My lesson in SACD

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  • arkaig1
    arkaig1 Posts: 45
    edited January 2009
    Have any fans of masses (esp. Berlioz, Cherubini, Beethoven, Mendelsohn), motets/madrigals (esp. Tallis, Janequin, et al.), or string quartets (esp. Beethoven, Mozart, Haydn) ACTUALLY gone fully down the SACD road (speakers, SACD multi-channel CD/DVD player, and music SACD)?

    Bonus points in credibility if you aren't now selling your hardware. ;)

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  • arkaig1
    arkaig1 Posts: 45
    edited January 2009
    I was curious if orf how much you appreciated the difference (of course).
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  • Motzart
    Motzart Posts: 1,075
    edited January 2009
    I haven't been too overly impressed so far.
    Altho the hybrid SACD's seem to sound much better that the standard on a regular player.

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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,735
    edited January 2009
    I haven't been too overly impressed so far.
    Likely cause, Sony SCD-CE595 SACD 5 Disk
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  • Ricardo
    Ricardo Posts: 10,636
    edited January 2009
    arkaig1 wrote: »
    ......gone fully down the SACD road (speakers, SACD multi-channel CD/DVD player, and music SACD)?

    Bonus points in credibility if you aren't now selling your hardware. ;)

    Barry

    Didn't know that there were specific SACD speakers; care to elaborate???
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited January 2009
    Ricardo wrote: »
    Didn't know that there were specific SACD speakers; care to elaborate???
    Sony makes them, I wonder if they equal their ES gear? :p :rolleyes:
    http://www.zandoelectricals.co.uk/Audio/Sony_SSAL5MK2.html
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  • Danny Tse
    Danny Tse Posts: 5,206
    edited January 2009
    Face wrote: »
    Sony makes them, I wonder if they equal their ES gear? :p :rolleyes:
    http://www.zandoelectricals.co.uk/Audio/Sony_SSAL5MK2.html

    Not that particular model, but Sony did market a "ED" series of speakers that were designed for SACD. I remember them being offered at Circuit City. As you can tell from this professional review and a subsequent owner's review, these were winners. Unfortunately, speakers with Sony's name attached to them will always get ignored even before anyone has listened to them. Btw, Sony has always made audiophile-quality speakers....they just never get imported to the US.
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  • Conradicles
    Conradicles Posts: 6,133
    edited January 2009
    Danny Tse wrote: »
    Not that particular model, but Sony did market a "ED" series of speakers that were designed for SACD. I remember them being offered at Circuit City. As you can tell from this professional review and a subsequent owner's review, these were winners. Unfortunately, speakers with Sony's name attached to them will always get ignored even before anyone has listened to them. Btw, Sony has always made audiophile-quality speakers....they just never get imported to the US.

    I had a set of "ED" speakers (center and a pair of bookshelves) and they were way better than any other Sony speakers I have ever heard. They were impressive IMHO.
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  • Kex
    Kex Posts: 5,205
    edited January 2009
    Ricardo wrote: »
    Didn't know that there were specific SACD speakers; care to elaborate???
    Well, I suppose you could argue in favor or using the same surrounds as main speakers, rather than "lesser" surrounds, which is frequently cited as the C.W. for H.T. (Didn't know about the Sony SACD speakers described above).
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,735
    edited January 2009
    The SS-K70ED is a three-way, with a 6.5-inch woofer, 10-inch carbon dome tweeter, and a B&W-esque 6.5-inch woven Kevlar midbass driver

    That's a damn big tweeter!
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  • Motzart
    Motzart Posts: 1,075
    edited January 2009
    F1nut wrote: »
    Likely cause, Sony SCD-CE595 SACD 5 Disk

    Got what I could afford and what got a halfway decent rating for the $$.
    I was gonna get a Yamaha SACD player but it was about $500 and didn't get a very good rating.

    If I hafta spend $1000 for a SACD then I'll toss in the towel cuz it's not gonna happen.

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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,735
    edited January 2009
    Since money is a concern, look for a used Denon 2900 @ $200.00 or a 3910 @ $350.00 or so. Both do a respectable job with SACD.

    BTW, what is it that isn't impressing you?
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  • Motzart
    Motzart Posts: 1,075
    edited January 2009
    Maybe I'm spoiled with DSP? :(

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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,735
    edited January 2009
    Good Gawd man, DSP is evil. Turn that off and forget it's there.
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  • Motzart
    Motzart Posts: 1,075
    edited January 2009
    F1nut wrote: »
    Good Gawd man, DSP is evil. Turn that off and forget it's there.

    Gosh I thought it was Digital Signal Processing?
    Not Devil Supported Processing! :rolleyes:

    I like the feel/sense of being right there when I listen to music.

    Hummmm you know The Devil/Satan WAS Gods angel of muisic before he was cast out.
    Maybe music in general is evil? :eek::D

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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,735
    edited January 2009
    I like the feel/sense of being right there when I listen to music.

    You'll get there quicker with all that noise inducing stuff turned off, bypassed entirely if possible.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,735
    edited January 2009
    For the record, my comment was directed at music listening. ;):)
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited January 2009
    If you are using ANY DSP with your SACD recordings all you are doing is distorting the sound. Either listen in pure stereo or multichannel bypassing any type of processing. If you feel the need to use those "features" of your AVR, then you are right, SACD is probably not for you.
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  • Motzart
    Motzart Posts: 1,075
    edited January 2009
    shack wrote: »
    If you are using ANY DSP with your SACD recordings all you are doing is distorting the sound. Either listen in pure stereo or multichannel bypassing any type of processing. If you feel the need to use those "features" of your AVR, then you are right, SACD is probably not for you.

    Nope my Yammy in Multi-Channel mode is direct you cannot change a thing.
    I have it hooked direct Multi-Channel from the Sony to Multi-Channel on receiver....you hear it as it is on the SACD no adjustments possible.
    Only way is with the SACD used as a Hybrid in the regular CD player.
    Which I have mentioned sounds much richer and fuller than a standard copy this way.

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    Music CD: Sony CDP-CE375 5 Disk
    HD TV: Vizio 42" LCD 1080p E420VO
    Blu-Ray: Sony BDP-S350
    DVD: Sony DVP-NC665P 5 Disk
    AV Rack: Sanus Euro EFAB-II Audio Base x2 EFAS-II Audio Expansion Shelf x4
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  • Kex
    Kex Posts: 5,205
    edited January 2009
    Motzart wrote: »
    Nope my Yammy in Multi-Channel mode is direct you cannot change a thing.
    I have it hooked direct Multi-Channel from the Sony to Multi-Channel on receiver....you hear it as it is on the SACD no adjustments possible.
    Only way is with the SACD used as a Hybrid in the regular CD player.
    Which I have mentioned sounds much richer and fuller than a standard copy this way.
    Also, with a HDMI audio capable unit, you get access to the processing and bass management of the receiver or pre/pro, I think, rather than have to use the more limited functions of some players (including mine). I use 5.1 analog connections, so I wouldn't really know about this, but just adding to the discussion ...
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