Coat hanger for speaker wire

Imperitor
Imperitor Posts: 235
edited September 2008 in Speakers
http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/03/audiophiles-cant-tell-the-difference-between-monster-cable-and/

Interesting...
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Front: RTi10
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Subwoofer: Mirage Omni S10
TV: Sharp Aquos 42" 1080p LCD
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  • the7comeback7ki
    the7comeback7ki Posts: 51
    edited March 2008
    ^^^^^^ love it
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  • devani
    devani Posts: 1,497
    edited March 2008
    not surprised that monster cables are all hype!
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited March 2008
    This is the third time in 2 days this has been posted.
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  • Imperitor
    Imperitor Posts: 235
    edited March 2008
    Face wrote: »
    This is the third time in 2 days this has been posted.

    sorry I did not see the others
    7.1 HOME THEATER:
    Center: CSi3
    Front: RTi10
    Surround: RTi A3
    Rear Surround: RTi4
    Subwoofer: Mirage Omni S10
    TV: Sharp Aquos 42" 1080p LCD
    Receiver: Onkyo TX-SR805
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  • jflail2
    jflail2 Posts: 2,868
    edited March 2008
    Interesting post, thx Imperitor. some of us don't have the time to read every frickin post here :rolleyes:, so even if it was a repost it's still much appreciated.
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited March 2008
    Yawn......
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  • Ricardo
    Ricardo Posts: 10,636
    edited March 2008
    Not a good article for Monster.....
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  • BaggedLancer
    BaggedLancer Posts: 6,371
    edited August 2008
    Bump for Ben
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  • candyliquor35m
    candyliquor35m Posts: 2,267
    edited August 2008
    10 ga solid core single strand electrical copper Romex is all I use
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  • wz2p7j
    wz2p7j Posts: 840
    edited September 2008
    Any stress relieved, gold plated, audio optimized coat hanger should beat "Monster" cables. I think I'll start a company - "Coat Hanger Enhanced Applied Production Audio Cables" aka CHEAP audio cables. LOL Chris
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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,205
    edited September 2008
    candyliquor35m wrote: »
    10 ga solid core single strand electrical copper Romex is all I use


    I tired that after talking with this Audiophile who swears by Romex as speaker wire.

    I got nothing to add.

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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,813
    edited September 2008
    mantis wrote: »
    I tired that after talking with this Audiophile who swears by Romex as speaker wire.

    I got nothing to add.

    Dan

    Hehe....
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  • BaggedLancer
    BaggedLancer Posts: 6,371
    edited September 2008
    mantis wrote: »
    I tired that after talking with this Audiophile who swears by Romex as speaker wire.

    I got nothing to add.

    Dan

    Well, tell us what you subtracted!?!? :p
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  • candyliquor35m
    candyliquor35m Posts: 2,267
    edited September 2008
    I don't think I'll ever be able to go back to anything else. You lose the bing bang boom but what's left is pure heaven, detail, precision, complete vocal and instrument isolation and separation.
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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    edited September 2008
    candyliquor35m wrote: »
    10 ga solid core single strand electrical copper Romex is all I use


    I have wondered about that since bigger is usually better in speaker wire, but solid has differant electrical characteristics than stranded.

    So, is your post true, or sarcasm?
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited September 2008
    BlueFox wrote: »
    I have wondered about that since bigger is usually better in speaker wire, but solid has differant electrical characteristics than stranded.

    So, is your post true, or sarcasm?

    Read the tags ;)
    None are mine BTW.
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  • candyliquor35m
    candyliquor35m Posts: 2,267
    edited September 2008
    BlueFox wrote: »
    I have wondered about that since bigger is usually better in speaker wire, but solid has differant electrical characteristics than stranded.

    So, is your post true, or sarcasm?

    It's 100% tried, true and tested on 4 pair of sdas. For this much copper in a commercial speaker wire, you'd probably have to pay about $1000.

    The only reason that AQ and other companies break the wire up into 4 or 8 different conductors is to make it more flexible. If they could figure out how to make a single strand solid core 10 ga copper wire as flexible as their 4 and 8 conductor wires, they would do it in a heartbeat.

    They know that fewer strands and/or conductors mean less distortion and a more true and exact signal.
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited September 2008
    If you want to try a quality "solid" cable, here you go: http://www.goertzaudio.com/

    Solid cable is also made by Neotech and is available through Sonic Craft. I use it in my point to point crossovers and cabinet rewires.
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  • PolkThug
    PolkThug Posts: 7,532
    edited September 2008
    Coat hangers sound smoother than Billy Dee Williams cracking open a Colt 45 in Cloud City.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,813
    edited September 2008
    They know that fewer strands and/or conductors mean less distortion and a more true and exact signal.

    That's a bunch of baloney.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,249
    edited September 2008
    candyliquor35m wrote: »
    The only reason that AQ and other companies break the wire up into 4 or 8 different conductors is to make it more flexible. If they could figure out how to make a single strand solid core 10 ga copper wire as flexible as their 4 and 8 conductor wires, they would do it in a heartbeat.
    Yeah, that's the reason.:rolleyes:

    You amaze me. You say this like it's a cold, hard fact. What a crock. You couldn't be further from the truth. Your credibility card just hit an all time low....

    ....if that's even possible.
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  • candyliquor35m
    candyliquor35m Posts: 2,267
    edited September 2008
    F1nut wrote: »
    That's a bunch of baloney.

    why because you said so ROFLOL

    AQ happens to agree with me.

    "Distortion due to both magnetic interaction and from bare strands touching can be dramatically reduced by using Semi-Solid Concentric-Packing. In such a construction the strands are applied in a layer or layers spiraling around a central strand. Each layer is packed perfectly tight, exactly fitting around the strand or layer underneath. The strands in a given layer are uniform and never rise or fall to a different layer. This construction mimics many of the most important attributes of a solid conductor, while maintaining most of the flexibility of a stranded cable. The complete solution is solid conductors."

    quoted from the Cable Theory tab (pdf file) on http://www.audioquest.com
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  • candyliquor35m
    candyliquor35m Posts: 2,267
    edited September 2008
    and here's what they say about silver: "Pure silver is the very best performing material for audio, video or digital. However, if silver is not carefully processed, even low grade copper will sound better. Silver has also earned a confused reputation because sometimes the term “silver” is used to describe silver-plated copper. When carrying an analog audio signal, silver-plated copper causes a very irritating sound, sort of a “tweeter in your face” effect. In a different application, such as video, RF or digital, good silver-plated copper becomes an extraordinary value, out-performing even the highest grades of pure copper."

    and braided: "Braids have good RFI rejection and low inductance, but suffer the consequences of a constantly changing electrical environment for each conductor."
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited September 2008
    Taking a manufacturer's white paper as gospel is being very gullible.
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  • SolidSqual
    SolidSqual Posts: 5,218
    edited September 2008
    I'm very intrigued by the recent posts on this thread. Does anyone know under waht conditions AQ drew their conclusions? Are their conclusions based on physics calculations or real world listening? Afterall, there are times when this hobby makes absolutely no sense on paper. By the same token, AQ is not Monster or Machina Dynamica.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,813
    edited September 2008
    No, it's a bunch of baloney because your track record proves it.

    As for AQ........whatever. Anti-Cables are solid core, worse cables I've ever heard. 10 gauge solid core isn't very hard to bend, so that excuse is out the window. My cables are stranded copper, extremely hard to bend.

    Next!
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

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  • SolidSqual
    SolidSqual Posts: 5,218
    edited September 2008
    F1nut wrote: »
    No, it's a bunch of baloney because your track record proves it.

    As for AQ........whatever. Anti-Cables are solid core, worse cables I've ever heard. 10 gauge solid core isn't very hard to bend, so that excuse is out the window. My cables are stranded copper, extremely hard to bend.

    Next!

    Oh god, I tried a pair of Anti-Cables as well. I don't know how they get good reviews.

    Chalk one up to real world experience.
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  • candyliquor35m
    candyliquor35m Posts: 2,267
    edited September 2008
    F1nut wrote: »
    No, it's a bunch of baloney because your track record proves it.

    As for AQ........whatever. Anti-Cables are solid core, worse cables I've ever heard. 10 gauge solid core isn't very hard to bend, so that excuse is out the window. My cables are stranded copper, extremely hard to bend.

    Next!

    I guess you haven't worked with 10 ga romex lately. I have to use a pliers to get the precise bend needed to fit into the speaker connections on my amps. I could never go back to stranded. Too much bang and boom and distortion.
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  • disneyjoe7
    disneyjoe7 Posts: 11,435
    edited September 2008
    F1nut wrote: »
    Anti-Cables are solid core, worse cables I've ever heard.


    I agree the worst sounding cable I ever heard, it sounded as there where holes in the sound. I can't see Romex sounding any better.

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  • TroyD
    TroyD Posts: 13,093
    edited September 2008
    If anyone has any question on CL35's ignorance when it comes to audio, please, go look at his thread about his Maggie 1.6's. First, they were the greatest thing since sliced bread. Then, they sounded like crap....and he actually posted a picture of his setup. THEN he said he didn't set them up because he couldn't find the manual (apparently he couldn't navigate the Magnepan website either). :rolleyes:


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