Emotiva UMC-1

Montoya

Sweet Dolby volume function. J/K

WilliamM2 wrote: »

I've been over at the lounge reading up on the UMC-1, I'm interested in it mostly because of the small size. Reports are it has a serious bug, when running the auto calibration it blasts out at a level so loud it damages speakers, wonder if EMO covers that? Maybe in another year and a half they will have the bugs out, like the LMC-1. Very disappointing.

apphd

WilliamM2 wrote: »

I wasn't that suprised. Other bugs are that it does not hold video or speker level settings when it's turned off. How could they miss basic crap like this with delay after delay...

I think that these were determined to be operator error. Not saving the settings in the correct menu. But with so many preliminary reports being what they are, it may turn out to be a bug. But one user reports that if saved in the right menu, they are maintained.

With the track record of one of the earlier processors, and the delays on this one, I think the wait and see approach is needed for real and imagined bugs to surface.

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WilliamM2

I think that these were determined to be operator error.

Some of them may be setup issues, but I wouldn't call them operator errors. How can you hold the user responsible when the units are shipping without a user's manual? All the delays, and they still had to ship without a manual. That's no way to launch a new product. I'm on the second waiting list right now, but if they contact me anytime soon, I will cancel, and just wait and see.

concealer404

I think Reference gear is worth the wait, though. Just sayin'.

cstmar01

In all honesty with some of the crap thats been said, I really think they need to fix the problems first and make sure EVERYTHING is done that needs to be like the manual, trying to test for bugs ect. Now I'm sure they did some of this but some things I'm reading about seem strange to happen and also I'm sorry but yeah a manual is needed any time a product comes out.

I honestly would still rather have an Anthem D2 or their other models or other brands and pay more but have something I know will do the job and do it right and that I know will work right when you get them. To me Emo should stop with the processors for awhile to make sure all the software and everything is being done right before making another one.
Just my .02.

polkatese

I noticed that most of the upcoming or recently released HT Pre/Pro (UMC-1, Halo C3, Arcam AVP888, etc.) are plagued with problems. Coincident? more of technology problems?

WilliamM2

polkatese wrote: »

I noticed that most of the upcoming or recently released HT Pre/Pro (UMC-1, Halo C3, Arcam AVP888, etc.) are plagued with problems. Coincident? more of technology problems?

Can't be a technology problem. There have been plenty of HDMI receivers available for at least three years with minor or no issues at all. The RX-V1800 I have (released in 2007) has run flawlessly without a single hiccup. The PR-SC885 I had did have some issues, but they were fixed with firmware for the 886. Too bad they left owners of the 885 hanging.

JohnLocke88

WilliamM2 wrote: »

Can't be a technology problem. There have been plenty of HDMI receivers available for at least three years with minor or no issues at all. The RX-V1800 I have (released in 2007) has run flawlessly without a single hiccup. The PR-SC885 I had did have some issues, but they were fixed with firmware for the 886. Too bad they left owners of the 885 hanging.

Likewise; My Onkyo 705 is kickin' away smoothly, other than a minor audio lag issue that I resolved with updating my source firmware and Onkyo firmware; all's good in the hoood.

JohnLocke88

Jebus.... just read some of the posts over on the EMO forums; Why are so many emolounge members such over reactive defensive nutters? Anyone that points out an error or makes a suggestion is instantly labeled as a whiner and told to leave.

Thanks to everyone here that IS NOT like that.

cstmar01

WilliamM2 wrote: »

Can't be a technology problem. There have been plenty of HDMI receivers available for at least three years with minor or no issues at all. The RX-V1800 I have (released in 2007) has run flawlessly without a single hiccup. The PR-SC885 I had did have some issues, but they were fixed with firmware for the 886. Too bad they left owners of the 885 hanging.

I know there have been a few that have problems, but nothing like the problems I've heard with the emo stuff. The technology is there its just a company has to be able to put it together to make it work for the product and if you don't know what your doing it can back fire really easily.
I think a lot of them (emoities er whatever you want to call them) get so defensive because they still believe their gear is the be all end all to all audio gear and would never have to get something else. While thats fine if a person wants to believe that, when something has some major problems and is proving to not be the greatest they still want it to be great, even though it may not be.
I think if Emo would take some time, make sure they get a lot of the bugs out that have been noted and make sure everything is being shipped together, they might have something that people would look at for entry level. I personally like other companies but thats just me, and don't think I would ever buy a pre/pro from them.

SolidSqual

cstmar01 wrote: »

I know there have been a few that have problems, but nothing like the problems I've heard with the emo stuff. The technology is there its just a company has to be able to put it together to make it work for the product and if you don't know what your doing it can back fire really easily.
I think a lot of them (emoities er whatever you want to call them) get so defensive because they still believe their gear is the be all end all to all audio gear and would never have to get something else. While thats fine if a person wants to believe that, when something has some major problems and is proving to not be the greatest they still want it to be great, even though it may not be.
I think if Emo would take some time, make sure they get a lot of the bugs out that have been noted and make sure everything is being shipped together, they might have something that people would look at for entry level. I personally like other companies but thats just me, and don't think I would ever buy a pre/pro from them.

I think perhaps Emotiva expanded into other components of gear too quickly. They should have continued to focus on making amplifiers. Their amps are incredible values. That being said, I haven't heard any of their other product except the CD player (of which I am not impressed). My point being that although they wanted to be a one stop shop for many consumers, it has led them down a road that cheapens their best talents.

apphd

Kex wrote: »

That's not exactly true, from what I read. It was determined that due to the problem, one way to solve it was to manually enter the proper values in a particular menu area.

That's why I said "I think" and "it may turn out to be a bug" But my point was going by reports from users that have had this in hand for 2 whole days with out a manual, is as wise as shipping with out a manual. (Very bad decision in my opinion for something as complex as modern processors have become) Lucky for me I'm pretty happy with my system for now, and I'm just getting back to work after 10 months:) so I'm pretty broke and I don't need to make decisions about what is acceptable to me.

Kex wrote: »

The whole attitude tends to render the "Lounge" useless as far as decision making is concerned IMO.

Agreed, too bad when some come here to ask about Emo gear they get told to go to Emo Lounge, or accused of just asking the Q to stir up problems on CP. Not you, just what has been happening lately.

As I said earlier I think I will hold my judgment good and bad until a little more is known. Lucky for those in the market for one, they have those brave souls out there that buy early. Info will be out there soon enough to make a choice.

apphd

WilliamM2 wrote: »

Some of them may be setup issues, but I wouldn't call them operator errors. How can you hold the user responsible when the units are shipping without a user's manual? All the delays, and they still had to ship without a manual. That's no way to launch a new product. I'm on the second waiting list right now, but if they contact me anytime soon, I will cancel, and just wait and see.

Agree, "setup issues" would have been a better choice of words.

Wait and see is what I would do as well. Not only for bugs to be worked out, but for some reports on overall quality, to see if it would do what I want for the $$, whether it be 700 or 7000, it would need to meet my expectations.

hearingimpared

JohnLocke88 wrote: »

Jebus.... just read some of the posts over on the EMO forums; Why are so many emolounge members such over reactive defensive nutters? Anyone that points out an error or makes a suggestion is instantly labeled as a whiner and told to leave.

Thanks to everyone here that IS NOT like that.

Don't forget to thank the mods too.

hearingimpared

apphd wrote: »

That's why I said "I think" and "it may turn out to be a bug" But my point was going by reports from users that have had this in hand for 2 whole days with out a manual, is as wise as shipping with out a manual. (Very bad decision in my opinion for something as complex as modern processors have become) Lucky for me I'm pretty happy with my system for now, and I'm just getting back to work after 10 months:) so I'm pretty broke and I don't need to make decisions about what is acceptable to me.




Agreed, too bad when some come here to ask about Emo gear they get told to go to Emo Lounge, or accused of just asking the Q to stir up problems on CP. Not you, just what has been happening lately.

As I said earlier I think I will hold my judgment good and bad until a little more is known. Lucky for those in the market for one, they have those brave souls out there that buy early. Info will be out there soon enough to make a choice.

That right there is a result of the Emoettes going into threads and blasting anyone who disagrees or doesn't like Emo products. It started awhile ago and just became old. That is why the collective membership have become suspicious of Emo threads. We've had influxes of new members come on here from other forums at the behest of a member asking them too just to cause problems and support them. Remember the N word debacle we had not too long ago?

There's your reason.

moe

I have no big bug issues with the umc,settings stay,I pass through video anyway,I don't need "auto eq",sound is spectacular,adjustments more than I'll use.It has a few small issues that may effect some,just not me.Emo promised an update quickly for the known issues.I find this unit about as buggy as any other 1st run unit I've owned,but way ahead for sound.

If I review some of the Polk speakers I've owned(melted tweeters and blown woofers) and been MUCH less than happy with,I'm sure the defenders would come out too.It just so happens Polk also makes some great products too.

concealer404

moe wrote: »

If I review some of the Polk speakers I've owned(melted tweeters and blown woofers) and been MUCH less than happy with,I'm sure the defenders would come out too.It just so happens Polk also makes some great products too.

Well, bring that out! That would be the first that i've heard or read anything of the sort, besides our recent adventures with bobt.

All speakers will do what you said if they're abused... but i'm not going to pass judgement yet. Make another thread discussing.

WilliamM2

hearingimpared wrote: »

There's your reason.

Rather than start it all up again, why don't we keep this thread about the UMC-1 until that actually happens?

hearingimpared

apphd wrote: »

That's why I said "I think" and "it may turn out to be a bug" But my point was going by reports from users that have had this in hand for 2 whole days with out a manual, is as wise as shipping with out a manual. (Very bad decision in my opinion for something as complex as modern processors have become) Lucky for me I'm pretty happy with my system for now, and I'm just getting back to work after 10 months:) so I'm pretty broke and I don't need to make decisions about what is acceptable to me.




Agreed, too bad when some come here to ask about Emo gear they get told to go to Emo Lounge, or accused of just asking the Q to stir up problems on CP. Not you, just what has been happening lately.

As I said earlier I think I will hold my judgment good and bad until a little more is known. Lucky for those in the market for one, they have those brave souls out there that buy early. Info will be out there soon enough to make a choice.

hearingimpared wrote: »

That right there is a result of the Emoettes going into threads and blasting anyone who disagrees or doesn't like Emo products. It started awhile ago and just became old. That is why the collective membership have become suspicious of Emo threads. We've had influxes of new members come on here from other forums at the behest of a member asking them too just to cause problems and support them. Remember the N word debacle we had not too long ago?

There's your reason.

WilliamM2 wrote: »

Rather than start it all up again, why don't we keep this thread about the UMC-1 until that actually happens?

I'll respond to what and how I wish to respond. I didn't respond to "start it up again," a fella made a point and I just responded with a counter point.

Apparently you like to take my responses and just choose certain parts to quote for whatever reason.

WilliamM2

I'll respond to what and how I wish to respond. I didn't respond to "start it up again," a fella made a point and I just responded with a counter point.

Apparently you like to take my responses and just choose certain parts to quote for whatever reason.

Relax, I'm no Emo fan, just interested in the product if it actully works as advertised.

hearingimpared

WilliamM2 wrote: »

Relax, I'm no Emo fan, just interested in the product if it actully works as advertised.

I am relaxed William until we start debating cables.:D:p

moe

concealer404 wrote: »

Well, bring that out! That would be the first that i've heard or read anything of the sort, besides our recent adventures with bobt.

All speakers will do what you said if they're abused... but i'm not going to pass judgement yet. Make another thread discussing.

You got a point,but I've owned speakers that could take great abuse and still rock on many years,not a week.The point being,no manufacturer has a 100% rock solid lineup at all price ranges,I also have/had Polks I love.

I have thoroghly been enjoying the umc,dvda/sacd/cd's,BR,I have no issues but I also want any issues adressed for those that have different setups.If you don't need a prepro what's it matter,but if you do,I'd suggest an audition before passing judgement.

concealer404

moe wrote: »

You got a point,but I've owned speakers that could take great abuse and still rock on many years,not a week.The point being,no manufacturer has a 100% rock solid lineup at all price ranges,I also have/had Polks I love.

I have thoroghly been enjoying the umc,dvda/sacd/cd's,BR,I have no issues but I also want any issues adressed for those that have different setups.If you don't need a prepro what's it matter,but if you do,I'd suggest an audition before passing judgement.

Good point definitely. I just haven't had great luck with my previous two auditions.

WilliamM2

Moe, is it possible to turn off all the blue LED's? Or at least dim them. I know with the amps, switching them off still leaves the power led on.

acsubie

WilliamM2 wrote: »

Moe, is it possible to turn off all the blue LED's? Or at least dim them. I know with the amps, switching them off still leaves the power led on.

Can be dimmed, but just as the amplifiers, the power led remains on