LSI owners your speakers suck!

ben62670

Well they do stock any way;)
Jerry and I just did an upgrade to the LSI15's, and what a difference. I always thought that the "smooth mids" sounded muddy, and the top was just lacking. Well these sound like a whole different set of speakers.




Ben

ben62670

We are looking at his LSIc now.

leroyjr1

are you taking orders?

mmadden28

What was up with that component in the bottom of the second pic? Looked like it was fried.

ben62670

You want them done I can do. The parts are around $225
Sonicaps
2 8ufs
2 10ufs
2 12ufs
Dayton
2 40 ufs
2 90 ufs
6 mills 2r 12w
2 mills 3r5 12w

You would not believe the difference over stock. I have always come home to the vintage speakers, but these really have impressed me. Whenever I have heard the LSI's before I have been fairly disappointed. They just felt like they were lacking in the punch, and the highs didn't have the sustain in cymbal hits. These caps are brand new. It's only going to get better. These things sound so much bigger. You guys can do this yourself. I will warn you that this upgrade is harder than the older XO's. The hot glue they used sticks like mad. Also the caps are mounted on the same side as the printed circuit. YOU MUST BE REAL CAREFUL not to peel the cooper traces off the board when removing the caps.
Ben

ben62670

mmadden28 wrote: »

What was up with that component in the bottom of the second pic? Looked like it was fried.

The LSI's are known for burning out the resistor in series with the tweeter. The LSI tweets are 4ohms and run a lot of currant through them.

nikolas812

Would that be the same parts list for a pair of lsi9's?





Nick

ben62670

Nope. The nines are so much cheaper to do. I can't get the exact numbers off the PDF, but its much much cheaper.
Ben

mmadden28

Holy crap that Dayton looks like a soup can. :eek:

mmadden28

ben62670 wrote: »

Nope. The nines are so much cheaper to do. I can't get the exact numbers off the PDF, but its much much cheaper.
Ben

Same kind of improvement on the 9s?

nikolas812

Ben. If you wouldn't mind. Can you get a parts list together for me? And maybe a price to do them.

Theres no hurry.

But I am curious. I didn't plan on keeping the nines. And I still don't. But I may have them a little longer than I anticipated. I plan on selling the nines and upgrading to some Emerald Physics. But it might be a little while before I can afford to do that. So in the mean time I might try out you upgrade.

Let me know.


Thanks


Nick

mmadden28

nikolas812 wrote: »

Ben. If you wouldn't mind. Can you get a parts list together for me?....

Yes please post--I'd like that too, but more for DIY-:cool: ....the shipping charges alone.....:eek: I think I'll be hanging on to my 9s for years to come.:D

nikolas812

Ben I just reread you post and noticed you said you couldn't get the exact values from the PDF for the nines.

Do you need me to pull the crossover on mine to get the values? Or is it even possible to see the values if I pull the crossover?


Nick

ben62670

If you could that would be very helpful. I don't have 9's, but others (mmadden)sure could use the info. The improvement all across the board is substantial; not just "oh yeah its better". It sounds much louder too. I attribute this to the resistors not impeding the flow to the drivers.
Ben

I plan on selling the nines and upgrading to some Emerald Physics

I would seriously try the upgrade first.

nikolas812

The next chance I get I will pull them and see what I can find.

The rig is down right now while financing a new pre so there just sittin here.

It might take a couple days before I can get to them but when I do I'll let you know. I might need your help identifying.




Nick

nikolas812

ben62670 wrote: »

I would seriously try the upgrade first.

It looks like I will because I won't be able to afford them for about six months.

So in the six months I'll upgrade the nines and see what is does. But my guess is upgrade or no upgrade the nines couldn't even compare to the Emeralds. Apples and oranges IMO.



Nick

ben62670

anonymouse wrote: »

How the hell did you mount those Dayton's to replace the tiny electrolytics?

Two wires;) In pic 3 you can see where C3 was. Just to the right are two 16ga black wires(silver of coarse(I am such a dork)). The XO is so low in the case that the two piggy backed caps are residing on the bottom wrapped in some material to prevent them from bouncing. There is no way to mount them on the board. If you are going to do this mod I strongly suggest getting some 1/4 to 1/2" closed cell foam to wrap those big cans. Another serious tip is to push the cap's legs all the way trough the board, and bend them for support. The green boards are not up to the task of supporting big caps! Of all the mods I have done this has been the most improvement yet from one upgrade.
Ben

ben62670

This is a must do. Seriously.

jerryj12

THANKS BEN. I cant believe how good the LSi's sound now!!!!! Jaw dropping is an understatement.

ben62670

I am happy. Now just try getting them ouyt of my house:D

jerryj12

I will have to trailer with me so we can put your set and mine in it. That should free up allot of space for you.:):eek:

ben62670

Dude your $hit sounds so good.... Is your phone off?
Edit: I am a freak when it comes to chasing recordings, but these sound so big, and nice that I can listen to my recordings that I refused to on mine!
Edit Edit. You are the one guy I would let take my babies;) Load them up!

ben62670

Hey guys sreiously you hav e to do this. I am listening to Lynda Rondstat with serious woood here. May be its the Jack Daniels, biut-trjkoadsfadsl;kjklsdrfnq;ee4qo;htiohdfasig Damns

nikolas812

I guess the party don't ever stop at Bens?

Um last post at 5:15 a.m. while hittin the Jack Daniels.:eek:

Rock on Ben.:D





Nick

ben62670

Come over!
When I can't stop with good tunes....

Systems

ben62670 wrote: »

I can't get the exact numbers off the PDF,

Who proof read that fine document before posting it?:eek:

ben62670 wrote: »

It sounds much louder too. I attribute this to the resistors not impeding the flow to the drivers.

Thus the reason they are called resistors.;):D

polkatese

Ben, this is cool stuff. Mind posting the detail steps to do this along with gotcha/not to do, etc.? thanks.

SolidSqual

ben62670 wrote: »

If you could that would be very helpful. I don't have 9's, but others (mmadden)sure could use the info. The improvement all across the board is substantial; not just "oh yeah its better". It sounds much louder too. I attribute this to the resistors not impeding the flow to the drivers.
Ben


I would seriously try the upgrade first.

Nik,

Not to bash the LSi9s, but I am hard pressed to think a cap upgrade can produce even close to what my Emmys are capable of doing. Also, I know how you upgrade. You are gonna sell the Lsi9s even after they are modded. Get what you want, don't just try to put a bandage over it. Why not just sell them and save the money towards the Emmys or that CD player.

Mike

Mike

Face

Ben,
Just curious, what's was the associated gear for the comparison? I may be doing this upgrade for a friend soon. I wonder if I can talk him into some Mundorfs though.

Nick,
I say go for it. It's going to take you a little while to save up for the Emmy's, so you may as well make the 9's even more enjoyable till that time comes.

ben62670

Face wrote: »

Ben,
Just curious, what's was the associated gear for the comparison? I may be doing this upgrade for a friend soon. I wonder if I can talk him into some Mundorfs though.

Nick,
I say go for it. It's going to take you a little while to save up for the Emmy's, so you may as well make the 9's even more enjoyable till that time comes.

Face

Adcom GFA-585 400wpc@4
Adcom GDA-700 DAC
Sony Transport
Project TT
My home made Pre
My Silver IC's
Generic Speaker cables:o

Nick

Do it. Seriously it's like a new set of speakers. When we were listening to Diana Krall when she hit certain notes on the piano you could hear the snare drums strings vibrating. Little stuff like that plus the "big sound" from the speakers you get make it worth it. I am pretty sure the 9's would be much cheaper to do.

Ben

m00npie

Face wrote: »

I may be doing this upgrade for a friend soon. I wonder if I can talk him into some Mundorfs though.

I thought the first upgrade was on you....