Buying a GM, what will happen.....

LessisNevermore

shack wrote: »

No but the unions were/are key factors in the decline of those industries.



I am very familiar with unions over and above the ones I mentioned. They are however some of the worst.



I'm perfectly fine with non-union nuclear workers and in fact I prefer them. I find competetive firms do not take any more shortcuts and provide better service overall than union shops. Unions as a whole foster mediocracy IMO and are socialistic by their very nature.

I would NEVER join a labor union under ANY circumstance.

I stand by my opinion of unions as stated.

Mediocrity must explain why we continually set performance records in the nuclear industry, for speed reliability, and safety. Our safety record is unparalleled in the industry.

I have worked for some non-union outfits, outside the nuke industry. They have junk for tools (all of them) this includes safety related items, like harnesses and rigging, strangely, most are from the south where the wages are low. Their attitudes were piss-poor, you are not treated like a grown, skilled adult. They have no formal training in their trade, and the shoddy work they insist on is inexcusable.

At least on a union jobsite, you are assumed competent, until you prove yourself otherwise. The contractors know, we receive extensive, continual training and certification. Can the non-union companies promise this? No.

I won't work outside of a union, ever again. I'll put my skills against a non-union Millwright/Technical Engineer ANY day of the week and twice on Sunday. (double-time day:p)

madmax

I like the idea that in a union you work up a step at a time and get a little protection against discrimination for whatever reason. I like non-union atmospheres because someone who shows some real upward mobility can be put in a better position without having to wait through the people who have been there longer or worked towards the position.

Both types have their own benifits. I think in huge companies unions are required, otherwise people are taken advantage of. Sure, they can quit but usually in "big company towns" the big company may be the only game for 100 miles.
madmax

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I should add that I was seriously considering an 08 Tacoma even though the dealership is so far away. I drove an 85 4x4 extracab sr5, which I bought brand new, for 17 years.......

The one I was looking at had the 4 cyl. but they don't offer those in the automatic anymore, plus I wanted integrated satellite radio, and I like the Onstar option also. And I just like the convenience of shopping locally and supporting our town, there isn't much left for stores on Main street anymore.....

But hey, if it doesn't work out I can always trade it off for a Tacoma:)

schwarcw

Unions blindly throw their full support behind the democratic party candidates. Why? Mostly because they see big business as their enemy. "What's good for big business, is bad for the working man". Somehow I can't grasp the logic with their support of kooks like Clinton, Gore, Kerry and now Barrack Hussein Obama.

I read the platform the National Teacher's union released at their national convention 10 years ago. None of the 10 major stances had anything to do with education. Most of the points were for social reform, raise taxes for better salaries, same sex marriages, on and on. Not to mention all of the Teamster National presidents from Hoffa, Fitzsimmons, etc. were indited for misusing Teamster funds. And the rack and file overwhelmingly supported the union officials. Even when they loaned pension monies to organized crime.

I have nothing against anyone who does good, hard work. Union leadership leaves a lot to be desired.