My lesson in SACD

Motzart

Well I found out something about SACD today I DIDN'T know! :mad:

Got my Dead Can Dance SACD's today and SOAB they are in 2ch and not 5.1!
Now I'm a lil pissed.....I THOUGHT that was the whole idea of SACD was the 5.1 seperated channels?
What the hell did I miss?
Not real happy with myself right now. :mad:

mmadden28

I'm sure those more edumacated in SACD will clarify, but SACD started as 2 channel only . Multichannel support started later. All SACD's will have the 2 Channel mix, but not all will have the surround mix.
I could be wrong here, but I don't think there is a .1 channel on SACD MC. Or at least not all of them have it.
Another note-not all SACD are hybrid, meaning they won't all contain both the SACD layers and the regular Redbook CD layers.

You have to look carefully at each SACD you want to buy. It might be available in both 2 ch and MC but there might be several releases out there.

janmike

SACD Explained earlier

Danny Tse

mmadden28 wrote: »

I'm sure those more edumacated in SACD will clarify, but SACD started as 2 channel only . Multichannel support started later.

That's true. Even now, some of the top-of-the-line SACD players out there are 2 channel only.

mmadden28 wrote: »

All SACD's will have the 2 Channel mix, but not all will have the surround mix.

Almost all SACD released has a dedicated 2 channel stereo or mono mix. I say almost because there are about 10 SACD titles out there, out of more than 5,600, that is multi-channel only.

mmadden28 wrote: »

I could be wrong here, but I don't think there is a .1 channel on SACD MC. Or at least not all of them have it.

SACD is actually capable of full bandwidth 5.1 multi-channel surround sound. However, multi-channel surround sound can come in any combination up to 5.1 channels. It can be 4.0, 3.1, 4.1, 5.1, etc. You get the picture.

mmadden28 wrote: »

Another note-not all SACD are hybrid, meaning they won't all contain both the SACD layers and the regular Redbook CD layers.

Almost all SACD releases within the last 3 years are hybrid SACD, although production for single-layer SACD is still possible. The CD layer of a hybrid SACD come in regular CD, HDCD, or Enhanced CD, which can feature video capability. Ray Charles' "Genius Loves Company" SACD is one SACD that has videos of Ray Charles on its CD layer.

XRCD as the CD layer of hybrid SACD was proposed but ultimately rejected by XRCD's owner, JVC, which happened to be a supporter of SACD's rival, DVD-A.

For more answers, please visit the FAQ section at sa-cd.net

reeltrouble1

ancient Polkie Proverb says better to be pissed than plugged.

Enjoy your new SACD's.

RT1

Motzart

Ok I was an idiot in not heeding ESAVINON's warning...."they are not multichannel".
My own fault....least they didn't cost me a fortune.
Ugggggg.....maybe I'll windup putting up forsale?
Sorry Guys but 2 channel isn't my bag.

Next time I'll watch for m u l t i c h a n n e l!

ESavinon

They still sound better than redbook.
If you're not satisfied with your purchase, sell them. I'm sure it will sell quickly.

reeltrouble1

Motzart wrote: »

Sorry Guys but 2 channel isn't my bag.

Next time I'll watch for m u l t i c h a n n e l!

Oh poo noogies, your losing street cred Mo. Such great potential.

Best compromise, the Mecury Living Presence classical are well done in three channel.

RT1

janmike

So what have you got Motzart and what's the price. ALL 2CH SACD for music here.

ben62670

I prefer 2 channel SACD on nearly all the recordings I have with the major exception being Pink Floyd DSOTM;)

shack

Multi-channel (specifically 5.1 "surround") music sucks.

Motzart

janmike wrote: »

So what have you got Motzart and what's the price. ALL 2CH SACD for music here.

Dead Can - Dance Into The Labyrinth
Dead Can Dance - Within The Realm Of A Dying Sun
Both just arrived spanky new from Amazon

Haven't decided yet how much or if I'm gonna sell em.

Face

You should listen to them as they were meant to be heard. Multi-Channel is a cacophony. There's nothing better than holographic imaging and a soundstage that surrounds you from just two speakers.

TNRabbit

Face wrote: »

You should listen to them as they were meant to be heard. Multi-Channel is a cacophony. There's nothing better than holographic imaging and a soundstage that surrounds you from just two speakers.

The best multi-channel recordings are the ones specifically recorded that way (Dianna Krall; the Girl in the Other Room). "Temptation" in 5.1 from that recording is amazing. Also, the digitally recorded 1812 Overture in 5.1 is pretty astounding as well. That said, I agree with you on a lot of the crap m/c recordings.

Motzart

TNRabbit wrote: »

The best multi-channel recordings are the ones specifically recorded that way (Dianna Krall; the Girl in the Other Room). "Temptation" in 5.1 from that recording is amazing. Also, the digitally recorded 1812 Overture in 5.1 is pretty astounding as well. That said, I agree with you on a lot of the crap m/c recordings.

My copy of Holst The Planets is pretty awsome!

reeltrouble1

cacophony?? holographic?? Face Man you have reached the four syllable Polk Post limit, however, to do so in three sentences is note worthy.

Viva La 2-Channel.

RT1

dkg999

reeltrouble1 wrote: »

Viva La 2-Channel. RT1

2 speakers, 2 ears. The way the Lord intended. Amen pastor RT1!

snow

Even though there are some multi channel SACD's out there that sound very good in there 3-4-5 channel configurations I think music should be 2 channel only and movies should be done in multi channel. IMHO



regards snow

janmike

And the 2CH Gods have spoken. Hail to the TCG's.

danger boy

Motzart wrote: »

Well I found out something about SACD today I DIDN'T know! :mad:

Got my Dead Can Dance SACD's today and SOAB they are in 2ch and not 5.1!
Now I'm a lil pissed.....I THOUGHT that was the whole idea of SACD was the 5.1 seperated channels?
What the hell did I miss?
Not real happy with myself right now. :mad:

sorry bud.. welcome to the unfriendly world of SACD. i don't get it either.. that's why i never got into SACD and instead went with DVD-Audio.. which of course didn't survive the wars. DVD-Audio always gave you 5.1 surround sound. none of this 2 ch ****.

for some reason, the better format alwyas loses out.:(

Danny Tse

reeltrouble1 wrote: »

Viva La 2-Channel.

dkg999 wrote: »

2 speakers, 2 ears. The way the Lord intended.

danger boy wrote: »

DVD-Audio always gave you 5.1 surround sound. none of this 2 ch ****.

And we're off.....

dkg999

Danny Tse wrote: »

And we're off.....

But to where?

I think that Blu-ray 2 ch is going to be the answer (to what I don't know?)

Danny Tse

dkg999 wrote: »

But to where?

My response was about the 2 channel vs. multi-channel debate.

Fongolio

I can't help it. I must.....chime.......in......trying........hard.......to........resist (Captain James T. Kirk voice). I love BOTH!!! Gasp....shudder....scream....I love my two channel only setup and love a great two channel holographic image especially with vinyl or a well recorded two channel cd or sacd. But I also love "real" multichannel. By real I mean not upconverted two channel but deliberatly engineered multichannel. I have an extensive collection of dts disks (400ish)sacd and dvd-audio multichannel music and love that as much and sometimes more than their two channel vinyl counterparts. Try Dark Side of the Moon or Wish You Were Here in multichannel and you may see what I mean. YES, they can coexist in the same household harmoniously. As for two channel sacd. Great stuff. Almost always sounds better than cd and usually as good or close to as good as vinyl. My two cents. I can already feel the heat.

disneyjoe7

Music is well should be 2 channel.

danger boy

With SACD already proven.. then why do they release so much of it in only two channel? it's capable of 5.1. so why should i pay more for a SACD when all i'm getting is standard 2 ch stereo. albeit it's hi rez.. but it's still 2 ch stereo. and i want friggin 5.1 surround if that format is capable of it damnit.

Motzart

Holy cow I opened a can of worms!

Well I tried the mentioned CD in my standard player.....
The Hybrid [Remastered] part comes out.
Richer and more realistic than the standard copy I have IMHO.
That said.....all is not lost!

mmadden28

Motzart wrote: »

Holy cow I opened a can of worms!

...

Nah I think it was inevitable-

snow

danger boy wrote: »

With SACD already proven.. then why do they release so much of it in only two channel? it's capable of 5.1. so why should i pay more for a SACD when all i'm getting is standard 2 ch stereo. albeit it's hi rez.. but it's still 2 ch stereo. and i want friggin 5.1 surround if that format is capable of it damnit.

?. Why not have 20.5? or 100.10

A. Because it would not be realistic. Most music is recorded in 2 channel stereo in my oppinion because the instruments and vocals are in front of you not to the sides or rear. Other than the audience screaming in a live performance there is little value in having more than 2 channels for most music.

Movies are great in 5.1 or 7.1 because there are so many things happening all around you and many special effects that would be impossible to replicate accurately in 2 channel.



REGARDS SNOW

mmadden28

Why don't cars only have speakers in the front?

snow

mmadden28 wrote: »

Why don't cars only have speakers in the front?

Because people watch DVD's in them now days?



REGARDS SNOW