I love my American car

shadowofnight

ben62670 wrote: »

What are you driving SON? My 68 Bronco's cruise control is just a throtle lock:eek: You don't really want to drive any faster than 70 in that. The wheel base is shorter than a CJ7's, and it has 7 inches of lift.

My Titan handles great , even with 9" of suspension lift and the 35's ( CST 7" suspension lift and I added 2 extra inches with extra length SAW shocks and custom PRG upper control arms ) I still drive it the same as I did when it was lower...its the best handling lifted vehicle I have ever driven. The 5 speed tranny and computer controlled cruise really help on long drives too.

Joe08867

^^^^^^^^^ That truck is bad ****! ^^^^^^^^

Jeff Beaird

I was waiting for it and there it is... Less than 48 hrs...! bragging about a Japanese truck in an American car thread:eek: Ironic... MMMmmmmm!




No offense... Sweet looking Titan!

concealer404

ben62670 wrote: »

LIL almost empty:D
Thanks bro:)


I was not condemning foreign cars just sharing my experience:rolleyes: The point was the foreign car needed work done too it at very low miles. They had to order the part. It took a week to fix. It would have cost me over a $1000 to fix. I would have needed a rental car, and they had to order the overpriced part from outside the country. Second time. It would have cost me over $200 to have the tranny fluid added at the dealership. This cannot be done at your typical local shop:rolleyes:

I'm not arguing that your car wasn't a pile of crap.

You couldn't pay me to buy that era VW, all experiences that i've had with them point to them being piles of crap... the point i'm making is that your isolated incident with your VW isn't really all that relevant to the subject.

You make some valid points, and i appreciate that, i'm not trying to attack you, just trying to get my POV across on the concept of a free market economy.

I love a good American car as much as the next guy, but unfortunately, to me.... that means not much that's newer than a 3rd gen Camaro, Fox Body Mustang, or Jeeps.

And i guess my main point is.... nobody is going to buy American now if they weren't thinking about it before. Nobody buys a car to save an ailing company. They buy a car to suit their needs and wants. And i can't imagine the talks of a bailout making GM look any better to prospective buyers.

dreaming.haze

I loved my old 89 Chevy Caprice, it was like driving a boat on the roads. purr fun and comfort.

Sami

LOL, Caprice comfort? I had one and it was horrible to drive, and the seats were very uncomfortable. Ride? Yes, like a boat, makes you seasick with all that rocking back and forth.

WilliamM2

shadowofnight wrote: »

My Titan handles great , even with 9" of suspension lift and the 35's ( CST 7" suspension lift and I added 2 extra inches with extra length SAW shocks and custom PRG upper control arms ) I still drive it the same as I did when it was lower...its the best handling lifted vehicle I have ever driven. The 5 speed tranny and computer controlled cruise really help on long drives too.

Does it ever actually go off-road? Nice looking truck.

Jeff Beaird

If you ask me... put a $20K tariff on ALL imported car and truck manufacturers..!
That would put all those boys(and girls) back to work in Detroit
I know its not that simple... we(USA) have a lot bigger problems like national health care, tax system(ya, I would vote for a flat tax!)


OK hit me!;)

zingo

Jeff Beaird wrote: »

If you ask me... put a $20K tariff on ALL imported car and truck manufacturers..!
That would put all those boys(and girls) back to work in Detroit
I know its not that simple... we(USA) have a lot bigger problems like national health care, tax system(ya, I would vote for a flat tax!)

That means I'd be paying 35K for a stripped down Civic! :eek:

bobman1235

Yeah, that's why it's called a "retarded idea."

American cars were at their most terrible when no one would dream of buying Japanese, and they've improved DRASTICALLY over the past two decades because of the amount of competition. Take away the competition from foreign manufacturers and I'd all but guarantee the quality would sink again.

jdhdiggs

Oh yes, isolationism is the answer... Freakin moron.... Woo hoo, we can pay more for a crappier car, yay! That will solve everything... :rolleyes:

Tax system? "Fair Tax", well that was fun... Flat tax wouldn't be bad, get that freeloading 45 million homes back on the tax roles and ease the burdon on the wealthy. That would be a decent first step until you can move to the fair tax concept.

National healthcare? Limit damages in courts to "reasonable" amounts- Thus Dr and Rx costs come down, thus insurance premiums come down, thus you can afford your own insurance...

Done, that was easy...

wizzy

You know what's hilarious. It seems like 90% of the time I'm anywhere where someone starts talking about their American car, and buying American, keeping money here, etc.

I drive a Toyota, made in Canada.

Yet I look at my shoes and see New Balance, made in America. I look at their shoes and see Nike or something else, made in China.

I look at my shirt, made by Americal Apparel in the US. I ask where their shirt is made. They don't know.

I tell them when I buy light bulbs for my house I always check to make sure they are made in the US, I ask them where their light bulbs are made. They don't know.

It's odd how many people buy an American car to feel good, but then proceed to buy all sorts of Chinese crap for everything else in their life.

W

66chevyIISS

I love my American car too, but I commute to work in a Honda

ben62670

wizzy wrote: »

It's odd how many people buy an American car to feel good, but then proceed to buy all sorts of Chinese crap for everything else in their life.

W

Yep. WalMart has been a leader in sending $ out. It is this simple; $ out, and $ not coming in equals no $$$! Then we don't even have a choice, because we have no money to buy anything.

Frank840

I love my american cars too ..

heres my neon




here is my Jeep its FOR SALE BTW check the garage sale thread.

shadowofnight

WilliamM2 wrote: »

Does it ever actually go off-road? Nice looking truck.

With my back and shoulder still healing, the truck goes offroad quite often and my quad stays in the garage I actually bought my house 5 minutes from a 3,200 acre off-road park on purpose

PolkThug

Trio of "American" vehicles here.

'06 Mustang
'04 Volvo
'01 Dakota

Only **** car I would consider is the Nissan GT-R.

concealer404

PolkThug wrote: »

Trio of "American" vehicles here.

'06 Mustang
'04 Volvo
'01 Dakota

Only **** car I would consider is the Nissan GT-R.

And this right here is where it gets weird....

Do we consider a Volvo an american car simply because they're owned by Ford?

Or do we consider a car American based on where it's built?

Because I, and probably most people in this thread that are saying BUY AMERICAN DO IT DO IT DO IT would consider a Volvo to be swedish, and therefor, un-American.

Mazda is also an import.

Is Saab un-American? After all, they're owned by GM.

Hilariously enough.... there is a Honda manufacturing plant 45 minutes from me, giving many Americans great paying jobs. Toyota builds their trucks here, giving many Americans great paying jobs.

GM? A lot of your cars are built in Mexico.

I'm not going to sit here and make the argument that it's on the same scale when comparing GM and Honda/Toyota..... but really, it's all become so murky that you can't be sure what you're buying, regardless of the company at hand.

And it gets worse when you really look further into it:

Toyota gave you your Pontiac Vibe.
Chevy gave Toyota the Cavalier to sell overseas.
Your "Domestic" Geo Prizm? It's a Toyota Corolla, sorry 'boutcha.

There are so many examples of this, it's almost horrifying.


The time has LOOOONNNNGGGGG past to buy a truly American car.

Jstas

concealer404 wrote: »

Hilariously enough.... there is a Honda manufacturing plant 45 minutes from me, giving many Americans great paying jobs. Toyota builds their trucks here, giving many Americans great paying jobs.

How many times does this have to get repeated before you people will understand it?

The JOBS don't matter nearly as much as where the PROFITS are realized and taxed. Joe Blow building Hondas only helps Joe Blow. Honda is still part of the Japanese market and the Japanese economy. When you buy a Honda, even if Joe Blow gets a job out of it, the REAL benefactor is Japan.

If Joe Blow is working for Ford and building Fords then not only does Joe Blow benefit but Ford, being based in America, taxed in America and holding it's worth in America benefits America too. How?

Ford boosts the American GDP. That brings value to the dollar and economic growth. Joe Blow is not even a big enough benefit to be American economy to be paltry. Multiply Joe Blow by 1100 fellow Joe Blows building Hondas and they still are barely big enough to be a small drop in the bucket. Even if Joe Blow were making 50,000 a year along with 1100 other Joe Blows, that's still only 5.5 million before taxes are applied. That's only 5.5 million at best applied to an economy in the hundreds of trillions of dollars. That's nothing in comparison to the billions of dollars Honda is funneling into the Japanese economy which is no where near as strong as the U.S. and only in the hundreds of billions.

Now, keep the same Joe Blows working for Ford, at the same pay rate and then take Ford's tens of billions of dollars of economic worth and add it to the 5.5 million of the Joe Blows out there. Ford and the Joe Blows together make a very large dent in the U.S. economy and boost the GDP when they are spending money on resources in this country, producing product to sell world-wide and profiting all over the place.

When you buy an American vehicle, even if it's made in Mexico, all you cut out is the 5.5 million that the Joe Blows would be making. Is it bad that 1100 Joe Blows don't have a job? Yeah, it is. But, if you put your money in to Ford's product, you give Ford revenue to sink back in to the company in the form of capital of all kinds. That not only helps the company grow and create more jobs for those 1100 Joe Blows that want to work but it also boosts stock prices. That bumps up the Dow Jones index which is an indicator of growth. If that keeps happening, more investors jump on the growth bandwagon to make some money. Then, all of a sudden, BAM! Economic growth, new jobs, money in everybody's pockets and life is grand again! Buy a Japanese car and the Japanese people see those benefits and get that grand life while you sit here and **** about how crappy it all is.

Is that isolationism? No, it's just economic common sense. Does that mean you should buy a "junk American car"? No, it doesn't, buy what you want but if you are rolling around in a new Honda or Audi, I don't want to hear your complaints about the Big 3. You're part of the problem, not the solution. Does that mean that everybody saying to buy American is telling you that you should forgo what you think is a quality car over what you think isn't a quality car? No, what they are saying is wake up already you jackass and look around! This is NOT 1978, this is NOT 1988. This is 2008 and if you think that American car companies are still making "junk cars" then you're an idiot and you've been blind for about 10, maybe even 15 years with your outdated and misinformed opinions.

Is all that really that hard to comprehend? Honestly?

jdhdiggs

Might want to look up the difference between GDP and GNP...

disneyjoe7

America is still making Junk I said it.


And if they truly don't they burnt some many bridges behind them no one cares anymore, why because they brought a Honda, Toyota and been happy since.

Now saying that should the America Car manufactures fail, should they fail I say not. Can I support them no, do I feel I should support them no.

concealer404

Jstas wrote: »

How many times does this have to get repeated before you people will understand it?

The JOBS don't matter nearly as much as where the PROFITS are realized and taxed. Joe Blow building Hondas only helps Joe Blow. Honda is still part of the Japanese market and the Japanese economy. When you buy a Honda, even if Joe Blow gets a job out of it, the REAL benefactor is Japan.

If Joe Blow is working for Ford and building Fords then not only does Joe Blow benefit but Ford, being based in America, taxed in America and holding it's worth in America benefits America too. How?

Ford boosts the American GDP. That brings value to the dollar and economic growth. Joe Blow is not even a big enough benefit to be American economy to be paltry. Multiply Joe Blow by 1100 fellow Joe Blows building Hondas and they still are barely big enough to be a small drop in the bucket. Even if Joe Blow were making 50,000 a year along with 1100 other Joe Blows, that's still only 5.5 million before taxes are applied. That's only 5.5 million at best applied to an economy in the hundreds of trillions of dollars. That's nothing in comparison to the billions of dollars Honda is funneling into the Japanese economy which is no where near as strong as the U.S. and only in the hundreds of billions.

Now, keep the same Joe Blows working for Ford, at the same pay rate and then take Ford's tens of billions of dollars of economic worth and add it to the 5.5 million of the Joe Blows out there. Ford and the Joe Blows together make a very large dent in the U.S. economy and boost the GDP when they are spending money on resources in this country, producing product to sell world-wide and profiting all over the place.

When you buy an American vehicle, even if it's made in Mexico, all you cut out is the 5.5 million that the Joe Blows would be making. Is it bad that 1100 Joe Blows don't have a job? Yeah, it is. But, if you put your money in to Ford's product, you give Ford revenue to sink back in to the company in the form of capital of all kinds. That not only helps the company grow and create more jobs for those 1100 Joe Blows that want to work but it also boosts stock prices. That bumps up the Dow Jones index which is an indicator of growth. If that keeps happening, more investors jump on the growth bandwagon to make some money. Then, all of a sudden, BAM! Economic growth, new jobs, money in everybody's pockets and life is grand again! Buy a Japanese car and the Japanese people see those benefits and get that grand life while you sit here and **** about how crappy it all is.

Is that isolationism? No, it's just economic common sense. Does that mean you should buy a "junk American car"? No, it doesn't, buy what you want but if you are rolling around in a new Honda or Audi, I don't want to hear your complaints about the Big 3. You're part of the problem, not the solution. Does that mean that everybody saying to buy American is telling you that you should forgo what you think is a quality car over what you think isn't a quality car? No, what they are saying is wake up already you jackass and look around! This is NOT 1978, this is NOT 1988. This is 2008 and if you think that American car companies are still making "junk cars" then you're an idiot and you've been blind for about 10, maybe even 15 years with your outdated and misinformed opinions.

Is all that really that hard to comprehend? Honestly?

Nope. Not hard. And you just illustrated the "It's all about me" that the American population seems to habitually harbor, considering that your argument is based on the assumption that The Big Three doesn't sell automobiles overseas.... If you think that companies like Toyota and Honda are **** America over, then you need to think about the impact that WE have on other countries as well. Personally, i couldn't give a **** less about what the Big Three does to other countries, and i REALLY don't care what the foreign car companies do to us, because as a PERSONAL opinion, I PERSONALLY enjoy foreign cars more, and before you point that finger again, i HAVE shopped around, and the only domestics cars that i enjoy that are within my price range are the SRT4 Neon, and the Cobalt SS/Ion Redline.

So....

My complaint about the Big 3 is that everyone who seems to buy from them does nothing but complain about three things:

1) Their cars
2) Foreign cars
3) How they're afraid that the company they bought the car from is going under.

(Yes, this is a gross stereotype, it's not literal, it's for a point.)

I have nothing against the cars, other than that i don't enjoy driving them.

The other hole in your argument is that you think that Toyota/Honda isn't taxed in America. Nope. Sorry. Wrong. They have holdings in America, they have plants in america, they get taxed in America. They pay to be here, and if you don't like it, then feel free to go picket their facilities.

I'm not telling anyone to buy foreign. I don't care what you buy, just make sure you enjoy what you buy, and don't **** about how much your car sucks, because YOU bought it, and it's YOUR fault for buying it.

So... no. I understand what you're saying, have no problems with it, but i feel that it's inaccurate and blown out of proportion.

And.... i haven't been driving long enough to look back 10 years at Domestic quality with a first person point of view. So feel free to bring out the "Young punk has no clue what he's talking about so his points are invalid card," because with how this thread is decomposing, i think that'll come shortly.

I enjoy my 17 year old Toyota. And guess what? NOBODY profited from me buying it except for maybe Joe Blow that had it before me. I won't buy a new Toyota because nothing they make interests me except for the Lexus IS-F, and if i was in the market for that car, i'd be looking at others instead. Such as a nice high-end used German car.

concealer404

jdhdiggs wrote: »

Might want to look up the difference between GDP and GNP...

Ding ding ding!

Jstas

jdhdiggs wrote: »

Might want to look up the difference between GDP and GNP...

No, I know the difference, just mistyped and it was too late to fix it.

jdhdiggs

How about the rest of the post, that a typo as well?

bobman1235

jdhdiggs wrote: »

How about the rest of the post, that a typo as well?

Awesome.

concealer404

jdhdiggs wrote: »

How about the rest of the post, that a typo as well?

Epic.

Ricardo

jdhdiggs wrote: »

How about the rest of the post, that a typo as well?

Ouch.

concealer404

And the whole not being able to edit situation rears it's ugly head....

treitz3

I thought that was being addressed?