable Analog II Interconnects
  • Norm Apter
    Norm Apter Posts: 1,036
    edited February 2009
    That question goes for the rest of you Shotgun owners, too....is it Shotguns all around (i.e. speaker cables also) if you have the ICs, or do you mix it up?
    2 Ch.
    Parasound Halo A23 Amp
    Parasound Halo P3 Preamp
    Parasound Halo T3 Tuner
    Bada HD22SE tube CD Player
    Magnum Dynalab Signal Sleuth
    Magnum Dynalab ST-2 antenna
    polkaudio Lsi9s (upgraded cross-overs)
    MIT Shotgun S-3 Bi-wire Interface Speaker Cables
    MIT Shotgun S-3 Interconnects (3)
    IegO L70530 Power cords (3)

    HT
    Denon 2808ci AVR
    polkaudio RTi A5s (fronts)
    polkaudio RTi A1s (rears)
    polkaudio Csi A6 (center)
    Signal Cable Ultra Speaker Cables
    Signal Cable Analog II Interconnects
  • polkatese
    polkatese Posts: 6,767
    edited February 2009
    Norm, I do Shotgun 3 IC and speaker cables. If you have the budget, you should try it.
    I am sorry, I have no opinion on the matter. I am sure you do. So, don't mind me, I just want to talk audio and pie.
  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,136
    edited February 2009
    I use Shotgun 3 IC's but the Shotgun 750 biwire speaker wire. I'm hoping to get a pair of Magnum speaker wires in the near future.
  • Solumnus
    Solumnus Posts: 48
    edited February 2009
    So, are you gonna pay more for those 30 to 40 hrs of break in? The cables HAVE to be worth more if some work is already done on them? Or am I being skeptical about speaker wire break in?

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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,729
    edited February 2009
    Or am I being skeptical about speaker wire break in?

    That's a nice way to put it.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."


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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited February 2009
    Good wires do require time to burn in period.
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  • inspiredsports
    inspiredsports Posts: 5,501
    edited February 2009
    Norm Apter wrote: »
    Are you using, or do you plan to use, MIT Shotgun speaker cables as well?

    I'm matching Shotgun S2 Speaker Interface Cables with Shotgun S2 IC's.

    MIT recommends using the same model number of the same product line. I'm not sure why. If I have it right, I guess the theory is that Shotgun 3 Cables with the next higher step up model Shotgun 2 IC's would not be as good as using the Shotgun 3 Cables with matching (but lesser) Shotgun 3 IC's.
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    Conrad Johnson PV-5 w/mods
    TT Conrad Johnson Sonographe SG3 Oak / Sumiko LMT / Grado Woodbody Platinum / Sumiko PIB2 / The Clamp
    Musical Fidelity A1 CDPro/ Bada DD-22 Tube CDP / Conrad Johnson SD-22 CDP
    Tuners w/mods Kenwood KT5020 / Fisher KM60
    MF x-DAC V8, HAInfo NG27
    Herbies Ti-9 / Vibrapods / MIT Shotgun AC1 IEC's / MIT Shotgun 2 IC's / MIT Shotgun 2 Speaker Cables
    PS Audio Cryo / PowerPort Premium Outlets / Exact Power EP15A Conditioner
    Walnut SDA 2B TL /Oak SDA SRS II TL (Sonicaps/Mills/Cardas/Custom SDA ICs / Dynamat Extreme / Larry's Rings/ FSB-2 Spikes
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    GIK panels
  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited February 2009
    I was just kidding. All cables are the same:D
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,136
    edited February 2009
    ben62670 wrote: »
    I was just kidding. All cables are the same:D

    Here we go.:p
  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited February 2009
    I'm matching Shotgun S2 Speaker Interface Cables with Shotgun S2 IC's.

    MIT recommends using the same model number of the same product line. I'm not sure why. If I have it right, I guess the theory is that Shotgun 3 Cables with the next higher step up model Shotgun 2 IC's would not be as good as using the Shotgun 3 Cables with matching (but lesser) Shotgun 3 IC's.

    I spoke to MIT's VP a while back, I believe he mentioned that as long as the series are the same(Shotgun, AVt, etc...), you should be fine.
    "He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche
  • inspiredsports
    inspiredsports Posts: 5,501
    edited February 2009
    Face wrote: »
    I spoke to MIT's VP a while back, I believe he mentioned that as long as the series are the same(Shotgun, AVt, etc...), you should be fine.

    Got it. With that said, I have 2 rigs and am using AVt-2 IC's with both AVt-2 and EXp-1 Cables. I've swapped several combinations of speakers, wires and components, and both have delivered excellent results. I wonder if the matching becomes more and more important with the higher series cables?
    VTL ST50 w/mods / RCA6L6GC / TlfnknECC801S
    Conrad Johnson PV-5 w/mods
    TT Conrad Johnson Sonographe SG3 Oak / Sumiko LMT / Grado Woodbody Platinum / Sumiko PIB2 / The Clamp
    Musical Fidelity A1 CDPro/ Bada DD-22 Tube CDP / Conrad Johnson SD-22 CDP
    Tuners w/mods Kenwood KT5020 / Fisher KM60
    MF x-DAC V8, HAInfo NG27
    Herbies Ti-9 / Vibrapods / MIT Shotgun AC1 IEC's / MIT Shotgun 2 IC's / MIT Shotgun 2 Speaker Cables
    PS Audio Cryo / PowerPort Premium Outlets / Exact Power EP15A Conditioner
    Walnut SDA 2B TL /Oak SDA SRS II TL (Sonicaps/Mills/Cardas/Custom SDA ICs / Dynamat Extreme / Larry's Rings/ FSB-2 Spikes
    NAD SS rigs w/mods
    GIK panels
  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited February 2009
    If you hear changes within the same MIT lineup, e.g. Shotgun S3 vs Shotgun S1....you're borderline retarded. I'm an MIT subscriber but the model lines make no sense.
    CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.