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  • Sami
    Sami Posts: 4,634
    edited July 2008
    http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract;jsessionid=A4CB9A6C87CE948C62FE9F2CDAB69AF6.tomcat1?fromPage=online&aid=1072848
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  • MikeC78
    MikeC78 Posts: 2,315
    edited July 2008
    Sami wrote: »
    So I take it you don't have your stereo on while you drive.

    Sami-

    Don't want to start an arguement... However, it is very dangerous to be driving with headphones on and I'm sure it's also illegal in most states. People really need to be aware of their surroundings and be able to hear what the heck is going on around them.
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  • michael_w
    michael_w Posts: 2,813
    edited July 2008
    Would that not depend on the helmet you wear? I can see it being much worse with an open faced helmet versus a full face with a visor down.

    I didn't even know there was a 250 version of the Ninja. It's like a high end scooter on steroids and with an msrp of $3500 makes it pretty affordable to get into actual riding.
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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited July 2008
    I would be afraid to wear ear plugs. Even if they filtered out the engine sound and let other things through it sounds bad because you would want to hear other engines around you if possible. Doesn't a helmet also block a lot of sound?
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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited July 2008
    dkg999 wrote: »
    Someone call Dr f'ing Phil because I think I'm feeling like I need a hug, and that wouldn't fit the image my choice of motorcycle has thrust upon my life :(
    Sorry, group hug everyone. :)
    I really do like the machinery harley puts out. All that chrome and fine craftsmanship, not to mention the cool assed motors, riding position with the feet up in the front. Nothing like it since the original. Actually, out of the 30 or so bikes in our "bike parking spaces" at work that I look at every day I have to say my favorite is an old restored 1200 with the single spedometer pod and the old green flat paint. Not much chrome, kinda old style. Looks like it is still on the show room but I know it must be a really old classic. A bit of an understated look but full of performance.
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  • bobman1235
    bobman1235 Posts: 10,822
    edited July 2008
    On one hand, we have the slight chance of hearing loss (which despite the paper to the contrary I"m SERIOUSLY doubting the validity of, considering how many old bikers I know who aren't at all impaired).

    On the other hand, we have increased risk of being KILLED because you can't hear anything around you.

    Personally, I'd rather be alive and half deaf. But that's just me, your mileage may vary. Feel free to choose getting crushed into the pavement.
    If you will it, dude, it is no dream.
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  • Demiurge
    Demiurge Posts: 10,874
    edited July 2008
    Sami wrote: »
    So I take it you don't have your stereo on while you drive.

    Listening to music on a car stereo != wearing headphones or earplugs. Unless you're listening at obscene levels, the car stereo isn't going to block out ambient sounds like ambulances and police cars coming towards an intersection.

    There's a reason it's illegal most places.
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  • bigaudiofanatic
    bigaudiofanatic Posts: 4,415
    edited July 2008
    MikeC78 wrote: »
    Sami-

    Don't want to start an arguement... However, it is very dangerous to be driving with headphones on and I'm sure it's also illegal in most states. People really need to be aware of their surroundings and be able to hear what the heck is going on around them.

    O i forgot we are on a audio forum. THEY ARE NOT music headphones. There ones to dampen how much noise you hear like wind noise.
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  • dkg999
    dkg999 Posts: 5,647
    edited July 2008
    Just wear a real helmet (ie 3/4 or full face) and you won't have to worry about wind noise or any impact on your hearing.
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  • exalted512
    exalted512 Posts: 10,735
    edited July 2008
    dkg999 wrote: »
    you won't have to worry about ... any impact on your hearing.

    or your face.
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  • MikeC78
    MikeC78 Posts: 2,315
    edited July 2008
    bigaudiofanatic wrote: »
    O i forgot we are on a audio forum. THEY ARE NOT music headphones. There ones to dampen how much noise you hear like wind noise.

    WTF??:confused: The ones we were talking about are music headphones, go back, re-read and comprehend.
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  • Ricardo
    Ricardo Posts: 10,636
    edited July 2008
    madmax, see what you did???? Now people are fighting over headphones vs ear plugs....all because you wanted to buy a motorcycle.
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  • bobman1235
    bobman1235 Posts: 10,822
    edited July 2008
    What's the differencE? Anything stuck in your ear that keeps you from hearing things around you. I don't care if it plays music, sings you a lullaby, or does nothing at all, it impairs your ability to use your ears to detect potential danger.

    It's your life, do what you want, but don't go advising others to do the same.
    If you will it, dude, it is no dream.
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited July 2008
    Ricardo wrote:
    madmax, see what you did???? Now people are fighting over headphones vs ear plugs....all because you wanted to buy a motorcycle.

    And on top of that....now he is NOT buying a motorcycle! What a troublemaker...:rolleyes:
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  • Sami
    Sami Posts: 4,634
    edited July 2008
    dkg999 wrote: »
    Just wear a real helmet (ie 3/4 or full face) and you won't have to worry about wind noise or any impact on your hearing.

    Not true, the hearing damage is still there with a helmet as well. And it's very real. This is an audio forum so I thought it was important to mention.

    As for being safe, I guess driving my 7-series is unsafe as well since I can hear as much outside as I can with on a motorcycle with ear plugs on. With a 20-30dB attenuation I can still hear what I need to hear.

    Yes, earplugs. I don't know where headphones came into discussion.

    p.s. Just don't come and tell you can hear a difference between cables if you ride motorcycles without hearing protection...then we know you're lying... :p
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  • Sami
    Sami Posts: 4,634
    edited July 2008
    MikeC78 wrote: »
    WTF??:confused: The ones we were talking about are music headphones, go back, re-read and comprehend.

    This is the original post:

    "Whatever bike you buy, don't forget to buy lots of earplugs."
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  • bobman1235
    bobman1235 Posts: 10,822
    edited July 2008
    Sami wrote: »
    As for being safe, I guess driving my 7-series is unsafe as well since I can hear as much outside as I can with on a motorcycle with ear plugs on.

    You also have a giant steel cage around you to protect you if someone plows into you. It's not quite as important to have all of your senses at their max efficiency.
    If you will it, dude, it is no dream.
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  • MikeC78
    MikeC78 Posts: 2,315
    edited July 2008
    Sami wrote: »
    This is the original post:

    "Whatever bike you buy, don't forget to buy lots of earplugs."

    Yes, but I was going off post #91. No matter which way you look at it, it's most likely highly illegal regardless.

    Bobman couldn't of said it any better...
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  • Poee7R
    Poee7R Posts: 904
    edited July 2008
    No earplugs for me. Part of the experience is the sound of the wind/engine.

    And yes I can hear differences in cables so nany, nany.


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  • Ricardo
    Ricardo Posts: 10,636
    edited July 2008
    Ha. As if a piece of wire could have any impact on the sound :rolleyes::rolleyes:
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  • Frank840
    Frank840 Posts: 262
    edited July 2008
    I havent read all the post you may want to look at the Honda f4 or maybe a 600rr. if you are worry about to much bike or something lay off the throttle ;) althought it is hard once you get comfortable on it. also they cost a little bit more (get them used f4 for about 4800 amd 600rr for about 5500) they are well know for handling over most bikes. also size wise i am 6'4 and can fit on these bikes

    and the Biggest Thing I would worry about is someone stealling your bike get LOWJack. seriously

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  • Sami
    Sami Posts: 4,634
    edited July 2008
    Poee7R wrote: »
    No earplugs for me. Part of the experience is the sound of the wind/engine.

    And yes I can hear differences in cables so nany, nany.

    Liar, liar, pants on fire. ;)

    Whatever you do while riding your bike is up to you, I'm not here to argue that. A new bike owner however needs to know that riding without hearing protection will destroy your hearing. It's a fact, not fiction, and it's only a matter of time. If you ride short 10min commutes to work its different than if you go for 4-5h joyride doing 70-**** mph.
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  • Sami
    Sami Posts: 4,634
    edited July 2008
    MikeC78 wrote: »
    Yes, but I was going off post #91. No matter which way you look at it, it's most likely highly illegal regardless.

    Many states prohibit the use of audio device on both of your ears, including cellular handsfree. At least some of them allow hearing protection. I couldn't care less if it is illegal or not.
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  • Demiurge
    Demiurge Posts: 10,874
    edited July 2008
    Bubble people will be the bane of our existence.
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  • exalted512
    exalted512 Posts: 10,735
    edited July 2008
    Frank840 wrote: »
    the Biggest Thing I would worry about is someone stealling your bike get LOWJack. seriously

    Frank

    lojack is okay, but there are better GPS locators out there. a quick google search will reveil a few. i dont have any thing on my bike, but i did quite a bit of research and it was the general consensus that there are 2-3 systems out there better than lojack.

    But, i havent had anything so its just heresay. but i do know quite a bit about 12V alarms and gps locators, just no experience with the 2 wheel versions.
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  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,536
    edited July 2008
    Umm, ok. Those of you saying ear plugs would make it so you can't hear, therefore making them unsafe? Am I catching that right?

    You have obviously never ridden a motorcycle for any length of time. Anything above 35mph, the wind blast prevents you from hearing anything. Now, on a sportbike, if you get fully behind the windscreen, you can hear your motor purring away--but not much else. I have a full-face hemlet, even with that on, I have ear-piercing wind blast in the helmet at highway speeds. Ear plugs are fine...you ride with your eyes, not your ears. That's why there's 2 round reflective thingies on your handle bars.
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  • bigaudiofanatic
    bigaudiofanatic Posts: 4,415
    edited July 2008
    dkg999 wrote: »
    Just wear a real helmet (ie 3/4 or full face) and you won't have to worry about wind noise or any impact on your hearing.

    I wear a real helmet a shoei rf-1000 strife tc-2. full face helmet. I love it. Not those skull caps.
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    I like dragons if you are wondering why I got that design.
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  • Sami
    Sami Posts: 4,634
    edited July 2008
    steveinaz wrote: »
    You have obviously never ridden a motorcycle for any length of time. Anything above 35mph, the wind blast prevents you from hearing anything.

    Steve, I see you have a trend of being correct all the time. :)
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  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,536
    edited July 2008
    With 20+ years riding experience, ZERO accidents, ZERO tickets and have thrown a leg over everything form a 50cc to an 1690cc, I think I might have some valuable input.
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  • Sami
    Sami Posts: 4,634
    edited July 2008
    steveinaz wrote: »
    With 20+ years riding experience, ZERO accidents, ZERO tickets and have thrown a leg over everything form a 250cc to an 1690cc, I think I might have some valuable input.

    20+ here too, I got my first 1st when I was 14, from 50cc to 1400cc. Maybe some day I will lay my bike down (no tickets either), but so far so good. If I ever drop my bike, that'll be the first and last time, if I'm lucky enough to make that decision.

    Do not believe it is necessary to drop the bike at some point, I know plenty of people who have been riding for years and haven't done it.
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